On 8/08/2021 10:40 am, Dechucka wrote:
> On 8/08/2021 10:22 am, Max wrote:
>> On 5/08/2021 9:29 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution
>>> and laws are our rules
>>>
>>
>> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
>
> No it isn't since Gough, in 1973 she became "Elizabeth the Second, by
> the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and
> Territories, Head of the Commonwealth" The Australia Act confirmed that
> Britain was a foreign country and this was confirmed by the High Court
> in Sue v Hill.

Yep, that's exactly what I said. Australia is a dominion of Elizabeth
the Second.

On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 10:22:57 +1000, Max posted:-

> On 5/08/2021 9:29 pm, Dechucka wrote:
> > snip
> >
> >>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now
> >>
> >> Wrong, as always.
> > Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution
> > and laws are our rules
> >
>
> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
>

Does she still own the swans here as well?

On 8/08/2021 11:20 am, Max wrote:
> On 8/08/2021 10:40 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 8/08/2021 10:22 am, Max wrote:
>>> On 5/08/2021 9:29 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution
>>>> and laws are our rules
>>>>
>>>
>>> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
>>
>> No it isn't since Gough, in 1973 she became "Elizabeth the Second, by
>> the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and
>> Territories, Head of the Commonwealth" The Australia Act confirmed
>> that Britain was a foreign country and this was confirmed by the High
>> Court in Sue v Hill.
>
> Yep, that's exactly what I said. Australia is a dominion of Elizabeth
> the Second.

On that basis Australia is also a dominion of the Canada, New Zealand,
Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, The Bahamas, Belize, Grenada, Jamaica,
Papua New Guinea, Saint Lucia, Solomon Islands, St Kitts and Nevis, St
Vincent and the Grenadine etc as we have the same Queen.

On 8/08/2021 11:21 am, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 10:22:57 +1000, Max posted:-
>
>> On 5/08/2021 9:29 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution
>>> and laws are our rules
>>>
>>
>> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
>>
>
> Does she still own the swans here as well?
>
Isn't that only on the Thames?

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Dechucka wrote

>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now

>>> Wrong, as always.

>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution and
>> laws are our rules

> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.

Nope, we have our own queen who happens to
also be the queen of some other countrys as well.

She doesn’t even get any say on whether we stop having a king or queen.

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Dechucka wrote
>> Max wrote
>>> Dechucka wrote

>>>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now

>>>>> Wrong, as always.

>>>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution
>>>> and laws are our rules
>>>>
>>>
>>> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
>>
>> No it isn't since Gough, in 1973 she became "Elizabeth the Second, by
>> the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and
>> Territories, Head of the Commonwealth" The Australia Act confirmed that
>> Britain was a foreign country and this was confirmed by the High Court
>> in Sue v Hill.
>
> Yep, that's exactly what I said.

Nope.

> Australia is a dominion of Elizabeth the Second.

Nope, we have chosen to have that silly little parasite as out queen
and likely will give big ears the bums rush when he gets to be king.

Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
> James Last plays in Miami wrote
>> Max wrote
>>> Dechucka wrote

>>>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution
>>>> and laws are our rules
>>>>
>>>
>>> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
>>>
>>
>> Does she still own the swans here as well?
>>
> Isn't that only on the Thames?

Nope, just some of them in england
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_Upping

On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 10:40:44 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 8/08/2021 10:22 am, Max wrote:
>> On 5/08/2021 9:29 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution and
>>> laws are our rules
>>>
>>
>> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
>
>No it isn't since Gough, in 1973 she became "Elizabeth the Second, by
>the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and
>Territories, Head of the Commonwealth" The Australia Act confirmed that
>Britain was a foreign country and this was confirmed by the High Court
>in Sue v Hill.

Whitlam government was sacked for treason
--
Petzl

The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with
"petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
https://is.gd/IzhkxL

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 21:52:27 +1000, Petzl posted:-

> Whitlam government was sacked for treason

Whitlam was not sacked for treason, you keep repeating this great lie.

Kerr removed Whitlam because Whitlam could not guarantee supply.

On 8/08/2021 9:52 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 10:40:44 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/08/2021 10:22 am, Max wrote:
>>> On 5/08/2021 9:29 pm, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our Constitution and
>>>> laws are our rules
>>>>
>>>
>>> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
>>
>> No it isn't since Gough, in 1973 she became "Elizabeth the Second, by
>> the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and
>> Territories, Head of the Commonwealth" The Australia Act confirmed that
>> Britain was a foreign country and this was confirmed by the High Court
>> in Sue v Hill.
>
> Whitlam government was sacked for treason
>

You posted before that he didn't commit treason against Australia but
was set-up by the poms and septics.

