On 15/07/2023 4:35 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Maybe, but if I was looking to buy a used Levorg and looked at yours
>> I'd give it a miss based on it's service history and a lack of any
>> manufacturer updates ever having been applied.
>>
>
> **I should mention this: When I purchased the Levorg, I resolved to have
> the first and last service performed by the dealer. The first, so I
> could judge how they performed and the costs. The last, so I could
> request any and all updates to the electronics. As it happened, the
> first service was a cluster-fuck by the dealer. I was completely
> unimpressed by their performance, price and attitude. The dealer shut
> down, before the end of my warranty period and I asked the local dealer
> about electronics updates. They explained that the only updates were to
> the maps and the cost was several hundred Dollars. Fuck that.

Again, that's a very typical Subaru experience and there are many who
are nothing like that.

At the end of the day such things are something the average car buyer
should look into *before* making their choice.

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Noddy.

Daryl wrote:
> On 15/7/2023 3:16 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 15/07/2023 2:26 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 15/7/2023 2:18 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 15/07/2023 12:58 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 15/7/2023 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/07/2023 9:20 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/7/2023 5:32 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/07/2023 4:12 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Had the Outback serviced yesterday and get a call to say that
>>>>>>>>> my wiper blades are streaking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In January the same thing had happened and I declined having
>>>>>>>>> them replaced as they were still okay as far as I was concerned.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Drove to Victoria in late March through a fair bit of rain
>>>>>>>>> some of which was torrential. By the time I got down there the
>>>>>>>>> wipers were starting to grab so I went the the local Subaru
>>>>>>>>> dealer and paid the extortion to have them replaced. It was
>>>>>>>>> raining a fair bit so it made sense to get it done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cue the call yesterday and I said to the service advisor that
>>>>>>>>> they replaced in April, I have the receipt, if they are faulty
>>>>>>>>> now replace them under warranty as they should last longer
>>>>>>>>> than 3 months...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Get there to pick up the car to be advised that they decided
>>>>>>>>> to "lubricate" the blades and I should see how they go....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Battery terminals have corrosion on them after the service and
>>>>>>>>> no sign of any lubricant on those. What am I paying them for....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **First question: Why on Earth would you have your car serviced
>>>>>>>> by a dealer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had my Subie's first service at the dealer. It was the last
>>>>>>>> service I would allow them to do on the car. My regular
>>>>>>>> mechanic performs a handbook service at around $140.00 less.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be suspicious of that low price,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Why? I've been using the same mechanic for more than 20 years.
>>>>>> He has never steered me wrong. He does the service by the book,
>>>>>> has the car ready when he says so. He even takes me to the
>>>>>> nearest railway station and picks me up. The Subaru dealer lost
>>>>>> my key thingy and kept me waiting for more than an hour, while
>>>>>> their incompetent employees searched for it. FWIW: My key is
>>>>>> encased in a nice, non slip silicone rubber thing, which makes it
>>>>>> easy to pick from all the other, identical, Subaru keys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the maths, add the price of the oil, filter and one hours labor
>>>>> to do the job thoroughly, dealers labour rate is around $150 ph,
>>>>> independents less but still around $100, even if yours charges
>>>>> $80ph one hour plus parts cost more than $140, he can't be
>>>>> spending much time if he's only charging $140.00
>>>>
>>>> **I never made such a claim. Read what I wrote.
>>>
>>> "My regular mechanic performs a handbook service at around $140.00
>>> less"
>>> That is a direct quote from your post, what else could the above
>>> possibly mean?
>>
>> **And, when placed in context, it is obvious to anyone that my
>> regular mechanic performs a handbook service for $140.00 less than
>> the dealer service. Read the context.
>
> That makes sense now but your post was rather vague:-)
>

no it wasn't.

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On 15/7/2023 5:25 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 3:37 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 15/07/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> I had my Subie's first service at the dealer. It was the last
>>>> service I would allow them to do on the car. My regular mechanic
>>>> performs a handbook service at around $140.00 less. My wiper blades
>>>> are coming up for 6 years old and they are in perfect nick. I reckon
>>>> you are being taken for a ride.
>>>
>>> Maybe, but if I was looking to buy a used Levorg and looked at yours
>>> I'd give it a miss based on it's service history and a lack of any
>>> manufacturer updates ever having been applied.
>>
>> **When I spoke to the dealer about updates to my Levorg, the only
>> matter they could update were the maps. And, despite being within
>> warranty, they wanted to charge me $350.00 for that service. Fuck
>> that. I'll use my 'phone. I did go to the dealer for a recall though.
>
> That's Subaru for you, and to be honest they have one of the most
> cuntiest reputations in the car servicing business. Others are very
> different.
>
>
Surprised that they told him that though because when our Subbies were
relatively new and serviced by the dealer it was rare for them to come
back without some sort of update, for some reason it was especially
noticeable with the Forester, I could always tell that after a service
it drove slightly differently.

