On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 09:26:51 -0400
hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

> And the Canuck Buck is only worth about 70 cents US ..
> .. so it makes things look even worser.

Sure but the doubling of price as it crosses the Atlantic seems to
be pretty solid since around 1980 at least.

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In article <jbk4kilso4tqnnplpu3ct3u8qqvu9qhskq@4ax.com>,
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 09:26:51 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 08:36:37 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
><steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:54:42 -0400
>>hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> 526 Euro :
>>> Lenovo ThinkPad T480s i7-8650U 16 GB 480 GB SSD Win 10 Pro
>>>
>>> $ 370. Canadian :
>>> Lenovo Thinkpad T480s i7-8650U 16GB RAM, 256GB NVMe SSD Win11 Pro
>>>
>>> 526 Euros will get you $ 747. Canadian
>>>
>>> ie : half price .. ?
>>> Hard to believe, in this global marketplace ?
>>
>> I wish I could say I was surprised by this but it's an old story.
>>Back when the pound would ohl two US dollars the computer adverts in US
>>magazines and UK magazines tended to be identical apart from the currency
>>symbol.
>
>
> And the Canuck Buck is only worth about 70 cents US ..
>.. so it makes things look even worser.
> John T.
You tweaked my interest and set me wondering when did Canada adopt a
decimalised currency. I discovered that it was in the middle of the 19th
century, unlike Australia that adopted a decimalised dollar not very
long before the UK decimalised in the second half of the 20th Century.

I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver*
on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
(l)oonie coin.

* My second favourite bird after the 0sterc@tcher. The call of the GND
is enough to spook anyone.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver*
> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
> (l)oonie coin.
>
> * My second favourite bird after the 0sterc@tcher. The call of the GND
> is enough to spook anyone.
>

Huh.

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In article <1qjiwu6.1xuagujp7lv0bN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>, Sn!pe
<snipeco.2@gmail.com> on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 15:40:08 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver*
>> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
>> (l)oonie coin.
>>
>> * My second favourite bird after the 0sterc@tcher. The call of the GND
>> is enough to spook anyone.
>>
>
>Huh.
>
Well it seems to have spooked a Sn!pe
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> unlike Australia that adopted a decimalised dollar not very
> long before the UK decimalised in the second half of the 20th Century.

I remember there being some discussion of calling the Australian
decimal currency unit the quid - I rather wish they'd gone for it.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote
> >Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver*
> >> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
> >> (l)oonie coin.
> >>
> >> * My second favourite bird after the 0sterc@tcher. The call of the GND
> >> is enough to spook anyone.
> >
> > Huh.
>
> Well it seems to have spooked a Sn!pe

[struts off, beek in the air]

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My pet rock Gordon just is.

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On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-5, Sn!pe wrote:
> Nicholas D. Richards <nich...@salmiron.com> wrote:
> > Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote
> > >Nicholas D. Richards <nich...@salmiron.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver*
> > >> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
> > >> (l)oonie coin.
> > >>
> > >> * My second favourite bird after the 0sterc@tcher. The call of the GND
> > >> is enough to spook anyone.
> > >
> > > Huh.
> >
> > Well it seems to have spooked a Sn!pe
> [struts off, beek in the air]
> --
> ^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator.
> My pet rock Gordon just is.
>
> No Google Groups articles seen unless poster is whitelisted.

