Just been watching on Freeview the re-run of The Good Life, a comedy
series from 1975, 46 years ago!

It is unthinkable that in 1975 that 46 years previously was 1929,
some years before broadcast TV even existed, and inconceivable that
in 1975 we would have been watching films from 1929!

One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2 perhaps?

Remember that the excellent technical basis of PAL TV has
faded into history.

Come back 4.43361875 (Accurate to 1/4 Hz) all is forgiven?

"gareth evans" <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Just been watching on Freeview the re-run of The Good Life, a comedy
> series from 1975, 46 years ago!
>
> It is unthinkable that in 1975 that 46 years previously was 1929,
> some years before broadcast TV even existed, and inconceivable that
> in 1975 we would have been watching films from 1929!

why not

I've recently watched a film from 1929

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail_(1929_film)

On 15/09/2021 18:03, gareth evans wrote:
> One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2 perhaps?

I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present day
"comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.

The main casualty in audio is the lossy compression supposedly tweaked to
make sure you don't here the missing or messed about stuff, but increasingly
you can, sadly. Its often phase relationships that get messed up in the
attempt to squeeze all the audio into a lower bandwidth, it was always true
that you cannot get a quart into a pint pot.
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"gareth evans" <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sht90r$u5l$1@dont-email.me...
> Just been watching on Freeview the re-run of The Good Life, a comedy
> series from 1975, 46 years ago!
>
> It is unthinkable that in 1975 that 46 years previously was 1929,
> some years before broadcast TV even existed, and inconceivable that
> in 1975 we would have been watching films from 1929!
>
> One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2 perhaps?
>
> Remember that the excellent technical basis of PAL TV has
> faded into history.
>
> Come back 4.43361875 (Accurate to 1/4 Hz) all is forgiven?
>
>
>

In article <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 15/09/2021 18:03, gareth evans wrote:
> > One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2
> > perhaps?

> I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be
> present day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I
> watch now.

Comedy like so many other things has suffered death by woke.

Bob.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:23:16 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 15/09/2021 18:03, gareth evans wrote:
>> One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2 perhaps?
>
>I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present day
>"comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.

Radio 4 comedy is an oxymoron.

It amuses me when they introduce someone as a comedian, presumably on
the basis you would not notice unless you were told.

In message <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>On 15/09/2021 18:03, gareth evans wrote:
>> One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2 perhaps?
>
>I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present
>day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.

I can't imagine watching any of it in 46 years time, as I'll be 118
years old.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

> In message <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
> >On 15/09/2021 18:03, gareth evans wrote:
> >> One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2
> >> perhaps?
> >
> >I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present
> >day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.

On the other hand. the "Yes, Minister" repeats on BBC 4 - some of which
were 40 years old - are justa s topical as they were when they were written.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 16/09/2021 10:18, charles wrote:
>> In message <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>>> On 15/09/2021 18:03, gareth evans wrote:
>>>> One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2
>>>> perhaps?
>>>
>>> I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present
>>> day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.
>
>
> On the other hand. the "Yes, Minister" repeats on BBC 4 - some of which
> were 40 years old - are justa s topical as they were when they were written.
>

.... and may account for the oligarchal NHS managers employing even more
on vastly excessive salaries of £200K +

On 16/09/2021 09:56, John Hall wrote:

> I can't imagine watching any of it in 46 years time, as I'll be 118
> years old.

I think you would be in the Guinness Book of Records if you manage it.
That's something to aim for :-)

Jim

On 16/09/2021 10:18, charles wrote:
>>
>> In message <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>>> On 15/09/2021 18:03, gareth evans wrote:
>>>
>>> I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present
>>> day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.
>
>
> On the other hand. the "Yes, Minister" repeats on BBC 4 - some of which
> were 40 years old - are justa s topical as they were when they were written.

Particularly, as it happens, today!

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"charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message news:596cca0f30charles@candehope.me.uk...
>
>> In message <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>> >
>> >I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present
>> >day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.
>
>
> On the other hand. the "Yes, Minister" repeats on BBC 4 - some of which
> were 40 years old - are justa s topical as they were when they were written.