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On 15/7/2023 5:28 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 4:35 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 15/07/2023 2:32 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Maybe, but if I was looking to buy a used Levorg and looked at yours
>>> I'd give it a miss based on it's service history and a lack of any
>>> manufacturer updates ever having been applied.
>>>
>>
>> **I should mention this: When I purchased the Levorg, I resolved to
>> have the first and last service performed by the dealer. The first, so
>> I could judge how they performed and the costs. The last, so I could
>> request any and all updates to the electronics. As it happened, the
>> first service was a cluster-fuck by the dealer. I was completely
>> unimpressed by their performance, price and attitude. The dealer shut
>> down, before the end of my warranty period and I asked the local
>> dealer about electronics updates. They explained that the only updates
>> were to the maps and the cost was several hundred Dollars. Fuck that.
>
> Again, that's a very typical Subaru experience and there are many who
> are nothing like that.
>
> At the end of the day such things are something the average car buyer
> should look into *before* making their choice.
>
>
Good advice, should be able to find online reviews about dealers and car
brands, they aren't always 100% accurate but you can get a general idea.

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 3:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/07/2023 3:05 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 15/07/2023 2:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> I will still use my mechanic. He is exceptional.
>>>>
>>>> If I remember correctly you have mentioned some comments around
>>>> here in the past that you claimed came directly from your mechanic
>>>> which gave question to their ability. I can't remember what they
>>>> were now, but they certainly raised some eyebrows.
>>>
>>> **Nope. You're dreaming.
>>
>> Yeah, I don't think so. As I said, I can't recall what the specific
>> comments were, but there was more than one occasion where you quoted
>> advice from your mechanic which was ridiculous. Whether you quoted
>> him verbatim or whether you fucked it up in the translation I can't
>> tell you. But what you claimed here was complete rubbish, and it
>> wasn't just me who thought so :)
>
> **Well, until you cite those words you claim, I will ignore what you
> are saying.

it's always a good idea to ignore what he says

>
>>
>>   > He is an exceptional mechanic, with very loyal
>>> customers and a very good reputation:
>>>
>>> https://www.autoguru.com.au/s/premier-car-repairs
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=premier+car+repairs&bshm=lbse/1
>>>
>>>
>>> Check the reviews. It is highly unlikely he has managed to fake them
>>> all.
>>
>> And I made no suggestion that he did. What I said was that if he was
>> fucking you over you wouldn't be able to tell.
>
> **After one or two services, maybe. After 20+ years of regular
> servicing and repair of my cars, not a snowball's chance in Hell.
>
>>
>>   > Besides which, I've used plenty of mechanics of the years. I reckon
>>> I know how to spot a good one. Chris is a VERY good mechanic. And,
>>> FWIW, his father is a retired mechanic, who pops in to help when
>>> things get busy.
>>
>> That's nice. Irrelevant to anything in particular, but nice just the
>> same :)
>
> **Sure is. His dad is, apparently, brilliant with those older cars.
> Not that Chris is any slouch though.
>
>>
>>>> At the end of the day if you're happy with the guy then that's all
>>>> that matters, but whether he was fucking you over or not is
>>>> something that you would have absolutely no idea about.
>>>
>>> **I am confident in my ability to spot a bad mechanic.
>>
>> I'm sure you are. But based on the comments that you've made in here
>> in the past I'm *equally* confident that your appraisal of your own
>> ability is massively over estimated.
>
> **Huh?
>
>>
>>> I've used a few in the past. They usually fuck up at some time. In
>>> more than 20 years Chris has never put a foot wrong with any of my
>>> cars. Not once. A remarkable achievement.
>>
>> For fuck's sake Trev. He's a mechanic. Not a fighter pilot. There is
>> nothing "remarkable" about doing a job you're supposed to be a
>> specialist at.
>
> **People fuck up. Most people fuck up some of the time. Chris has
> never managed to fuck up a repair or service to one of my cars. Not
> once. That is a pretty damned good record.
>
>>
>>   > Even more remarkable, when I needed to have the
>>> computers reset, he did the job for free. Only took him 15 minutes,
>>> but he did use a $12,000.00 OBD-II device to accomplish the job. He
>>> could have easily have charged me and I would have been happy to
>>> pay, since my local Subaru dealer quoted me $150.00 and 2 hours to
>>> do the job. Chris did it for free, while I waited.
>>
>> Once again, I would question your ability in telling a good mechanic
>> from a bad one. Not that I'm casting any aspersions over your
>> mechanic. I don't know the guy, have never met him or ever seen any
>> of his work in order to be able to hold an informed opinion about his
>> ability one way or the other. But the stuff you've mentioned here in
>> this post alone is normal "run of the mill" routine stuff that
>> happens in workshops around the country every single day, and if you
>> genuinely think it's "remarkable" then I'm quite convinced that you
>> couldn't tell horse shit from coconut muesli when it came to picking
>> a good mechanic from a bad one.
>>
>> As I said, if you're happy with him then that's all that matters.
>
> **Uh-huh.
>
>

