Or too big enough?

I have a 64 GB SD card in my Canon DSLR (EOS 1200D) but the crad is not
recognised in System Monitor (Mint, 64-bit)

Forgotten how to enable it innit. Don't get old and forgetful. Really.
Snow fun.

Pointer,anone? (Pretty please)

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 31/10/2023 15:02, RustyHinge wrote:
> Or too big enough?
>
> I have a 64 GB SD card in my Canon DSLR (EOS 1200D) but the crad is not
> recognised in System Monitor (Mint, 64-bit)
>
> Forgotten how to enable it innit. Don't get old and forgetful. Really.
> Snow fun.
>
> Pointer,anone? (Pretty please)
>
>
Your Pooterater is probably too old. The 64 GB cards are known as SDXC,
and your pooter probably only knows about SDHC, which tops out at 32GB.
SDXC cards are not hardware compatible with an SDHC reader.

The simple solution is to buy an external crad reader and plug it into a
USB socket.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 31/10/2023 15:10, John Williamson wrote:
> On 31/10/2023 15:02, RustyHinge wrote:
>> Or too big enough?
>>
>> I have a 64 GB SD card in my Canon DSLR (EOS 1200D) but the crad is not
>> recognised in System Monitor (Mint, 64-bit)
>>
>> Forgotten how to enable it innit. Don't get old and forgetful. Really.
>> Snow fun.
>>
>> Pointer,anone? (Pretty please)
>>
>>
> Your Pooterater is probably too old. The 64 GB cards are known as SDXC,
> and your pooter probably only knows about SDHC, which tops out at 32GB.
> SDXC cards are not hardware compatible with an SDHC reader.
>
> The simple solution is to buy an external crad reader and plug it into a
> USB socket.
>
Ta, but misfortunately *both* the USB slots on my flatpot are borked
until someone moves his jbexsiop to its arj location. $Somewhere$ I have
a plethora and a half of smallerer SD crads. ('Someone' has tidied them
up...)

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in news:kqcjnqFc7qkU1
@mid.individual.net:

> On 31/10/2023 15:02, RustyHinge wrote:
>> Or too big enough?
>>
>> I have a 64 GB SD card in my Canon DSLR (EOS 1200D) but the crad is not
>> recognised in System Monitor (Mint, 64-bit)
>>
>> Forgotten how to enable it innit. Don't get old and forgetful. Really.
>> Snow fun.
>>
>> Pointer,anone? (Pretty please)
>>
>>
> Your Pooterater is probably too old. The 64 GB cards are known as SDXC,
> and your pooter probably only knows about SDHC, which tops out at 32GB.
> SDXC cards are not hardware compatible with an SDHC reader.
>
> The simple solution is to buy an external crad reader and plug it into a
> USB socket.
>

I have an external crad reader. When I pop an SD card into it (usually 32k)
Winoze tells me that it is incorrectly formatted. But I have written a
progyette in Python to read from the reader and dump the contents of the
card into a folder, which it does quite happily while the OS is still
telling me that the crad cannot be read. I have no idea why it works, and
I'm not of a mind to investigate it.

--
Peter
-----

On 31/10/2023 15:48, RustyHinge wrote:

> Ta, but misfortunately *both* the USB slots on my flatpot are borked
> until someone moves his jbexsiop to its arj location. $Somewhere$ I have
> a plethora and a half of smallerer SD crads. ('Someone' has tidied them
> up...)
>
>
The flaptop I've been using for a week or two, since my normal one
borked its screen hinge, is so old it doesn't *have* a card reader...
The USB only just scraped into version 2.0 as well... The only reason I
have it is that it has a Firewire port which talks to my pro quality
camcorders.

I really do need to update to gear which is, hopefully, more reliable.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 31/10/2023 16:14, John Williamson wrote:
> On 31/10/2023 15:48, RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> Ta, but misfortunately *both* the USB slots on my flatpot are borked
>> until someone moves his jbexsiop to its arj location. $Somewhere$ I have
>> a plethora and a half of smallerer SD crads. ('Someone' has tidied  them
>> up...)
>>
>>
> The flaptop I've been using for a week or two, since my normal one
> borked its screen hinge, is so old it doesn't *have* a card reader...
> The USB only just scraped into version 2.0 as well... The only reason I
> have it is that it has a Firewire port which talks to my pro quality
> camcorders.
>
> I really do need to update to gear which is, hopefully, more reliable.
>
Do you want me to 'ask a friend' who has access to such things, pre-loved?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 31/10/2023 17:01, RustyHinge wrote:

>> I really do need to update to gear which is, hopefully, more reliable.
>>
> Do you want me to 'ask a friend' who has access to such things, pre-loved?
>
>
I can keep them going for a while longer, thanks. Most of the more
commonly needed spares are still available, and I am able to repair
them. I'll end up going for a new one at some point...