One way for scriptwriters to achieve this, is by not referencing any
contemporary real world events. Vagueness and lack of specific names and
dates pertaining to the real world, focussing instead on recurring
themes, such as political corruption and/or conspiracy, means the
material won't quickly become outdated.

John Lennon's famous remarks are another example:
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're
being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put
away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."

Or the infamous "Protocols of Zion" document.

"Alexander" <none@nowhere.fr> wrote in message
news:shv7os$iui$1@dont-email.me...
>
> "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:596cca0f30charles@candehope.me.uk...
>>
>>> In message <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>>> >
>>> >I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present
>>> >day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.
>>
>>
>> On the other hand. the "Yes, Minister" repeats on BBC 4 - some of which
>> were 40 years old - are justa s topical as they were when they were
>> written.
>
> One way for scriptwriters to achieve this, is by not referencing any
> contemporary real world events. Vagueness and lack of specific names and
> dates pertaining to the real world, focussing instead on recurring
> themes, such as political corruption and/or conspiracy, means the
> material won't quickly become outdated.

and never mentioning how much things cost

"gareth evans" <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:sht90r$u5l$1@dont-email.me...

>
> One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2 perhaps?
>
> Remember that the excellent technical basis of PAL TV has
> faded into history.

Alas they do a great job of making PAL recordings look absolutely
dreadful when repeating the old programmes, especially on BBC
with their policy of reducing the horizontal bandwidth, by
pillarboxing all SD 4:3 in a 16:9 SD frame (which also involves
an additional deinterlace/reinterlace stage).

In many cases I can get subjectively better results using a £20
capture card and my old VHS tapes from the 1980s!

Better results would be obtained by upscaling PAL straight
to 1080p; deinterlacing it before any lossy compression is
applied.

A PAL source can also take advantage of high dynamic range (HDR)
video, at least up to a point.

On 16/09/2021 10:18, charles wrote:
>
> On the other hand. the "Yes, Minister" repeats on BBC 4 - some of which
> were 40 years old - are justa s topical as they were when they were written.
>
My late father would sometimes get mistaken for Paul Eddington, and have
praise heaped on him for either The Good Life or Yes Minister (or both)
He'd just play along with it, less bother !

His personality was a mixture of both characters too.

On 16/09/2021 12:10, Alexander wrote:
>
> A PAL source can also take advantage of high dynamic range (HDR)
> video, at least up to a point.
Can it ?  Explain how ?

On 16/09/2021 10:25, gareth evans wrote:
> ... and may account for the oligarchal NHS managers employing even more
> on vastly excessive salaries of £200K +

Not just employing, advertising for forty more on well over £200K a year
(if I remember correctly).

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:iqgsg5F5p6hU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 16/09/2021 12:10, Alexander wrote:
>>
>> A PAL source can also take advantage of high dynamic range (HDR)
>> video, at least up to a point.
> Can it ? Explain how ?

oops, not HDR; that's a different thing :-)

I was referring to the limited bit depth of MPEG2 video - 8-bits for the
luma and for each of the subsampled chroma channels (less in practice
because of the "limited RGB" arrangement, where a value of 16 is used for
black, and 235 for white on the luma, with similar limitation on the
chroma channels).

Because it's an analogue format, PAL is not subject to these limitations
of low bit depth. (Chroma bandwidth is still reduced but that's a
separate issue).

AIUI, PAL broadcast cameras (the later ones with digital electroincs)
typically used 10-bits depth internally for each of the equivalent luma
and chroma channels.

On 16/09/2021 15:04, Alexander wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:iqgsg5F5p6hU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On 16/09/2021 12:10, Alexander wrote:
>>> A PAL source can also take advantage of high dynamic range (HDR)
>>> video, at least up to a point.
>> Can it ? Explain how ?
> oops, not HDR; that's a different thing :-)
>
> I was referring to the limited bit depth of MPEG2 video - 8-bits for the
> luma and for each of the subsampled chroma channels (less in practice
> because of the "limited RGB" arrangement, where a value of 16 is used for
> black, and 235 for white on the luma, with similar limitation on the
> chroma channels).
>
> Because it's an analogue format, PAL is not subject to these limitations
> of low bit depth. (Chroma bandwidth is still reduced but that's a
> separate issue).
>
> AIUI, PAL broadcast cameras (the later ones with digital electroincs)
> typically used 10-bits depth internally for each of the equivalent luma
> and chroma channels.
>
Not the 1970s models that  shot The Good Life etc (EMI-2001s) totally
analogue devices, and with a video noise floor that was more like long
grass.