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On 15/7/2023 5:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 15/07/2023 3:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 15/07/2023 3:05 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 15/07/2023 2:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I will still use my mechanic. He is exceptional.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I remember correctly you have mentioned some comments around
>>>>> here in the past that you claimed came directly from your mechanic
>>>>> which gave question to their ability. I can't remember what they
>>>>> were now, but they certainly raised some eyebrows.
>>>>
>>>> **Nope. You're dreaming.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I don't think so. As I said, I can't recall what the specific
>>> comments were, but there was more than one occasion where you quoted
>>> advice from your mechanic which was ridiculous. Whether you quoted
>>> him verbatim or whether you fucked it up in the translation I can't
>>> tell you. But what you claimed here was complete rubbish, and it
>>> wasn't just me who thought so :)
>>
>> **Well, until you cite those words you claim, I will ignore what you
>> are saying.
>
> it's always a good idea to ignore what he says
>
Ignore anything Darren says on the basis it's an extremely high
probability that it's all lies, lies and more lies. He has form!

>>
>>>
>>>   > He is an exceptional mechanic, with very loyal
>>>> customers and a very good reputation:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.autoguru.com.au/s/premier-car-repairs
>>>>
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=premier+car+repairs&bshm=lbse/1
>>>>
>>>> Check the reviews. It is highly unlikely he has managed to fake them
>>>> all.
>>>
>>> And I made no suggestion that he did. What I said was that if he was
>>> fucking you over you wouldn't be able to tell.
>>
>> **After one or two services, maybe. After 20+ years of regular
>> servicing and repair of my cars, not a snowball's chance in Hell.
>>
>>>
>>>   > Besides which, I've used plenty of mechanics of the years. I reckon
>>>> I know how to spot a good one. Chris is a VERY good mechanic. And,
>>>> FWIW, his father is a retired mechanic, who pops in to help when
>>>> things get busy.
>>>
>>> That's nice. Irrelevant to anything in particular, but nice just the
>>> same :)
>>
>> **Sure is. His dad is, apparently, brilliant with those older cars.
>> Not that Chris is any slouch though.
>>
>>>
>>>>> At the end of the day if you're happy with the guy then that's all
>>>>> that matters, but whether he was fucking you over or not is
>>>>> something that you would have absolutely no idea about.
>>>>
>>>> **I am confident in my ability to spot a bad mechanic.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you are. But based on the comments that you've made in here
>>> in the past I'm *equally* confident that your appraisal of your own
>>> ability is massively over estimated.
>>
>> **Huh?
>>
>>>
>>>> I've used a few in the past. They usually fuck up at some time. In
>>>> more than 20 years Chris has never put a foot wrong with any of my
>>>> cars. Not once. A remarkable achievement.
>>>
>>> For fuck's sake Trev. He's a mechanic. Not a fighter pilot. There is
>>> nothing "remarkable" about doing a job you're supposed to be a
>>> specialist at.
>>
>> **People fuck up. Most people fuck up some of the time. Chris has
>> never managed to fuck up a repair or service to one of my cars. Not
>> once. That is a pretty damned good record.
>>
>>>
>>>   > Even more remarkable, when I needed to have the
>>>> computers reset, he did the job for free. Only took him 15 minutes,
>>>> but he did use a $12,000.00 OBD-II device to accomplish the job. He
>>>> could have easily have charged me and I would have been happy to
>>>> pay, since my local Subaru dealer quoted me $150.00 and 2 hours to
>>>> do the job. Chris did it for free, while I waited.
>>>
>>> Once again, I would question your ability in telling a good mechanic
>>> from a bad one. Not that I'm casting any aspersions over your
>>> mechanic. I don't know the guy, have never met him or ever seen any
>>> of his work in order to be able to hold an informed opinion about his
>>> ability one way or the other. But the stuff you've mentioned here in
>>> this post alone is normal "run of the mill" routine stuff that
>>> happens in workshops around the country every single day, and if you
>>> genuinely think it's "remarkable" then I'm quite convinced that you
>>> couldn't tell horse shit from coconut muesli when it came to picking
>>> a good mechanic from a bad one.
>>>
>>> As I said, if you're happy with him then that's all that matters.
>>
>> **Uh-huh.
>>
>>
>
>

