<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:46:29 -0000 (UTC)
>
> How long do you reckon the average bus would last without regular maintenance
> at the depot?
>
>

Judging by some of the heaps that often ended on pared to the bone
schoolbus contracts successfully tendered for by a bus enthusiast operator
and family a bloody long time.
TBH I think councils insist on higher standards now but go back say 15 -20
years there were a lot around. An acquaintance worked for one part time as
a driver and used to get some sheet metal, mastic, drill and a pop rivet
gun that he took in himself to cover holes that let road spray in.

GH

In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:

>>>I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>
>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>
>Yes, based on observation.

I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.

Something should be done [tm].
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>
>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>
>> Yes, based on observation.
>
> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.

You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly seen a
suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came from a coach’s
hold. You presumably know that’s where they come from because you’ve
watched them being scattered?

And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
time you go out.

> Something should be done [tm].

Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
Ely triangle.

Sam

--
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Spit the dummy to reply

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>>
>>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>>
>>> Yes, based on observation.
>>
>> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
>> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.
>
> You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly seen a
> suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came from a coach’s
> hold. You presumably know that’s where they come from because you’ve
> watched them being scattered?
>
> And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
> go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
> time you go out.
>
>> Something should be done [tm].
>
> Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
> Ely triangle.
>
> Sam
>

I had similar thoughts myself. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a suitcase,
intact or contents scattered, on a motorway.

On 26/03/2022 21:14, Tweed wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>>>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, based on observation.
>>>
>>> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
>>> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.
>>
>> You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly seen a
>> suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came from a coach’s
>> hold. You presumably know that’s where they come from because you’ve
>> watched them being scattered?
>>
>> And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
>> go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
>> time you go out.
>>
>>> Something should be done [tm].
>>
>> Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
>> Ely triangle.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>
> I had similar thoughts myself. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a suitcase,
> intact or contents scattered, on a motorway.
>
Nor me.

Although I have seen a trail of Christmas trees on the eastbound
carriage way of the M5.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>>>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, based on observation.
>>>
>>> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
>>> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.
>>
>> You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly seen a
>> suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came from a coach’s
>> hold. You presumably know that’s where they come from because you’ve
>> watched them being scattered?
>>
>> And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
>> go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
>> time you go out.
>>
>>> Something should be done [tm].
>>
>> Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
>> Ely triangle.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>
> I had similar thoughts myself. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a suitcase,
> intact or contents scattered, on a motorway.

Ditto

In message <t1nuft$g03$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:53:17 on Sat, 26 Mar
2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>>
>>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>>
>>> Yes, based on observation.
>>
>> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
>> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.
>
>You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly seen a
>suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came from a coach’s
>hold. You presumably know that’s where they come from because you’ve
>watched them being scattered?
>
>And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
>go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
>time you go out.

I drove to Kings Lynn yesterday (no motorway involved).

>> Something should be done [tm].
>
>Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
>Ely triangle.

Perhaps taking lessons in detecting sarcasm would be a start.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t1nuft$g03$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:53:17 on Sat, 26 Mar
> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>>>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, based on observation.
>>>
>>> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
>>> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.
>>
>> You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly seen a
>> suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came from a coach’s
>> hold. You presumably know that’s where they come from because you’ve
>> watched them being scattered?
>>
>> And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
>> go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
>> time you go out.
>
> I drove to Kings Lynn yesterday (no motorway involved).
>
>>> Something should be done [tm].
>>
>> Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
>> Ely triangle.
>
> Perhaps taking lessons in detecting sarcasm would be a start.

I detected no sarcasm. It’s hard to deal with your writings, because
apparently sometimes you mean the opposite of what you write and sometimes
you believe words are present that the rest of us can’t see. I don’t suffer
these difficulties with any other correspondent on here.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <t1nuft$g03$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:53:17 on Sat, 26 Mar
>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
>>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>>>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>>>>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, based on observation.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
>>>> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.
>>>
>>> You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly seen a
>>> suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came from a coach’s
>>> hold. You presumably know that’s where they come from because you’ve
>>> watched them being scattered?
>>>
>>> And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
>>> go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
>>> time you go out.
>>
>> I drove to Kings Lynn yesterday (no motorway involved).
>>
>>>> Something should be done [tm].
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
>>> Ely triangle.
>>
>> Perhaps taking lessons in detecting sarcasm would be a start.
>
> I detected no sarcasm. It’s hard to deal with your writings, because
> apparently sometimes you mean the opposite of what you write and sometimes
> you believe words are present that the rest of us can’t see. I don’t suffer
> these difficulties with any other correspondent on here.
>
>

I suppose that the reason is that the others are here to discuss railways
and (often very!) vaguely related matters, while Roland is here just to
have arguments on any subject imaginable.