They struggled as it was not to lose dark detail in the noise, or have
burnt out highlights at the other end.

The performance of the rest of the chain exceeded that a bit (until it
arrived at the klystrons in the transmitter)

In message <shv7ti$jqs$1@dont-email.me>, tim... <timsnews99@gmail.com>
writes
>
>
>"Alexander" <none@nowhere.fr> wrote in message
>news:shv7os$iui$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message
>>news:596cca0f30charles@candehope.me.uk...
>>>
>>>> In message <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>>>> >
>>>> >I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present
>>>> >day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.
>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand. the "Yes, Minister" repeats on BBC 4 - some of which
>>> were 40 years old - are justa s topical as they were when they were
>>>written.
>>
>> One way for scriptwriters to achieve this, is by not referencing any
>> contemporary real world events. Vagueness and lack of specific names and
>> dates pertaining to the real world, focussing instead on recurring
>> themes, such as political corruption and/or conspiracy, means the
>> material won't quickly become outdated.
>
>and never mentioning how much things cost
>
>

Flanders and Swann fell foul of that in their song "Transport of
Delight":

"If tickets cost a pound apiece
Why should you make a fuss?
It's worth it just to ride inside
A London omnibus."

Now a bus fare of one pound would be remarkably cheap. But I don't
suppose they thought that anyone would still be listening to their songs
some sixty years after they were written.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

In message <596cca0f30charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> writes
>
>> In message <shto6h$ccu$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
>> >On 15/09/2021 18:03, gareth evans wrote:
>> >> One wonders what in 46 years time will have come and gone, DVB-2
>> >> perhaps?
>> >
>> >I certainly can't imagine watching much of what claims to be present
>> >day "comedy" in 46 years time. Very little of it that I watch now.
>
>
>On the other hand. the "Yes, Minister" repeats on BBC 4 - some of which
>were 40 years old - are justa s topical as they were when they were written.
>
I'd say that they are now even more topical than when they were written!
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Yup, anher 10On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:44:40 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net>
wrote:

>On 16/09/2021 10:25, gareth evans wrote:
>> ... and may account for the oligarchal NHS managers employing even more
>> on vastly excessive salaries of £200K +
>
>Not just employing, advertising for forty more on well over £200K a year
>(if I remember correctly).

Yup another 8 million quid for yet another rearrangement of NHS deck
chairs.

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On 15/09/2021 18:58, tim... wrote:
> why not
>
> I've recently watched a film from 1929

I don't know if it counts but I'm currently (re)reading HG Wells "The
Sleeper Awakes" written at the end of the 19thC.

It really struck me when I noticed that the preface he added much later
was dated 1921...

Andy

On 16/09/2021 21:26, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 15/09/2021 18:58, tim... wrote:

>> why not
>>
>> I've recently watched a film from 1929
>
> I don't know if it counts but I'm currently (re)reading HG Wells "The
> Sleeper Awakes" written at the end of the 19thC.
>
> It really struck me when I noticed that the preface he added much later
> was dated 1921...

In those days copyright was quite short lived: I think 12 years from
publication, so Wells used to make small changes and re-issue his works
with a different title, in this case originally it was "When the Sleeper
Wakes".

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In article <gLqdnT2EAdMB4dn8nZ2dnUU78RPNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max
Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> In those days copyright was quite short lived: I think 12 years from
> publication, so Wells used to make small changes and re-issue his works
> with a different title, in this case originally it was "When the Sleeper
> Wakes".

I'd thought the term for printed works was 70 years from death even back
then. And in principle an author can re-write/expand/change and release a
new version if and when they feel like it. Getting it *published* is a
slightly different, though. To resolve questions about the
significance/scope of alterations you'd need to look at the details of any
original contract with a publisher.

That said, Creasey - using various names - used to churn out bucketloads of
stories with much the same content for many publishers under various names
for decades. Not sure, but in the end he probably wrote more than Frank
Richards!

Jim

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