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 14/07/2023 11:34 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 14/7/2023 10:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 14/7/2023 7:31 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 14/07/2023 6:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>> Had the Outback serviced yesterday and get a call to say that my
>>>>>>> wiper blades are streaking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In January the same thing had happened and I declined having them
>>>>>>> replaced as they were still okay as far as I was concerned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drove to Victoria in late March through a fair bit of rain some
>>>>>>> of which was torrential. By the time I got down there the wipers
>>>>>>> were starting to grab so I went the the local Subaru dealer and
>>>>>>> paid the extortion to have them replaced. It was raining a fair
>>>>>>> bit so it made sense to get it done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can't replace wiper blades yourself? any fool can do it. or
>>>>>> just buy them from an auto parts store, at about a third of what a
>>>>>> dealer would charge, and they'll often replace them for nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The autoparts store where I was, was staffed by young ladies at the
>>>>> time and couldn't find the right blades for my vehicle. They did
>>>>> have very limited stock in the store as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cue the call yesterday and I said to the service advisor that
>>>>>>> they replaced in April, I have the receipt, if they are faulty
>>>>>>> now replace them under warranty as they should last longer than 3
>>>>>>> months...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they last many years. I only ever replaced one set on the Magna in
>>>>>> 13 years, and the Lancer still has the original blades from 2017.
>>>>>> however, where you live they probably last less time than in
>>>>>> Victoria due to your climate
>>>>>
>>>>> Comprehension issues again... I was in Victoria, been back in Qld
>>>>> for 2 months and it hasn't been hot.
>>>>
>>>> Only replacing his wiper blades twice in 13yrs is not only cheap its
>>>> actually dangerous and I have no doubt the car would have been
>>>> unroadworthy, the wiper blades would deteriorated even if the car
>>>> was parked in a garage covered up for that long.
>>>
>>> here's a clue for the clueless.. if the wiper blades work as
>>> intended, ie. properly, they don't need replacing
>>>
>> True. If your car is kept in a garage and not exposed to the sun day
>> in, day out, then they will last a very long time. Mine are up to 7+,
>> still operate perfectly. Had to change the Suzuki blades already but
>> it sees a *lot of sun*.
>
>
> it's incredible that such things need to be explained to them, isn't it.
> but we are talking about the FLC..

And they wonder why a stealership treats them like mugs...

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 15/07/2023 3:32 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 14/07/2023 4:12 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> Had the Outback serviced yesterday and get a call to say that my wiper
>> blades are streaking.
>>
>> In January the same thing had happened and I declined having them
>> replaced as they were still okay as far as I was concerned.
>>
>> Drove to Victoria in late March through a fair bit of rain some of
>> which was torrential. By the time I got down there the wipers were
>> starting to grab so I went the the local Subaru dealer and paid the
>> extortion to have them replaced. It was raining a fair bit so it made
>> sense to get it done.
>>
>> Cue the call yesterday and I said to the service advisor that they
>> replaced in April, I have the receipt, if they are faulty now replace
>> them under warranty as they should last longer than 3 months...
>>
>> Get there to pick up the car to be advised that they decided to
>> "lubricate" the blades and I should see how they go....
>>
>> Battery terminals have corrosion on them after the service and no sign
>> of any lubricant on those. What am I paying them for....
>
> **First question: Why on Earth would you have your car serviced by a
> dealer?
>

Well if you're Noddy and not qualified you can't service any car under
warranty let alone his own as he would void the warranty and
stealerships at the very least have to have qualified mechanics! :-)

Another reason is to have recalls and reworks applied as they are
applicable, though obviously you can do that without having the car
serviced by the stealership some people find it more convenient to just
get them to do the servicing as well.

Besides, you're just as likely to get taken for a ride at any of the
franchises so unless you happen to know a good, independent mechanic
like you seem to have found it's sometimes a case of better the devil
you know.