Has the Shed (supposedly a haven for oppressed people) considered that if it receives google groups output text from someone using Google groups that you're able to read it perfectly and then y'all complain back to the person they are not to use Google groups when you yourself have read the Google group text perfectly and it's just basically from what I can see a prejudice against google groups just like y'all might have a prejudice against say African people .it's really sickening. Have a nice day. eat more pecans.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:37:24 PM UTC-5, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:43:36 AM UTC-5, Sn!pe wrote:
> > Nicholas D. Richards <nich...@salmiron.com> wrote:
> > > Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote
> > > >Nicholas D. Richards <nich...@salmiron.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver*
> > > >> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
> > > >> (l)oonie coin.
> > > >>
> > > >> * My second favourite bird after the 0sterc@tcher. The call of the GND
> > > >> is enough to spook anyone.
> > > >
> > > > Huh.
> > >
> > > Well it seems to have spooked a Sn!pe
> > [struts off, beek in the air]
> > --
> > ^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator.
> > My pet rock Gordon just is.
> >
> > No Google Groups articles seen unless poster is whitelisted.
> Has the Shed (supposedly a haven for oppressed people) considered that if it receives google groups output text from someone using Google groups that you're able to read it perfectly and then y'all complain back to the person they are not to use Google groups when you yourself have read the Google group text perfectly and it's just basically from what I can see a prejudice against google groups just like y'all might have a prejudice against say African people .it's really sickening. Have a nice day. eat more pecans.

so snippy bird
you're prejudiced against blacks since you'll only deal with whitelisted people
I always knew it.
I won't deal with any kind of racial prejudice person. You have a nice day and eat more pecans.

On 01/11/2023 15:40, Sn!pe wrote:
> Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver*
>> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
>> (l)oonie coin.
>>
>> * My second favourite bird after the 0sterc@tcher. The call of the GND
>> is enough to spook anyone.
>>
>
> Huh.
>

I didn't know Sn!pe went 'Huh'.

Tone

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000, "Nicholas D. Richards"
<nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

>
>I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver
>on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
>(l)oonie coin.
>

When the Toonie first arrived, the joke that soon followed was

" Hey, do you want to see The Queen's bare behind ? "

https://dailyhive.com/canada/new-toonie-honours-queen-elizabeth

< bear behind >
John T.

Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:

> On 01/11/2023 15:40, Sn!pe wrote:
> > Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver*
> >> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
> >> (l)oonie coin.
> >>
> >> * My second favourite bird after the 0sterc@tcher. The call of the GND
> >> is enough to spook anyone.
> >>
> >
> > Huh.
> >
>
> I didn't know Sn!pe went 'Huh'.
>

We've been known to go 'Harrumph" when disturbed.

--
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My pet rock Gordon just is.

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hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:

> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000, "Nicholas D. Richards"
> <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver
>> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
>> (l)oonie coin.

Now rarely mentioned if not wholly forgotten is that when the $1 coin
was about to replace the $1 bill, the finished and fully approved dies
were lost in transit, never AFAIK to be recovered.

The result was to replace the original image of voyageurs (presumably
French persons) with one of the loon. One version or another of a
voyageur dollar had long been in circulation in Canada prior to the
loonie but so rarely used that I've never seen one.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <20231101160458.676f2e906fd2182380a65509@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 16:04:58 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> unlike Australia that adopted a decimalised dollar not very
>> long before the UK decimalised in the second half of the 20th Century.
>
> I remember there being some discussion of calling the Australian
>decimal currency unit the quid - I rather wish they'd gone for it.
>
The Australian dollar was introduced at a rate of 2 dollars to the pound
so your replacement cent was worth 1.2d, closer to the penny than the
UK's somewhat expensive (for the consumer) effort.

As I remember it, the Australian PM announced that the new unit would be
called 'The Royal'. That went down like a lead balloon with your Ocka.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 2023-11-01, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 01/11/2023 08:36, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:54:42 -0400
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> 526 Euro :
>>> Lenovo ThinkPad T480s i7-8650U 16 GB 480 GB SSD Win 10 Pro
>>>
>>
> I still think of the dollar as four to the pound...
>
Large parts of ireland worked mostly on dollars. five shilling was taken
to be dollar (as you wrote), and 2/6 was a half dollar. I remember pint
of stout was 1/6.. Someone travelling abroad (Cambodia) wanted to know
what to bring, i recommended dollars, unless central Africe, where old
Austrian money (printed in London) is still used. !947 was the last
silver english money I ever saw, although there was a printed line on
Irish pounds saying "One pound sterling payable to the bearer when presented in
London."

--
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BringBack(Bonking)Boris..