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:14:15 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> The flaptop I've been using for a week or two, since my normal one
> borked its screen hinge, is so old it doesn't *have* a card reader...
> The USB only just scraped into version 2.0 as well... The only reason I
> have it is that it has a Firewire port which talks to my pro quality
> camcorders.

There are firewire to USB cables, blind bambi if they're any good.

--
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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 31/10/2023 17:38, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:14:15 +0000
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> The flaptop I've been using for a week or two, since my normal one
>> borked its screen hinge, is so old it doesn't *have* a card reader...
>> The USB only just scraped into version 2.0 as well... The only reason I
>> have it is that it has a Firewire port which talks to my pro quality
>> camcorders.
>
> There are firewire to USB cables, blind bambi if they're any good.
>
Luckily, I checked before connecting the cheap one I bought. It could
have wrecked the circuitry either in the camera or on the motherboard.

I need either a PC Express card slot with a firewire port or Thunderbolt
3 connector on the laptop, or I need to use a desktop with a PCI to
Firewire card.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 18:34:15 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 31/10/2023 17:38, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:14:15 +0000
> > John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > There are firewire to USB cables, blind bambi if they're any
> > good.
> >
> Luckily, I checked before connecting the cheap one I bought. It could
> have wrecked the circuitry either in the camera or on the motherboard.

Nasty - how (and what) did you check ?

> I need either a PC Express card slot with a firewire port or Thunderbolt

There are PCIe Firewire cards TAAAW, hopefully better than the
leads.

> 3 connector on the laptop, or I need to use a desktop with a PCI to

Hmm I gooved thunderbolt was only to be found on Macs - and should
be on any sufficiently recent macbook.

> Firewire card.

I haven't seen anything with a PCI bus for a long time (not
counting a few cards that I won't be able to use again), it's all been PCIe
for quite some time.

--
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Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 31/10/2023 20:04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 18:34:15 +0000
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 31/10/2023 17:38, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:14:15 +0000
>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are firewire to USB cables, blind bambi if they're any
>>> good.
>>>
>> Luckily, I checked before connecting the cheap one I bought. It could
>> have wrecked the circuitry either in the camera or on the motherboard.
>
> Nasty - how (and what) did you check ?
>
Checked on line. It turns out the voltages and data formats are not
compatible. Just to make life interesting, some kit with a Firewire
connection uses the USB data format.

There are PCIe Firewire cards TAAAW, hopefully better than the
> leads.
>
I still need to find a chamine with the correct slot, and they are not
at the cheap end of the market. The cards (Both for laptop and desktop
internal use) are fully compliant.

>> 3 connector on the laptop, or I need to use a desktop with a PCI to
>
> Hmm I gooved thunderbolt was only to be found on Macs - and should
> be on any sufficiently recent macbook.
>
Some Wintel USB-C sockets can deal with it, using an adaptor, then you
need the Thunderbolt to Firewire adaptor...

>> Firewire card.
>
> I haven't seen anything with a PCI bus for a long time (not
> counting a few cards that I won't be able to use again), it's all been PCIe
> for quite some time.
>
They do seem to have shifted to that format, time and standards move on...

I've got a mini PC lurking somewhere, I'll have to see what slots it's
got, if any. I've not seen it for a year or two. All I need to do then
is persuade the HDMI TV to speak to its VGA output... I've not seen the
VGA monitor or the HDMI converter box for longer than the PC's been lurking.

In the meantime, I have now managed to make one good machine out of the
two dead ones, so I now have two working firewire machines, and the
spares to repair the now completely dead one are available for a price.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:27:21 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> I still need to find a chamine with the correct slot, and they are not
> at the cheap end of the market.