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 15/07/2023 1:05 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 2:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 15/07/2023 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 15/07/2023 9:20 am, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>> **My mechanic does OK. He owns his factory unit, which has 5 hoists.
>>> He drives a second hand Lexus 4WD, because, in his words: "It's the
>>> same car as the Landcruiser, but with a bit more bling and it was 20
>>> Grand cheaper than the Toyota." His wife has a CX3 and his weekend
>>> car is a '67 Mustang. I've seen everything in his workshop, from an
>>> S-Class, '57 Corvette, GT40 replica + Cobra replica to a first
>>> generation, completely unmolested WRX.
>>>
>>> I trust him completely.
>>>
>>> FWIW: MY local Subaru dealer (where I didn't buy my car) has a
>>> terrible rep for damaging cars that are left for service. So much so,
>>> that when I delivered my car for it's recall a few months back, I
>>> took more than 20 photos of the car, just in case. I needn't have
>>> bothered. When I arrived, the reception guy took another dozen pics
>>> of my car. We got to talking (WRX owner to Levorg owner) and he took
>>> special attention (I think), by ensuring my car was parked well away
>>> from any others, after the service.
>>>
>>> I will still use my mechanic. He is exceptional.
>>
>> If I remember correctly you have mentioned some comments around here
>> in the past that you claimed came directly from your mechanic which
>> gave question to their ability. I can't remember what they were now,
>> but they certainly raised some eyebrows.
>
> **Nope. You're dreaming. He is an exceptional mechanic, with very loyal
> customers and a very good reputation:
>
> https://www.autoguru.com.au/s/premier-car-repairs
>
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=premier+car+repairs&bshm=lbse/1
>
>
> Check the reviews. It is highly unlikely he has managed to fake them
> all. Besides which, I've used plenty of mechanics of the years. I reckon
> I know how to spot a good one. Chris is a VERY good mechanic. And, FWIW,
> his father is a retired mechanic, who pops in to help when things get busy.
>
>>
>> At the end of the day if you're happy with the guy then that's all
>> that matters, but whether he was fucking you over or not is something
>> that you would have absolutely no idea about.
>
> **I am confident in my ability to spot a bad mechanic.

Are you sure about that? As a qualified mechanic with lots of trade
experience I can tell you that Noddy is totally clueless.

Haven't you spotted it yet?

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 15/07/2023 3:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 14/7/2023 7:24 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 14/07/2023 6:20 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 14/7/2023 4:12 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> Had the Outback serviced yesterday and get a call to say that my
>>>> wiper blades are streaking.
>>>>
>>>> In January the same thing had happened and I declined having them
>>>> replaced as they were still okay as far as I was concerned.
>>>>
>>>> Drove to Victoria in late March through a fair bit of rain some of
>>>> which was torrential. By the time I got down there the wipers were
>>>> starting to grab so I went the the local Subaru dealer and paid the
>>>> extortion to have them replaced. It was raining a fair bit so it
>>>> made sense to get it done.
>>>
>>> How much did they charge you for wiper blades?
>>
>> $72.30 for front and rear fitted.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Cue the call yesterday and I said to the service advisor that they
>>>> replaced in April, I have the receipt, if they are faulty now
>>>> replace them under warranty as they should last longer than 3 months...
>>>>
>>>> Get there to pick up the car to be advised that they decided to
>>>> "lubricate" the blades and I should see how they go....
>>>>
>>>> Battery terminals have corrosion on them after the service and no
>>>> sign of any lubricant on those. What am I paying them for....
>>>
>>> LOL, good question.
>>>
>>
>> I can't wait for their customer satisfaction survey this time. My
>> response may trigger their censors!!
>>
>> I'm looking at getting some Holts PEP Corrosion Preventative and
>> putting on them. Just looked at Autobarn it's $12.99 or you can get it
>> from ebay for $45!!
>
> Is that stuff still around? Back when I used it in the late 60s it was
> just known as Korode Kure, a black greasy substance.
>
> Anyway, the best procedure for dealing with battery corrosion buildup is
> to first rinse off loose acid buildup with hot water. Then mix up a
> paste of baking soda and water. Brush the paste around the terminal and
> let it sit for a while. The mixture will neutralise the remaining acid
> and the terminals can again be rinsed off with hot water. Then you can
> apply the Korode Kure. These days I use white lithium grease. Some
> people use vaseline but it is caustic to plastic. A film of white
> lithium grease won't melt or freeze in harsh environments and becomes a
> barrier for protection against corrosion. I always have baking soda and
> a can of white lithium grease on hand for other purposes so there is no
> specific cost applicable to battery terminal cleaning and protection.
>
> If your battery terminals are corroding, you may have a problem.

> Corrosion buildup around a terminal is caused by the battery venting
> hydrogen gas from the electrolyte which then reacts to the air around
> the battery.

Would you like to explain the chemical reaction between H2 and air that
leads to corrosion?