In message <t1peg4$klp$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:32:36 on Sun, 27 Mar
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <t1nuft$g03$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:53:17 on Sat, 26 Mar
>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
>>>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>>>>>>possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage
>>>>>>>>falling out en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, based on observation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
>>>>> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.
>>>>
>>>> You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly
>>>>seen a suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came
>>>>a coach’s hold. You presumably know that’s where they come
>>>>from because you’ve watched them being scattered?
>>>>
>>>> And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
>>>> go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
>>>> time you go out.
>>>
>>> I drove to Kings Lynn yesterday (no motorway involved).
>>>
>>>>> Something should be done [tm].
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
>>>> Ely triangle.
>>>
>>> Perhaps taking lessons in detecting sarcasm would be a start.
>>
>> I detected no sarcasm.

Well, that's apparent. The absence of non-verbal clues in here does seem
to be a problem. I'm told by language experts that "just the words"
conveys only 10% of the meaning of a conversation, and the other 90% is
roughly [an invisible word to ensure no-one thinks I mean precisely
45.00%] the body language, and the remaining roughly[ditto] half the
tone of voice plus speed of intonation etc.

>>It’s hard to deal with your writings, because apparently sometimes
>>you mean the opposite of what you write

I always mean what I write*, but see my previous paragraph.

>>and sometimes you believe words are present that the rest of us
>>can’t see.

If there's ambiguity caused by brevity (for example if I wrote "The
Transport Minister is in a pickle this week") I tend to assume people
will start from a position of inserting an invisible "English", to see
if that makes sense, before asking "huh - Shapps seems unfazed, which
country's Transport Minister did you mean?"

Recently I've tried harder to lengthen what I write, in uk.railway, to
ensure it's clearer. eg I wrote "in uk.railway" there, rather have
someone come back and ask "writing in where?"

But I'm not proposing to go back and edit that into '*' above. Not least
because it refers to what I write everywhere. You could argue it's my
bad for not having put "what I write everywhere", but sometimes life's
too short.

>>I don’t suffer these difficulties with any other correspondent on
>>here.

How can you possibly think a comment about bags all over the motorway
wasn't tongue in cheek? Perhaps it's that missing 90%

>I suppose that the reason is that the others are here to discuss railways

You should have a look at the threads I start. They are all about
railways. I try hard to stick to replies focussed on railways, but time
and time again there are noises off (like people claiming I'm writing
nonsense because they allege I'm unemployed, which is ridiculous on at
least two levels) and off we go again...

Of course, there's an invisible "UK" before "Railways", in all that.

>and (often very!) vaguely related matters,

Omicron, one of the busiest the last three months, which someone else
started, is only very vaguely railway related.

>while Roland is here just to have arguments on any subject imaginable.

Says someone who pops up again, to start yet another argument.

--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:29:30 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>
>>I suppose that the reason is that the others are here to discuss railways
>
>You should have a look at the threads I start. They are all about
>railways. I try hard to stick to replies focussed on railways, but time
>and time again there are noises off (like people claiming I'm writing
>nonsense because they allege I'm unemployed, which is ridiculous on at
>least two levels) and off we go again...

No, they're all about Ely. You seldom travel on a train, or read about the railways, and have little experience of the
modern railways.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <t1nuft$g03$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:53:17 on Sat, 26 Mar
> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <t1et4r$s2h$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:35:07 on Wed, 23 Mar
>>> 2022, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> I don’t know whether the locking mechanisms might be simpler
>>>>>> - possibly not because of the risk to other traffic of luggage falling out
>>>>>> en route rather than the risk to passengers of falling out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh ok. So you were guessing.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, based on observation.
>>>
>>> I don't know about you, but I see suitcases scattered across motorways
>>> having fallen out of the holds, almost every time I go out for a drive.
>>
>> You clearly don’t know about me, because I’ve never knowingly seen a
>> suitcase scattered across a motorway, whether or not it came from a coach’s
>> hold. You presumably know that’s where they come from because you’ve
>> watched them being scattered?
>>
>> And you travel on a motorway, or are in view of one, almost every time you
>> go out for a drive? You must go as far as Cambridge or Huntingdon every
>> time you go out.
>
> I drove to Kings Lynn yesterday (no motorway involved).
>
>>> Something should be done [tm].
>>
>> Perhaps you could suggest something. It might have to be specific to the
>> Ely triangle.
>
> Perhaps taking lessons in detecting sarcasm would be a start.

Sorry, but my sarcasm detector seems to malfunction in the Ely Triangle.

Sam

--
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In message <tgj04hdpcqbkdhm3h18upf4vmrmnj1gj2l@4ax.com>, at 12:46:21 on
Sun, 27 Mar 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:29:30 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>>I suppose that the reason is that the others are here to discuss railways
>>
>>You should have a look at the threads I start. They are all about
>>railways. I try hard to stick to replies focussed on railways, but time
>>and time again there are noises off (like people claiming I'm writing
>>nonsense because they allege I'm unemployed, which is ridiculous on at
>>least two levels) and off we go again...
>
>No, they're all about Ely. You seldom travel on a train, or read about
>the railways, and have little experience of the modern railways.

Has the Ely Triangle extended as far as Devon now? And why do you
suppose I'm not reading about railways here - seems a very odd
assertion.

Perhaps I need to put [Not Ely] in the title of relevant postings, just
to rub in their diversity.