Refurbished office PCs tend to be good value for reasonably recent
technology, also more reliable than most, you can often get them with or
without discs and/or RAM if you have suitable components to hand. But FWSE
the model for full specs rather than believing the description, mistakes
get made. The older they get the more keen the sellers are to get the last
ones shifted so the price goes way down for older machines. I tend to do a
price sort then stop when I find the spec I need - or sometimes a little
further on.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 22:02:06 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:27:21 +0000
>John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> I still need to find a chamine with the correct slot, and they are not
>> at the cheap end of the market.
>
> Refurbished office PCs tend to be good value for reasonably recent
>technology, also more reliable than most, you can often get them with or
>without discs and/or RAM if you have suitable components to hand. But FWSE
>the model for full specs rather than believing the description, mistakes
>get made. The older they get the more keen the sellers are to get the last
>ones shifted so the price goes way down for older machines. I tend to do a
>price sort then stop when I find the spec I need - or sometimes a little
>further on.

Here's the Toronto re-seller where I bought my recent laptop -
- the prices seem pretty good to me -
I was just curious about UK price comparison ..

https://www.infotechcomputers.ca/product-category/refurbished-laptops/

John T.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 18:39:18 -0400
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> Here's the Toronto re-seller where I bought my recent laptop -
> - the prices seem pretty good to me -
> I was just curious about UK price comparison ..
>
> https://www.infotechcomputers.ca/product-category/refurbished-laptops/

It doesn't like me - "Sorry you have been blocked". I haven't
bought a laptop in ages but these are pretty typical Irish prices:

https://www.refurbed.ie/c/laptops/

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 23:21:08 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 18:39:18 -0400
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> Here's the Toronto re-seller where I bought my recent laptop -
>> - the prices seem pretty good to me -
>> I was just curious about UK price comparison ..
>>
>> https://www.infotechcomputers.ca/product-category/refurbished-laptops/
>
> It doesn't like me - "Sorry you have been blocked". I haven't
>bought a laptop in ages but these are pretty typical Irish prices:
>
>https://www.refurbed.ie/c/laptops/

526 Euro :
Lenovo ThinkPad T480s i7-8650U 16 GB 480 GB SSD Win 10 Pro

$ 370. Canadian :
Lenovo Thinkpad T480s i7-8650U 16GB RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD Win11 Pro

526 Euros will get you $ 747. Canadian

ie : half price .. ?
Hard to believe, in this global marketplace ?
John T.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:54:42 -0400
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> 526 Euro :
> Lenovo ThinkPad T480s i7-8650U 16 GB 480 GB SSD Win 10 Pro
>
> $ 370. Canadian :
> Lenovo Thinkpad T480s i7-8650U 16GB RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD Win11 Pro
>
> 526 Euros will get you $ 747. Canadian
>
> ie : half price .. ?
> Hard to believe, in this global marketplace ?

I wish I could say I was surprised by this but it's an old story.
Back when the pound would ohl two US dollars the computer adverts in US
magazines and UK magazines tended to be identical apart from the currency
symbol.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Could it be that its not formatted correctly. I also read an article the
other day which said that many solid state memory devices can store more
than on value per location and all encoded and decoded by firmware in the
device, but they can be upset by mistakes caused by the card read/write
hardware.
Lets hope none of the data that is used every day in this world uses this
less than robust technology!
Brian

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"RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uhr4th$138ia$1@dont-email.me...
> Or too big enough?
>
> I have a 64 GB SD card in my Canon DSLR (EOS 1200D) but the crad is not
> recognised in System Monitor (Mint, 64-bit)
>
> Forgotten how to enable it innit. Don't get old and forgetful. Really.
> Snow fun.
>
> Pointer,anone? (Pretty please)
>
>
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.
>

That is a subject on its own. I have to employ people who put things back
where they find them, since without sight these things could have been
teleported to another dimension if they get moved.
Brian

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"RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uhr7jt$13sjv$1@dont-email.me...
> On 31/10/2023 15:10, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 31/10/2023 15:02, RustyHinge wrote:
>>> Or too big enough?
>>>
>>> I have a 64 GB SD card in my Canon DSLR (EOS 1200D) but the crad is not
>>> recognised in System Monitor (Mint, 64-bit)
>>>
>>> Forgotten how to enable it innit. Don't get old and forgetful. Really.
>>> Snow fun.
>>>
>>> Pointer,anone? (Pretty please)
>>>
>>>
>> Your Pooterater is probably too old. The 64 GB cards are known as SDXC,
>> and your pooter probably only knows about SDHC, which tops out at 32GB.
>> SDXC cards are not hardware compatible with an SDHC reader.
>>
>> The simple solution is to buy an external crad reader and plug it into a
>> USB socket.
>>
> Ta, but misfortunately *both* the USB slots on my flatpot are borked until
> someone moves his jbexsiop to its arj location. $Somewhere$ I have a
> plethora and a half of smallerer SD crads. ('Someone' has tidied them
> up...)
>
>
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.