> Battery gassing will eventually deplete the electrolyte in
> the battery and, since most batteries are now non-serviceable
> (maintenance free), the battery will prematurely fail. The cause of
> gassing is typically overcharging or operation in an overheated
> environment. Overcharging will, by itself, lead to battery overheating
> and gassing and may even buckle plates. Have you ever had the charge
> rate checked out? In Queensland you will be operating vehicles in a hot
> environment and the battery in the CX5 is under the bonnet. It would get
> really hot under there, especially when you've just pulled up after a
> long run and heat soak sets in.
> In the past you could adjust the voltage regulator to give the required
> voltage output. This provision began to disappear when I was doing my
> apprenticeship and, these days, charging is controlled by the computer.
>
>
>

On 15/7/2023 8:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 3:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 14/7/2023 7:24 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 14/07/2023 6:20 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 14/7/2023 4:12 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> Had the Outback serviced yesterday and get a call to say that my
>>>>> wiper blades are streaking.
>>>>>
>>>>> In January the same thing had happened and I declined having them
>>>>> replaced as they were still okay as far as I was concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drove to Victoria in late March through a fair bit of rain some of
>>>>> which was torrential. By the time I got down there the wipers were
>>>>> starting to grab so I went the the local Subaru dealer and paid the
>>>>> extortion to have them replaced. It was raining a fair bit so it
>>>>> made sense to get it done.
>>>>
>>>> How much did they charge you for wiper blades?
>>>
>>> $72.30 for front and rear fitted.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cue the call yesterday and I said to the service advisor that they
>>>>> replaced in April, I have the receipt, if they are faulty now
>>>>> replace them under warranty as they should last longer than 3
>>>>> months...
>>>>>
>>>>> Get there to pick up the car to be advised that they decided to
>>>>> "lubricate" the blades and I should see how they go....
>>>>>
>>>>> Battery terminals have corrosion on them after the service and no
>>>>> sign of any lubricant on those. What am I paying them for....
>>>>
>>>> LOL, good question.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can't wait for their customer satisfaction survey this time. My
>>> response may trigger their censors!!
>>>
>>> I'm looking at getting some Holts PEP Corrosion Preventative and
>>> putting on them. Just looked at Autobarn it's $12.99 or you can get
>>> it from ebay for $45!!
>>
>> Is that stuff still around? Back when I used it in the late 60s it was
>> just known as Korode Kure, a black greasy substance.
>>
>> Anyway, the best procedure for dealing with battery corrosion buildup
>> is to first rinse off loose acid buildup with hot water. Then mix up a
>> paste of baking soda and water. Brush the paste around the terminal
>> and let it sit for a while. The mixture will neutralise the remaining
>> acid and the terminals can again be rinsed off with hot water. Then
>> you can apply the Korode Kure. These days I use white lithium grease.
>> Some people use vaseline but it is caustic to plastic. A film of white
>> lithium grease won't melt or freeze in harsh environments and becomes
>> a barrier for protection against corrosion. I always have baking soda
>> and a can of white lithium grease on hand for other purposes so there
>> is no specific cost applicable to battery terminal cleaning and
>> protection.
>>
>> If your battery terminals are corroding, you may have a problem.
>
>
>> Corrosion buildup around a terminal is caused by the battery venting
>> hydrogen gas from the electrolyte which then reacts to the air around
>> the battery.
>
> Would you like to explain the chemical reaction between H2 and air that
> leads to corrosion?

That should have read "battery venting hydrogen gas *and* electrolyte".
If the battery is overheating the electrolyte may be bubbling quite a
bit. As I said below, battery gassing will *deplete* the *electrolyte*.

In the motor trade we focus on the hydrogen aspect as that creates
significant risk factors when dealing with charging batteries. Ever seen
a lead acid car battery explode? I have - or at least the aftermath. The
"victim" wore the top of the battery in his face, all four sides of the
battery blew out, and the sulphuric acid went everywhere. Luckily I was
not standing too near. People scream when their eyes are full of
sulphuric acid.

Anyway, what you don't want in a car is a gassing battery and the
buildup of crud around the terminals is symptomatic of that.
>
>> Battery gassing will eventually deplete the electrolyte in the battery
>> and, since most batteries are now non-serviceable (maintenance free),
>> the battery will prematurely fail. The cause of gassing is typically
>> overcharging or operation in an overheated environment. Overcharging
>> will, by itself, lead to battery overheating and gassing and may even
>> buckle plates. Have you ever had the charge rate checked out? In
>> Queensland you will be operating vehicles in a hot environment and the
>> battery in the CX5 is under the bonnet. It would get really hot under
>> there, especially when you've just pulled up after a long run and heat
>> soak sets in.
>> In the past you could adjust the voltage regulator to give the
>> required voltage output. This provision began to disappear when I was
>> doing my apprenticeship and, these days, charging is controlled by the
>> computer.
>>
>>
>>
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/07/2023 5:43 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/7/2023 5:25 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> That's Subaru for you, and to be honest they have one of the most
>> cuntiest reputations in the car servicing business. Others are very
>> different.
>>
>>
> Surprised that they told him that though because when our Subbies were
> relatively new and serviced by the dealer it was rare for them to come
> back without some sort of update, for some reason it was especially
> noticeable with the Forester, I could always tell that after a service
> it drove slightly differently.