On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 22:11:30 +1000, Dechucka posted:-

> On 8/08/2021 9:52 pm, Petzl wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 10:40:44 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/08/2021 10:22 am, Max wrote:
> >>> On 5/08/2021 9:29 pm, Dechucka wrote:
> >>>> snip
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Irrelevant. We are our own country now
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wrong, as always.
> >>>> Oh no you've gone pez, we are our own country and our
> >>>> Constitution and laws are our rules
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Australia is a actually still dominion of the British monarch.
> >>
> >> No it isn't since Gough, in 1973 she became "Elizabeth the Second,
> >> by the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and
> >> Territories, Head of the Commonwealth" The Australia Act confirmed
> >> that Britain was a foreign country and this was confirmed by the
> >> High Court in Sue v Hill.
> >
> > Whitlam government was sacked for treason
> >
>
> You posted before that he didn't commit treason against Australia but
> was set-up by the poms and septics.
>

Was set up by his own stupidity and naivety,too trusting and
incompetent subordinates in Cabinet.

pretzl who has no logic whatsoever puked:

......................................................................
>
> Whitlam government was sacked for treason
>
** Wrong way around.

The infamous dismissal was in and of itself an act of * treason *

....... Phil

On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 06:35:26 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

> pretzl who has no logic whatsoever puked:
>.....................................................................
>>
>> Whitlam government was sacked for treason
>>
>** Wrong way around.
>
>The infamous dismissal was in and of itself an act of * treason *
>...... Phil
>
As Winston Churchill once said;
The Monarchy is important, not for the power it wields,
but for the power it denies others
>
--
Petzl

The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with
"petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
https://is.gd/IzhkxL

On Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:29:12 +1000, Petzl posted:-

> The Monarchy is important, not for the power it wields,
> but for the power it denies others

As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?

On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 10:09:45 +1000, James Last plays in Miami <no
spam@no spam.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:29:12 +1000, Petzl posted:-
>
>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power it wields,
>> but for the power it denies others
>
>As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?
>
You sure about that.

The Governor General gets his orders, if any from the Queen, the UK
government orders the Queen, the USA order the UK government.
Whitlam was found to be getting rid of all the above.
<https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence>
https://is.gd/PwGvA4
When Whitlam was re-elected for a second term, in 1974, the White
House sent Marshall Green to Canberra as ambassador. Green was an
imperious, sinister figure who worked in the shadows of America’s
“deep state”. Known as “the coupmaster”, he had played a central role
in the 1965 coup against President Sukarno in Indonesia – which cost
up to a million lives. One of his first speeches in Australia, to the
Australian Institute of Directors, was described by an alarmed member
of the audience as “an incitement to the country’s business leaders to
rise against the government”.

The Americans and British worked together. In 1975, Whitlam discovered
that Britain’s MI6 was operating against his government. “The Brits
were actually decoding secret messages coming into my foreign affairs
office,” he said later.
--
Petzl

The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with
"petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
https://is.gd/IzhkxL

On 9/08/2021 10:37 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 10:09:45 +1000, James Last plays in Miami <no
> spam@no spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:29:12 +1000, Petzl posted:-
>>
>>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power it wields,
>>> but for the power it denies others
>>
>> As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?
>>
> You sure about that.

I am I've read the 'Palace letters'
>
> The Governor General gets his orders, if any from the Queen,

Actually s/he gets them from the executive

the UK
> government orders the Queen, the USA order the UK government.
> Whitlam was found to be getting rid of all the above.
> <https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence>
> https://is.gd/PwGvA4
> When Whitlam was re-elected for a second term, in 1974, the White
> House sent Marshall Green to Canberra as ambassador. Green was an
> imperious, sinister figure who worked in the shadows of America’s
> “deep state”. Known as “the coupmaster”, he had played a central role
> in the 1965 coup against President Sukarno in Indonesia – which cost
> up to a million lives. One of his first speeches in Australia, to the
> Australian Institute of Directors, was described by an alarmed member
> of the audience as “an incitement to the country’s business leaders to
> rise against the government”.
>
> The Americans and British worked together. In 1975, Whitlam discovered
> that Britain’s MI6 was operating against his government. “The Brits
> were actually decoding secret messages coming into my foreign affairs
> office,” he said later.
>

On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 10:42:28 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/08/2021 10:37 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 10:09:45 +1000, James Last plays in Miami <no
>> spam@no spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:29:12 +1000, Petzl posted:-
>>>
>>>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power it wields,
>>>> but for the power it denies others
>>>
>>> As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?
>>>
>> You sure about that.
>
>I am I've read the 'Palace letters'