In article <k445kitubc8mannqu459lg602q77vr33rf@4ax.com>,
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 13:56:03 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000, "Nicholas D. Richards"
><nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver
>>on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
>>(l)oonie coin.
>>
>
>
>When the Toonie first arrived, the joke that soon followed was
>
>" Hey, do you want to see The Queen's bare behind ? "
>
>https://dailyhive.com/canada/new-toonie-honours-queen-elizabeth
>
> < bear behind >
> John T.
This is fast becoming a pantomime.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 01 Nov 2023 18:08:36 -0300, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>
>hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:
>
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000, "Nicholas D. Richards"
>> <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was fascinated to find that the buck coin has a Great Northern Diver
>>> on the back and hence it is known as a 'loonie'. The 'toonie' is a t(wo)
>>> (l)oonie coin.
>
>Now rarely mentioned if not wholly forgotten is that when the $1 coin
>was about to replace the $1 bill, the finished and fully approved dies
>were lost in transit, never AFAIK to be recovered.
>
>The result was to replace the original image of voyageurs (presumably
>French persons) with one of the loon. One version or another of a
>voyageur dollar had long been in circulation in Canada prior to the
>loonie but so rarely used that I've never seen one.

I well remember the silver dollars - 1967 was the last year of
actual silver. These coins were being hoarded at that time
because of the silver content.
< dimes, quarters, 50 cent coins also >
< nickels were nickel ; coppers were still copper fwiw >
Today the silver dollars sell for about $ 30.
They are a big heavy coin - it's a wonder they survived
as long as they did - in the days of $ 1. & $ 2. bills.

I stand corrected by wiki on a couple points :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyageur_dollar

John T.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 21:32:45 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <k445kitubc8mannqu459lg602q77vr33rf@4ax.com>,
> hubops@ccanoemail.com on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 13:56:03 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
> >On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000, "Nicholas D. Richards"
> ><nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> >
> >When the Toonie first arrived, the joke that soon followed was
> >
> >" Hey, do you want to see The Queen's bare behind ? "
> >
> >https://dailyhive.com/canada/new-toonie-honours-queen-elizabeth
> >
> > < bear behind >
> > John T.
> This is fast becoming a pantomime.

OH NO IT ISN'T

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 1 Nov 2023 21:36:11 GMT
maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:

> Large parts of ireland worked mostly on dollars. five shilling was taken
> to be dollar (as you wrote), and 2/6 was a half dollar.

That would be 60s/70s sort of period ? That's the usage I grew up
with in Cambridge some fortnights back.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20231101160458.676f2e906fd2182380a65509@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 16:04:58 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000
> >"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> >
> >> unlike Australia that adopted a decimalised dollar not very
> >> long before the UK decimalised in the second half of the 20th Century.
> >
> > I remember there being some discussion of calling the Australian
> >decimal currency unit the quid - I rather wish they'd gone for it.
> >
> The Australian dollar was introduced at a rate of 2 dollars to the pound
> so your replacement cent was worth 1.2d, closer to the penny than the
> UK's somewhat expensive (for the consumer) effort.
>

IIRC we did have 1/2 new penny coins for a while and the old sixpence
became 2 1/2 new pence.

>
> As I remember it, the Australian PM announced that the new unit would be
> called 'The Royal'. That went down like a lead balloon with your Ocka.
>

Bloody Oath, Mate!