Perhaps he got the short shrift because he'd gone elsewhere for his
service needs. They can get remarkably petty when you don't allow them
to rape your wallet :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 15/07/2023 5:44 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/7/2023 5:28 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Again, that's a very typical Subaru experience and there are many who
>> are nothing like that.
>>
>> At the end of the day such things are something the average car buyer
>> should look into *before* making their choice.
>>
>>
> Good advice, should be able to find online reviews about dealers and car
> brands, they aren't always 100% accurate but you can get a general idea.

It's getting better. It's difficult to research particular marques with
regards to after sales service, as individual dealers can be different
and a review of the brand won't give you the whole picture. But you can
research reviews on individual dealers and this is where social media
can be very beneficial.

For example, if you were thinking of buying a new Toyota and Melton
Toyota is your nearest dealer, then a quick look on Facebook or Google
reviews will tell you that most people who deal with them come away
happy with the experience.

As for the vehicle itself, the is no end of internet reviews and tests
to view.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 16/7/2023 12:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 5:43 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/7/2023 5:25 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> That's Subaru for you, and to be honest they have one of the most
>>> cuntiest reputations in the car servicing business. Others are very
>>> different.
>>>
>>>
>> Surprised that they told him that though because when our Subbies were
>> relatively new and serviced by the dealer it was rare for them to come
>> back without some sort of update, for some reason it was especially
>> noticeable with the Forester, I could always tell that after a service
>> it drove slightly differently.
>
> Perhaps he got the short shrift because he'd gone elsewhere for his
> service needs. They can get remarkably petty when you don't allow them
> to rape your wallet :)
>
>
They sure can be but after I refused to allow some very expensive
service up selling ($400 to change and flush the Forester power
steering) nothing much changed.
Interesting that at Subaru Docklands they have a separate service area
for WRX's because apparently they are special:-)

--
Daryl

On 16/07/2023 12:38 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 16/7/2023 12:06 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Perhaps he got the short shrift because he'd gone elsewhere for his
>> service needs. They can get remarkably petty when you don't allow them
>> to rape your wallet :)
>>
>>
> They sure can be but after I refused to allow some very expensive
> service up selling ($400 to change and flush the Forester power
> steering) nothing much changed.
> Interesting that at Subaru Docklands they have a separate service area
> for WRX's because apparently they are special:-)

It's all part of the illusion.

I remember when the dealership I worked for was announced as one of
those chosen to sell the Honda NSX, there was much fanfare and company
heave ho about how NSX buyers had to be treated as special cases. To
that end they had to have their own lounge and be offered exclusive
things like drinks and treats that the average Honda buyer didn't get.

All while their car went out into the service bay and was serviced by
the same regular techs who did everything else :)

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--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 16/7/2023 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 12:38 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 16/7/2023 12:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Perhaps he got the short shrift because he'd gone elsewhere for his
>>> service needs. They can get remarkably petty when you don't allow
>>> them to rape your wallet :)
>>>
>>>
>> They sure can be but after I refused to allow some very expensive
>> service up selling ($400 to change and flush the Forester power
>> steering) nothing much changed.
>> Interesting that at Subaru Docklands they have a separate service area
>> for WRX's because apparently they are special:-)
>
> It's all part of the illusion.
>
> I remember when the dealership I worked for was announced as one of
> those chosen to sell the Honda NSX, there was much fanfare and company
> heave ho about how NSX buyers had to be treated as special cases. To
> that end they had to have their own lounge and be offered exclusive
> things like drinks and treats that the average Honda buyer didn't get.
>
> All while their car went out into the service bay and was serviced by
> the same regular techs who did everything else :)
>
>
I find it incredible that people rate such extras such as "special"
treatment which is only a cup of coffee in a plush waiting room so
highly and then they ignore the important things such as what is
actually happening to their car, they are conned into to thinking that
because they are in expensive looking surroundings the standard of work
will be better than their local workshop.
It may better but there is just as much chance that it isn't, the plush
surroundings are just smoke and mirrors designed to loosen their wallets.

--
Daryl

On 16/7/2023 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 12:38 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 16/7/2023 12:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Perhaps he got the short shrift because he'd gone elsewhere for his
>>> service needs. They can get remarkably petty when you don't allow
>>> them to rape your wallet :)
>>>
>>>
>> They sure can be but after I refused to allow some very expensive
>> service up selling ($400 to change and flush the Forester power
>> steering) nothing much changed.
>> Interesting that at Subaru Docklands they have a separate service area
>> for WRX's because apparently they are special:-)
>
> It's all part of the illusion.
>
> I remember when the dealership I worked for was announced as one of

You mean the one where you worked in the wash bay doing PDs?

> those chosen to sell the Honda NSX, there was much fanfare and company
> heave ho about how NSX buyers had to be treated as special cases. To
> that end they had to have their own lounge and be offered exclusive
> things like drinks and treats that the average Honda buyer didn't get.
>
> All while their car went out into the service bay and was serviced by
> the same regular techs who did everything else :)

At least they were *qualified* techs. Unlike you!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/07/2023 9:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/7/2023 8:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 15/07/2023 3:00 pm, Xeno wrote:

>>> Corrosion buildup around a terminal is caused by the battery venting
>>> hydrogen gas from the electrolyte which then reacts to the air around
>>> the battery.
>>
>> Would you like to explain the chemical reaction between H2 and air
>> that leads to corrosion?
>
> That should have read "battery venting hydrogen gas *and* electrolyte".
> If the battery is overheating the electrolyte may be bubbling quite a
> bit. As I said below, battery gassing will *deplete* the *electrolyte*.
>
> In the motor trade we focus on the hydrogen aspect as that creates
> significant risk factors when dealing with charging batteries. Ever seen
> a lead acid car battery explode? I have - or at least the aftermath. The
> "victim" wore the top of the battery in his face, all four sides of the
> battery blew out, and the sulphuric acid went everywhere. Luckily I was
> not standing too near. People scream when their eyes are full of
> sulphuric acid.
>
> Anyway, what you don't want in a car is a gassing battery and the
> buildup of crud around the terminals is symptomatic of that.

H2 plays no part in the corrosion of battery terminals, it's the H2SO4
fumes that do that. I don't have that problem, the Maz3 has a sealed
battery, and the MX5 battery vents to the outside world via a vent tube.

I've seen one explode when somebody removed the connection to his
motorbike battery while under charge. It wasn't spectacular, basically
the side of the battery just fell off.

We used to use a oxy-hydrogen torch to weld glassware in one lab that I
worked in. It lit with a bang and produced a roaring red flame, noting
like oxy-aceteline.

On 16/7/2023 7:38 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 9:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 15/7/2023 8:52 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 15/07/2023 3:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> Corrosion buildup around a terminal is caused by the battery venting
>>>> hydrogen gas from the electrolyte which then reacts to the air
>>>> around the battery.
>>>
>>> Would you like to explain the chemical reaction between H2 and air
>>> that leads to corrosion?
>>
>> That should have read "battery venting hydrogen gas *and*
>> electrolyte". If the battery is overheating the electrolyte may be
>> bubbling quite a bit. As I said below, battery gassing will *deplete*
>> the *electrolyte*.
>>
>> In the motor trade we focus on the hydrogen aspect as that creates
>> significant risk factors when dealing with charging batteries. Ever
>> seen a lead acid car battery explode? I have - or at least the
>> aftermath. The "victim" wore the top of the battery in his face, all
>> four sides of the battery blew out, and the sulphuric acid went
>> everywhere. Luckily I was not standing too near. People scream when
>> their eyes are full of sulphuric acid.
>>
>> Anyway, what you don't want in a car is a gassing battery and the
>> buildup of crud around the terminals is symptomatic of that.
>
> H2 plays no part in the corrosion of battery terminals, it's the H2SO4

I know. Note, I corrected myself, remember?

"battery venting hydrogen gas *and* electrolyte"

It's just that I am aware of H2 being given off during charging and the
hazards it poses for me as a mechanic. Both the electrolyte and the H2
are *vented*.

> fumes that do that. I don't have that problem, the Maz3 has a sealed
> battery, and the MX5 battery vents to the outside world via a vent tube.
>
> I've seen one explode when somebody removed the connection to his
> motorbike battery while under charge. It wasn't spectacular, basically
> the side of the battery just fell off.

Same scenario, my friend, who should have known better, was hit in the
face with the battery top, sprayed with acid, and all four sides of the
battery blew off. As I said, I heard it and witnessed the aftermath.
>
> We used to use a oxy-hydrogen torch to weld glassware in one lab that I
> worked in. It lit with a bang and produced a roaring red flame, noting
> like oxy-aceteline.
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 13:06:32 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> I remember when the dealership I worked for was announced as one of
> those chosen to sell the Honda NSX,

You're cutting it fine there Fraudster.

"In 1991 or so when I first started my business, which was also in Altona
in an industrial estate, I had the opportunity to buy a 2000 square foot
factory for 79 thousand bucks".

"That may seem like a pittance now, with people these days spending more
than that to build luxury swimming pools, but back then it was a big deal
for me as I was just starting out and already had an existing mortgage."

So you had only ever had low paying jobs, zero business experience and the
interpersonal skills of a fresh cow pat, yet someone lent you money to
start a business. I believe you Fraudster. Honest.

alvey
Not bothering to mention yet again that there is no record of this
business in the Slough Estate. At his parents residence, 'Yes', but in the
Slough Estate? Nope.