Not from the Queen to the GG only from her Private secretary
>>
>> The Governor General gets his orders, if any from the Queen,
>
>Actually s/he gets them from the executive
>
> the UK
>> government orders the Queen, the USA order the UK government.
>> Whitlam was found to be getting rid of all the above.
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence>
>> https://is.gd/PwGvA4
>> When Whitlam was re-elected for a second term, in 1974, the White
>> House sent Marshall Green to Canberra as ambassador. Green was an
>> imperious, sinister figure who worked in the shadows of America’s
>> “deep state”. Known as “the coupmaster”, he had played a central role
>> in the 1965 coup against President Sukarno in Indonesia – which cost
>> up to a million lives. One of his first speeches in Australia, to the
>> Australian Institute of Directors, was described by an alarmed member
>> of the audience as “an incitement to the country’s business leaders to
>> rise against the government”.
>>
>> The Americans and British worked together. In 1975, Whitlam discovered
>> that Britain’s MI6 was operating against his government. “The Brits
>> were actually decoding secret messages coming into my foreign affairs
>> office,” he said later.
>>
--
Petzl

The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with
"petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
https://is.gd/IzhkxL

On 9/08/2021 11:40 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 10:42:28 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/08/2021 10:37 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 10:09:45 +1000, James Last plays in Miami <no
>>> spam@no spam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:29:12 +1000, Petzl posted:-
>>>>
>>>>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power it wields,
>>>>> but for the power it denies others
>>>>
>>>> As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?
>>>>
>>> You sure about that.
>>
>> I am I've read the 'Palace letters'
>
> Not from the Queen to the GG only from her Private secretary

So there was secret correspondence that only you know about and what is
in them.

snip

James Last plays in Miami <no spam@no spam.com> wrote
> Petzl wrote
>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power
>> it wields, but for the power it denies others
> As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?

She does get to decide who forms govt
when the result of the election is very close.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> James Last plays in Miami <no spam@no spam.com> wrote
>> Petzl wrote

>>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power
>>> it wields, but for the power it denies others

>> As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?

> You sure about that.

> The Governor General gets his orders, if any from the Queen,

Its much more complicated than that.

> the UK government orders the Queen,

But Liz gets to decide who is the govt if the election is close.

> the USA order the UK government.

Bullshit it does.

> Whitlam was found to be getting rid of all the above.

Bullshit he was.

> <https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence>
> https://is.gd/PwGvA4
> When Whitlam was re-elected for a second term, in 1974, the White
> House sent Marshall Green to Canberra as ambassador. Green was
> an imperious, sinister figure who worked in the shadows of America's
> "deep state". Known as "the coupmaster", he had played a central role
> in the 1965 coup against President Sukarno in Indonesia - which cost
> up to a million lives. One of his first speeches in Australia, to the
> Australian Institute of Directors, was described by an alarmed member
> of the audience as "an incitement to the country's business leaders to
> rise against the government".

But had nothing to do with Kerr sacking Whitless before Whitless sacked
Kerr.

> The Americans and British worked together.

On some stuff they did, on plenty like Vietnam, they didn't.

> In 1975, Whitlam discovered that Britain's
> MI6 was operating against his government.

Bullshit he did.

> "The Brits were actually decoding secret messages
> coming into my foreign affairs office," he said later.

Doesn't mean they had anything to do with his sacking.

On 9/08/2021 12:15 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> James Last plays in Miami <no spam@no spam.com> wrote
>> Petzl wrote
>
>>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power it wields, but for the
>>> power it denies others
>
>> As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?
>
> She does get to decide who forms govt when the result of the election is
> very close.

How close?

On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 14:14:30 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

>On 9/08/2021 12:15 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> James Last plays in Miami <no spam@no spam.com> wrote
>>> Petzl wrote
>>
>>>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power it wields, but for the
>>>> power it denies others
>>
>>> As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?
>>
>> She does get to decide who forms govt when the result of the election is
>> very close.
>
>How close?

When there is not enough house votes to elect a PM.
--
Petzl
Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Mon, 09 Aug 2021 16:00:23 +1000, Petzl posted:-

> >> She does get to decide who forms govt when the result of the
> >> election is very close.
> >
> >How close?
>
> When there is not enough house votes to elect a PM.

Does this apply in Australia?

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> James Last plays in Miami <no spam@no spam.com> wrote
>>> Petzl wrote
>>>> The Monarchy is important, not for the power
>>>> it wields, but for the power it denies others
>>> As Lizzie has no power, how can she then deny others?
>> She does get to decide who forms govt
>> when the result of the election is very close.

> How close?

When neither of the two majors can come up
with a coalition that has the majority of seats
and neither major has more seats than the other.

Not something that happens very often at all.

James Last plays in Miami <no spam@no spam.com> wrote
> Petzl wrote
>>>> She does get to decide who forms govt when
>>>> the result of the election is very close.

>>> How close?
>> When there is not enough house votes to elect a PM.

Its not quite that simple. The PM isn't elected.
> Does this apply in Australia?

Basically, but in our case it's the GG, not Liz. Our
GG can sack the govt as Kerr did. Liz cant sack hers.