On 01/11/2023 08:36, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:54:42 -0400
> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> 526 Euro :
>> Lenovo ThinkPad T480s i7-8650U 16 GB 480 GB SSD Win 10 Pro
>>
>> $ 370. Canadian :
>> Lenovo Thinkpad T480s i7-8650U 16GB RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD Win11 Pro
>>
>> 526 Euros will get you $ 747. Canadian
>>
>> ie : half price .. ?
>> Hard to believe, in this global marketplace ?
>
> I wish I could say I was surprised by this but it's an old story.
> Back when the pound would ohl two US dollars the computer adverts in US
> magazines and UK magazines tended to be identical apart from the currency
> symbol.
>
I still think of the dollar as four to the pound...

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 01/11/2023 10:39, Brian Gaff wrote:

> Could it be that its not formatted correctly.

No: works fine in the camera. Just it's SDXC and laptop was bought
pre-loved ten or fifteen ears ago.

> I also read an article the
> other day which said that many solid state memory devices can store more
> than on value per location and all encoded and decoded by firmware in the
> device, but they can be upset by mistakes caused by the card read/write
> hardware.
> Lets hope none of the data that is used every day in this world uses this
> less than robust technology!
> Brian
>

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 01/11/2023 10:53, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 01/11/2023 08:36, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:54:42 -0400
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>>     526  Euro  :
>>> Lenovo ThinkPad T480s  i7-8650U   16 GB  480 GB SSD  Win 10 Pro
>>>
>>>     $ 370.  Canadian  :
>>> Lenovo Thinkpad T480s  i7-8650U 16GB RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD Win11 Pro
>>>
>>>    526  Euros    will get you    $ 747.  Canadian
>>>
>>>    ie :   half price  .. ?
>>>   Hard to believe,  in this global marketplace  ?
>>
>>     I wish I could say I was surprised by this but it's an old story.
>> Back when the pound would ohl two US dollars the computer adverts in US
>> magazines and UK magazines tended to be identical apart from the currency
>> symbol.
>>
> I still think of the dollar as four to the pound...
>
Me too.
My (American) aunt would send me one dollar for Christmas/birthday each
year. As a child I struggled to understand why I got more l.s.d. for my
buck as the years went on - even though I could buy less with it!

Chris
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 10:39:33 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lets hope none of the data that is used every day in this world uses
> this less than robust technology!

Most commercial data storage is on NVMe SSD based RAID (or other
redundant storage mechanisms such as OneFS or ZFS) for performance with the
backups on spinning rust for economy. The biggest cause of data loss is
ransomware attacks not drive failures.

--
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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Top end enterprise storage still uses single bits per cell. Almost all
stuff you have at home ranging from the SD card in your camera to the
SSD in your computer uses multi level cells, which used to store 1 bit
per cell in the very early days, but which now store up to 4 bits (16
values) per cell.

On 01/11/2023 10:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Could it be that its not formatted correctly. I also read an article the
> other day which said that many solid state memory devices can store more
> than on value per location and all encoded and decoded by firmware in the
> device, but they can be upset by mistakes caused by the card read/write
> hardware.
> Lets hope none of the data that is used every day in this world uses this
> less than robust technology!
> Brian
>

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 08:36:37 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:54:42 -0400
>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> 526 Euro :
>> Lenovo ThinkPad T480s i7-8650U 16 GB 480 GB SSD Win 10 Pro
>>
>> $ 370. Canadian :
>> Lenovo Thinkpad T480s i7-8650U 16GB RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD Win11 Pro
>>
>> 526 Euros will get you $ 747. Canadian
>>
>> ie : half price .. ?
>> Hard to believe, in this global marketplace ?
>
> I wish I could say I was surprised by this but it's an old story.
>Back when the pound would ohl two US dollars the computer adverts in US
>magazines and UK magazines tended to be identical apart from the currency
>symbol.

And the Canuck Buck is only worth about 70 cents US ..
... so it makes things look even worser.
John T.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 12:46:35 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Top end enterprise storage still uses single bits per cell.

There is now enterprise grade MLC but I think it's only two bits
per cell. It's hard to stay up to date unless you're at the sharp end of
buying the kit. Even when I jbesed at Isilon I was never sure of the specs
or makeup of the latest nodes never mind what anyone else was using - they
were always fruitier than I gooved. I did come across "NVMe over fabric"
with NVMe protocol running across 40Gb and 100Gb network links so that
drives could be linked to VMs "directly".

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