And talking of diversity, that's one of the joys of being here, because
we have (in no particular order) all at one station:

Electric Outer commuter services
Local DMUs
Long distance DMUs on two flows including Cross-Country
Movement of mothballed trains to/from Papworth
Container freight
Aggregates freight
ECML diversions
Railtours

Electrostars, Turbostars, Sprinters, Basils, and most recently 720's,
all to be seen in one hour at the right time of day (720's rush hour
only). 720's are modern, aren't they?

<Thread convergence> The information about Devon re-openings appeared in
a curated feed I read every morning, which means I neither need to
subscribe to New Civil Engineer, nor to thumb through a copy to find
articles that might interest me. Isn't new technology wonderful! Of
course, reopening lines/stations is a particular interest of mine and
pertains precisely to the way the modern railways are evolving.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:58:08 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <tgj04hdpcqbkdhm3h18upf4vmrmnj1gj2l@4ax.com>, at 12:46:21 on
>Sun, 27 Mar 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:29:30 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>I suppose that the reason is that the others are here to discuss railways
>>>
>>>You should have a look at the threads I start. They are all about
>>>railways. I try hard to stick to replies focussed on railways, but time
>>>and time again there are noises off (like people claiming I'm writing
>>>nonsense because they allege I'm unemployed, which is ridiculous on at
>>>least two levels) and off we go again...
>>
>>No, they're all about Ely. You seldom travel on a train, or read about
>>the railways, and have little experience of the modern railways.
>
>Has the Ely Triangle extended as far as Devon now? And why do you
>suppose I'm not reading about railways here - seems a very odd
>assertion.
>
>Perhaps I need to put [Not Ely] in the title of relevant postings, just
>to rub in their diversity.
>
>And talking of diversity, that's one of the joys of being here, because
>we have (in no particular order) all at one station:
>
>Electric Outer commuter services
>Local DMUs
>Long distance DMUs on two flows including Cross-Country
>Movement of mothballed trains to/from Papworth
>Container freight
>Aggregates freight
>ECML diversions
>Railtours
>
>Electrostars, Turbostars, Sprinters, Basils, and most recently 720's,
>all to be seen in one hour at the right time of day (720's rush hour
>only). 720's are modern, aren't they?

What are the 720s like to travel on? How do they compare to the other Aventras you've used?

>
><Thread convergence> The information about Devon re-openings appeared in
>a curated feed I read every morning, which means I neither need to
>subscribe to New Civil Engineer, nor to thumb through a copy to find
>articles that might interest me. Isn't new technology wonderful! Of
>course, reopening lines/stations is a particular interest of mine and
>pertains precisely to the way the modern railways are evolving.

It's a pity there are aren't more reopened lines for you to study!

In message <8i9b4hh8hqh1p5b9ua58v22fvidh01cr63@4ax.com>, at 14:03:38 on
Thu, 31 Mar 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:58:08 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <tgj04hdpcqbkdhm3h18upf4vmrmnj1gj2l@4ax.com>, at 12:46:21 on
>>Sun, 27 Mar 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:29:30 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I suppose that the reason is that the others are here to discuss railways
>>>>
>>>>You should have a look at the threads I start. They are all about
>>>>railways. I try hard to stick to replies focussed on railways, but time
>>>>and time again there are noises off (like people claiming I'm writing
>>>>nonsense because they allege I'm unemployed, which is ridiculous on at
>>>>least two levels) and off we go again...
>>>
>>>No, they're all about Ely. You seldom travel on a train, or read about
>>>the railways, and have little experience of the modern railways.
>>
>>Has the Ely Triangle extended as far as Devon now? And why do you
>>suppose I'm not reading about railways here - seems a very odd
>>assertion.
>>
>>Perhaps I need to put [Not Ely] in the title of relevant postings, just
>>to rub in their diversity.
>>
>>And talking of diversity, that's one of the joys of being here, because
>>we have (in no particular order) all at one station:
>>
>>Electric Outer commuter services
>>Local DMUs
>>Long distance DMUs on two flows including Cross-Country
>>Movement of mothballed trains to/from Papworth
>>Container freight
>>Aggregates freight
>>ECML diversions
>>Railtours
>>
>>Electrostars, Turbostars, Sprinters, Basils, and most recently 720's,
>>all to be seen in one hour at the right time of day (720's rush hour
>>only). 720's are modern, aren't they?

I missed out 700's, which for a brief period some were lent to GA by
Thameslink, and found their way to Ely (and according to some, even
Kings Lynn). I only saw those mid-afternoon.

>What are the 720s like to travel on? How do they compare to the other
>Aventras you've used?

As they are rush-hour only here, I've not been on one of GA's yet. But
next time I go to London I'll make a point of using the Liverpool St
route.

>><Thread convergence> The information about Devon re-openings appeared in
>>a curated feed I read every morning, which means I neither need to
>>subscribe to New Civil Engineer, nor to thumb through a copy to find
>>articles that might interest me. Isn't new technology wonderful! Of
>>course, reopening lines/stations is a particular interest of mine and
>>pertains precisely to the way the modern railways are evolving.
>
>It's a pity there are aren't more reopened lines for you to study!

It's the proposals for re-opening which are rather more numerous.
--
Roland Perry