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In article <20231101225659.d52c48ccaa79cefa2844ccf4@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 22:56:59 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 21:32:45 +0000
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <k445kitubc8mannqu459lg602q77vr33rf@4ax.com>,
>> hubops@ccanoemail.com on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 13:56:03 awoke Nicholas
>> from his slumbers and wrote
>> >On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000, "Nicholas D. Richards"
>> ><nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >When the Toonie first arrived, the joke that soon followed was
>> >
>> >" Hey, do you want to see The Queen's bare behind ? "
>> >
>> >https://dailyhive.com/canada/new-toonie-honours-queen-elizabeth
>> >
>> > < bear behind >
>> > John T.
>> This is fast becoming a pantomime.
>
>OH NO IT ISN'T
>
Oh yes it is. Oh, and there is a bear behind you.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 01/11/2023 23:37, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <20231101225659.d52c48ccaa79cefa2844ccf4@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 22:56:59 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 21:32:45 +0000
>> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <k445kitubc8mannqu459lg602q77vr33rf@4ax.com>,
>>> hubops@ccanoemail.com on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 13:56:03 awoke Nicholas
>>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000, "Nicholas D. Richards"
>>>> <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When the Toonie first arrived, the joke that soon followed was
>>>>
>>>> " Hey, do you want to see The Queen's bare behind ?"
>>>>
>>>> https://dailyhive.com/canada/new-toonie-honours-queen-elizabeth
>>>>
>>>> < bear behind >
>>>> John T.
>>> This is fast becoming a pantomime.
>>
>> OH NO IT ISN'T
>>
> Oh yes it is. Oh, and there is a bear behind you.
>
<Exit, pursued by a bear>

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> On 01/11/2023 23:37, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> > In article <20231101225659.d52c48ccaa79cefa2844ccf4@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> > Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 22:56:59 awoke
> > Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 21:32:45 +0000
> >> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <k445kitubc8mannqu459lg602q77vr33rf@4ax.com>,
> >>> hubops@ccanoemail.com on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 13:56:03 awoke Nicholas
> >>> from his slumbers and wrote
> >>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 15:26:47 +0000, "Nicholas D. Richards"
> >>>> <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> When the Toonie first arrived, the joke that soon followed was
> >>>>
> >>>> " Hey, do you want to see The Queen's bare behind ?"
> >>>>
> >>>> https://dailyhive.com/canada/new-toonie-honours-queen-elizabeth
> >>>>
> >>>> < bear behind >
> >>>> John T.
> >>> This is fast becoming a pantomime.
> >>
> >> OH NO IT ISN'T
> >>
> > Oh yes it is. Oh, and there is a bear behind you.
> >
> <Exit, pursued by a bear>

If you're going to the woods, don't forget your rabbit.

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hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:

> Today the silver dollars sell for about $ 30.
> They are a big heavy coin - it's a wonder they survived
> as long as they did - in the days of $ 1. & $ 2. bills.

In 1959, I was given, as a birthday gift to pay for a driver training
course, $60 in real US silver dollars. Foolishly, I used them for
that purpose rather than squirreling them away. Even aside from the
possibility that one or more of them might have been "rare" issues,
would I be ahead better than with same money in the bank? Or just
kept up with ca. 600% inflation?

At that time, I occasionally got US siver dollars from the bank for my
minimal teen-aged spending just to be eccentric. I had at least one
case of a store refusing to take one for a quotidian transaction --
they were that rarely seen in common use.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On 2023-11-01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 1 Nov 2023 21:36:11 GMT
> maus <maus@deb2.org> wrote:
>
>> Large parts of ireland worked mostly on dollars. five shilling was taken
>> to be dollar (as you wrote), and 2/6 was a half dollar.
>
> That would be 60s/70s sort of period ? That's the usage I grew up
> with in Cambridge some fortnights back.
>

Yes. some time ago. I picked up some currency, specially S/American
stuff over the years. Useless, mostly, though is all cards now, cash, as
in coins is too heavy for tracksuit bottoms now. We are doomed, I tell
you, doomed.

--
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BringBack(Bonking)Boris..

Not been my experience, but then nobody would be very interested in my data
in any case.My first SSD which was one of those like a mega sized chip,
failed and lost everything. Luckily, as you say I keep a weekly back up on
rust.
Brian

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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 10:39:33 -0000
> "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lets hope none of the data that is used every day in this world uses
>> this less than robust technology!
>
> Most commercial data storage is on NVMe SSD based RAID (or other
> redundant storage mechanisms such as OneFS or ZFS) for performance with
> the
> backups on spinning rust for economy. The biggest cause of data loss is
> ransomware attacks not drive failures.
>
> --
> Steve O'Hara-Smith
> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
> Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
> Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency