On 15/02/2022 13:18, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 15/02/2022 11:54, ColinR wrote:
>> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>
>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>
>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>
>> I am old - to me the capital of China is Peking ....
>>
> And India's financial capital -- Mumbai or Bombay?

Mumbai for the politically correct West; Bombay for the locals.

In message <sug97n$m4p$3@dont-email.me>, at 13:18:47 on Tue, 15 Feb
2022, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:

>>> And Staines has changed to Staines on Thames to make it sound more
>>>interesting.
>>>
>> Or posher?
>
>Believe me, that's a forlorn hope!

Several scurrilous jokes exist, such as people allegedly answering the
phone "Siemens, Staines", and:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/captain-pugwash-double-meanings/
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:01:48 +0000, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk" <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 15/02/2022 00:54, Recliner wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>
>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>>
>>>> They have already altered the TV ads suggesting a country rapidly
>>>> retreating from democracy human rights and religious freedom is the ideal
>>>> place to to spend a few days in the Sun
>>>> Still I expect some will still find Turkiye Delightful .
>>>
>>> With the collapsing Life, at least it should be cheap.
>>>
>>
>> Collapsing Lire, of course!
>>
>Don't forget effectively taking control of the central bank and cutting
>the base rate in the face of rampant inflation.

Yes, that's why it's collapsing. Erdogan frequently sacks or overrules the head of the central bank and forces the
interest rate down. He apparently believes that inflation is best tackled by reducing interest rates, though it may
really be because his religion forbids usury.

<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-19/turkey-s-erdogan-says-islam-demands-lower-rates-and-so-does-he>

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:30:10 +0000, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On 15/02/2022 13:18, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> On 15/02/2022 11:54, ColinR wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>
>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>
>>> I am old - to me the capital of China is Peking ....
>>>
>> And India's financial capital -- Mumbai or Bombay?
>
>Mumbai for the politically correct West; Bombay for the locals.

Similarly with Ho Chi Minh City, which is still Saigon to the locals.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 15/02/2022 13:14, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>
>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>
>>> I am old - to me the capital of China is Peking ....
>>
>> Whatever happened to Byzantium?
>>
>
> The Romans happened.

:-)

Sam

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hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>
>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>
>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>
>> They have already altered the TV ads suggesting a country rapidly
>> retreating from democracy human rights and religious freedom is the ideal
>> place to to spend a few days in the Sun
>> Still I expect some will still find Turkiye Delightful .
>>
>> GH
>>
>
> President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is planning to change the country's
> official name to Türkiye, by the way.
>

Why are you adding that to a post which was about that very subject?
Go back up a few lines and see what the link I posted said.

GH

On 15/02/2022 15:38, Marland wrote:
> hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>
>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>
>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>
>>> They have already altered the TV ads suggesting a country rapidly
>>> retreating from democracy human rights and religious freedom is the ideal
>>> place to to spend a few days in the Sun
>>> Still I expect some will still find Turkiye Delightful .
>>>
>>> GH
>>>
>>
>> President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is planning to change the country's
>> official name to Türkiye, by the way.
>>
>
> Why are you adding that to a post which was about that very subject?
> Go back up a few lines and see what the link I posted said.
>
> GH
>

Mea culpa.

'Realised the mistake after posting.

Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2022 00:38:48 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>
>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>
>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>
>> They have already altered the TV ads suggesting a country rapidly
>> retreating from democracy human rights and religious freedom is the ideal
>> place to to spend a few days in the Sun
>> Still I expect some will still find Turkiye Delightful .
>>
>> GH
> We won a holiday to Instanbul in late 2019. The hotel was fantastic.
> Very luxurious and we couldn't have been better looked after.
> And the city ws a revelation. Even to people who enjoy city breaks and
> have done dozens Istanbul is an outstanding destination with plenty to
> see, good food and friendly people.
> Erdogan is just one of several nasty leaders these days, but Turkey is
> more than just him.
> On that note, perhaps my second-favourite city break was St.
> Petersburg, notwithstanding Putin.
>

What’s Istanbul like for a western female? Genuine question, I’m not trying
to make a point.

Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:07:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>> On 15 Feb 2022 00:38:48 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>
>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>>
>>>> They have already altered the TV ads suggesting a country rapidly
>>>> retreating from democracy human rights and religious freedom is the ideal
>>>> place to to spend a few days in the Sun
>>>> Still I expect some will still find Turkiye Delightful .
>>>>
>>>> GH
>>> We won a holiday to Instanbul in late 2019. The hotel was fantastic.
>>> Very luxurious and we couldn't have been better looked after.
>>> And the city ws a revelation. Even to people who enjoy city breaks and
>>> have done dozens Istanbul is an outstanding destination with plenty to
>>> see, good food and friendly people.
>>> Erdogan is just one of several nasty leaders these days, but Turkey is
>>> more than just him.
>>> On that note, perhaps my second-favourite city break was St.
>>> Petersburg, notwithstanding Putin.
>>>
>>
>> What’s Istanbul like for a western female? Genuine question, I’m not trying
>> to make a point.
>
> I don't know what it would be like for a single woman, but my wife
> found it fine and liked it there as much as I did. Of course she had
> to cover her head when entering a mosque, but they were strict that
> both sexes had to dress modestly there.
> Oddly, wearing a head scarf came naturally to her and it very soon
> looked completely normal.
> But out in the street it's still very western.
>

I've only been there once, and it was quite a few years ago, but I was
struck by how westernised the European side of Istanbul was. You could see
local women in miniskirts walking past mosques. I think it's different on
the Asian side, and very different in Anatolian rural areas.

On 15/02/2022 22:43, Ken wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:07:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>> On 15 Feb 2022 00:38:48 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>
>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>>
>>>> They have already altered the TV ads suggesting a country rapidly
>>>> retreating from democracy human rights and religious freedom is the ideal
>>>> place to to spend a few days in the Sun
>>>> Still I expect some will still find Turkiye Delightful .
>>>>
>>>> GH
>>> We won a holiday to Instanbul in late 2019. The hotel was fantastic.
>>> Very luxurious and we couldn't have been better looked after.
>>> And the city ws a revelation. Even to people who enjoy city breaks and
>>> have done dozens Istanbul is an outstanding destination with plenty to
>>> see, good food and friendly people.
>>> Erdogan is just one of several nasty leaders these days, but Turkey is
>>> more than just him.
>>> On that note, perhaps my second-favourite city break was St.
>>> Petersburg, notwithstanding Putin.
>>>
>>
>> What’s Istanbul like for a western female? Genuine question, I’m not trying
>> to make a point.
>
> I don't know what it would be like for a single woman, but my wife
> found it fine and liked it there as much as I did. Of course she had
> to cover her head when entering a mosque, but they were strict that
> both sexes had to dress modestly there.
> Oddly, wearing a head scarf came naturally to her and it very soon
> looked completely normal.
> But out in the street it's still very western.

I remember, as a child, women had to cover their heads when entering a
catholic church, and the more conservative[1] anglican churches.

[1] High church?

--
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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 15/02/2022 22:43, Ken wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:07:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 15 Feb 2022 00:38:48 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>>>
>>>>> They have already altered the TV ads suggesting a country rapidly
>>>>> retreating from democracy human rights and religious freedom is the ideal
>>>>> place to to spend a few days in the Sun
>>>>> Still I expect some will still find Turkiye Delightful .
>>>>>
>>>>> GH
>>>> We won a holiday to Instanbul in late 2019. The hotel was fantastic.
>>>> Very luxurious and we couldn't have been better looked after.
>>>> And the city ws a revelation. Even to people who enjoy city breaks and
>>>> have done dozens Istanbul is an outstanding destination with plenty to
>>>> see, good food and friendly people.
>>>> Erdogan is just one of several nasty leaders these days, but Turkey is
>>>> more than just him.
>>>> On that note, perhaps my second-favourite city break was St.
>>>> Petersburg, notwithstanding Putin.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What’s Istanbul like for a western female? Genuine question, I’m not trying
>>> to make a point.
>>
>> I don't know what it would be like for a single woman, but my wife
>> found it fine and liked it there as much as I did. Of course she had
>> to cover her head when entering a mosque, but they were strict that
>> both sexes had to dress modestly there.
>> Oddly, wearing a head scarf came naturally to her and it very soon
>> looked completely normal.
>> But out in the street it's still very western.
>
> I remember, as a child, women had to cover their heads when entering a
> catholic church, and the more conservative[1] anglican churches.
>
> [1] High church?

I was waved away from the cathedral in Zagreb when wearing shorts, and
women had to cover bare shoulders. Some Brethren churches may still have a
basket of headscarves at the door for women who have failed to bring their
own. See also the traditional dress of the Bruderhof communities - there’s
one near Hastings, I believe.

Sam

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:16:20 +0000, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk"
<hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 15/02/2022 13:15, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 15/02/2022 13:06, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2022 12:17, Recliner wrote:
>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am old - to me the capital of China is Peking ....
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The latest city to change its spelling is in the news rather more than
>>>> usual lately: Kyiv (Ukrainian: ????).
>>>>
>>> The Ukrainians changed the name of Dnipropetrovsk to simply Dnipro,
>>> following Russia's annexation of Crimea.
>>
>> And Staines has changed to Staines on Thames to make it sound more
>> interesting.
>>
>Or posher?
>
Mankier?

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:18:18 +0000, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk"
<hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 15/02/2022 11:54, ColinR wrote:
>> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>
>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>
>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>
>>
>> I am old - to me the capital of China is Peking ....
>>
>And India's financial capital -- Mumbai or Bombay?
>
Kakamuchee?

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:15:58 +0000, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 14/02/2022 11:18, Recliner wrote:
>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-02-13 17:09:53 +0000, Recliner said:
>>>
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 13/02/2022 15:17, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 12:48, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 11:59, Tweed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you I'm still wondering which of our nearest neighbours it is that
>>>>>>>>>>> we are getting the name wrong. Seems to me the French spell France the
>>>>>>>>>>> same way we do (or vice versa).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think he may be referring to the Republic of Ireland.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They've changed the spelling of Ireland?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The republic styles itself "Ireland", so those of us who refer to the
>>>>>>>> "Republic of Ireland" to disambiguate it from the island of Ireland are,
>>>>>>>> if not wrong, differing from the preference of its government. We've
>>>>>>>> also discussed before the term Éire, which isn't an English word,
>>>>>>>> especially when rendered without the diacritic as Eire. But this is all
>>>>>>>> nit-picking, even about a region where using the wrong terminology can
>>>>>>>> have painful nuances.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This may, or may not, clarify things in your mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/a-republic-in-name-but-constitutional-conundrums-remain-1.170815
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As may this: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Irish_state>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So the wording, Republic of Ireland, is the official description of the
>>>>> State. I don't see what Clank is complaining about.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People here have variously described it as 'Southern Ireland' and Eire,
>>>> neither of which is correct.
>>>
>>> "Southern Ireland" existed, at least on paper, for a breif period in
>>> 1921. The Government of Ireland Act 1920 divided Ireland into "Northern
>>> Ireland" and "Southern Ireland", each being envisaged as devolved self
>>> governing regions, with a governmental structure that matched those of
>>> the Dominions (Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc). Elections were
>>> schedules for June 1921, and all 128 members of the Parliament of
>>> Southern Ireland were returned unopposed, 124 of whom were from Sinn
>>> Fein, who refused to recognise the legitimacy of the Parliament or
>>> Southen Ireland as an entity. Without a quorum of MPs, the parliament
>>> was suspended, and the UK government entered into negotiations that led
>>> to the creation of the Irish Free State with the Anlgo-Irish treaty of
>>> December that year. After the ensuing Irish CIvil War, the Irish Free
>>> State adopted a new constitution in 1937 that formally cut all
>>> remaining legal ties to the UK, and the republic as it exists now was
>>> created. When the rules for Commonwealth membership were altered to
>>> permit Commonwealth Republics (largely to enable India to be a member),
>>> in principle Ireland meets all the criterea for membership, although
>>> there has never been any political will for it to join.
>>>
>>
>> So, more than a century after the very brief use of that name, why do some
>> people still persist in calling it Southern Ireland today? It's not
>> correct, either legally or geographically, and it offends the citizens of
>> that country.
>>
>>
>
>Do they? Apart from this sort of discussion, which crops up in various
>contexts, I've not heard the expression used in anger for many years.
>
Usually ignorance rather than anger. If the speaker is a politician
talking in English then it tends to be mischievous use.

>Neither have I heard English people using Eire,[1]
>
I have; twice in the last week by different people (not
mischievously).

>though I have heard
>the occasional Scot use it he thinks he's being clever because it is the
>one word of Gaelic
>
<cough!>
Gaeilge
</cough!>
The Gaelic for Ireland is Èirinn.

>he knows.
^^^ doesn't? ;-)
>
>[]1Mainy because none of them are quite sure how to pronounce it.
>
>Apropos of absolutely nothing at all, my mother's family hails from Cork.

On 17/02/2022 00:33, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:15:58 +0000, Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 14/02/2022 11:18, Recliner wrote:
>>> Bob <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-02-13 17:09:53 +0000, Recliner said:
>>>>
>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 15:17, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 12:48, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 11:59, Tweed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you I'm still wondering which of our nearest neighbours it is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> we are getting the name wrong. Seems to me the French spell France the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same way we do (or vice versa).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think he may be referring to the Republic of Ireland.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They've changed the spelling of Ireland?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The republic styles itself "Ireland", so those of us who refer to the
>>>>>>>>> "Republic of Ireland" to disambiguate it from the island of Ireland are,
>>>>>>>>> if not wrong, differing from the preference of its government. We've
>>>>>>>>> also discussed before the term Éire, which isn't an English word,
>>>>>>>>> especially when rendered without the diacritic as Eire. But this is all
>>>>>>>>> nit-picking, even about a region where using the wrong terminology can
>>>>>>>>> have painful nuances.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This may, or may not, clarify things in your mind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/a-republic-in-name-but-constitutional-conundrums-remain-1.170815
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As may this: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Irish_state>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the wording, Republic of Ireland, is the official description of the
>>>>>> State. I don't see what Clank is complaining about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People here have variously described it as 'Southern Ireland' and Eire,
>>>>> neither of which is correct.
>>>>
>>>> "Southern Ireland" existed, at least on paper, for a breif period in
>>>> 1921. The Government of Ireland Act 1920 divided Ireland into "Northern
>>>> Ireland" and "Southern Ireland", each being envisaged as devolved self
>>>> governing regions, with a governmental structure that matched those of
>>>> the Dominions (Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc). Elections were
>>>> schedules for June 1921, and all 128 members of the Parliament of
>>>> Southern Ireland were returned unopposed, 124 of whom were from Sinn
>>>> Fein, who refused to recognise the legitimacy of the Parliament or
>>>> Southen Ireland as an entity. Without a quorum of MPs, the parliament
>>>> was suspended, and the UK government entered into negotiations that led
>>>> to the creation of the Irish Free State with the Anlgo-Irish treaty of
>>>> December that year. After the ensuing Irish CIvil War, the Irish Free
>>>> State adopted a new constitution in 1937 that formally cut all
>>>> remaining legal ties to the UK, and the republic as it exists now was
>>>> created. When the rules for Commonwealth membership were altered to
>>>> permit Commonwealth Republics (largely to enable India to be a member),
>>>> in principle Ireland meets all the criterea for membership, although
>>>> there has never been any political will for it to join.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, more than a century after the very brief use of that name, why do some
>>> people still persist in calling it Southern Ireland today? It's not
>>> correct, either legally or geographically, and it offends the citizens of
>>> that country.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Do they? Apart from this sort of discussion, which crops up in various
>> contexts, I've not heard the expression used in anger for many years.
>>
> Usually ignorance rather than anger. If the speaker is a politician
> talking in English then it tends to be mischievous use.
>
>> Neither have I heard English people using Eire,[1]
>>
> I have; twice in the last week by different people (not
> mischievously).
>
>> though I have heard
>> the occasional Scot use it he thinks he's being clever because it is the
>> one word of Gaelic
>>
> <cough!>
> Gaeilge
> </cough!>
> The Gaelic for Ireland is Èirinn.
>
>> he knows.
> ^^^ doesn't? ;-)

Thanks for making my point.

--
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Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:16:20 +0000, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk"
> <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 15/02/2022 13:15, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2022 13:06, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>> On 15/02/2022 12:17, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>>>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am old - to me the capital of China is Peking ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The latest city to change its spelling is in the news rather more than
>>>>> usual lately: Kyiv (Ukrainian: ????).
>>>>>
>>>> The Ukrainians changed the name of Dnipropetrovsk to simply Dnipro,
>>>> following Russia's annexation of Crimea.
>>>
>>> And Staines has changed to Staines on Thames to make it sound more
>>> interesting.
>>>
>> Or posher?
>>
> Mankier?

Manc or Mancunian, please.

Sam

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:51:25 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
<ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 13:16:20 +0000, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk"
>> <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/02/2022 13:15, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> On 15/02/2022 13:06, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 15/02/2022 12:17, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 00:38, Marland wrote:
>>>>>>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not clear cut as North Cyprus as a distinct nation state is only
>>>>>>>>> recognised by a few other countries (maybe only Turkey?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keep up at the back there , Turkey is now out of favour,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am old - to me the capital of China is Peking ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The latest city to change its spelling is in the news rather more than
>>>>>> usual lately: Kyiv (Ukrainian: ????).
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Ukrainians changed the name of Dnipropetrovsk to simply Dnipro,
>>>>> following Russia's annexation of Crimea.
>>>>
>>>> And Staines has changed to Staines on Thames to make it sound more
>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>> Or posher?
>>>
>> Mankier?
>
>Manc or Mancunian, please.
>
I can confirm that mankiness is more evident in Staines than
Manciness.