On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 08:45:55 UTC+10, Fran wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 5:26 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> > On 27/07/2023 3:58 pm, Arindam Banerjee dribbled idiocies as per usual:
> > > He has full popular support, save for the inevitable dissidents who
> > are presumably Western agents.
> >
> > **Clearly, you are an idiot.
> Yes, he is. So why do you bother to respond to his twaddle?
>
> All of us can read Indian media and I love reading it for it's cricket
> commentary but it seems poor old Bangedupknee can find the reasonably
> sane and informed Indian media.
Yes, anyone can follow Indian media on youtube on this matter, but the orBitch cannot comprehend what is said there, even in English.
It is not as if only the Indian media is telling the truth. There are many Western sources as well who say that Ukraine is losing heavily.
I could post the links, but why should I bother any more with Rod-worshipping fools who do not have any minimum sense.

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 8:45:55 AM UTC+10, Fran wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 5:26 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> > On 27/07/2023 3:58 pm, Arindam Banerjee dribbled idiocies as per usual:
> > > He has full popular support, save for the inevitable dissidents who
> > are presumably Western agents.
> >
> > **Clearly, you are an idiot.
> Yes, he is. So why do you bother to respond to his twaddle?
>
> All of us can read Indian media and I love reading it for it's cricket
> commentary but it seems poor old Bangedupknee can find the reasonably
> sane and informed Indian media.
>
Worse is to reply to Fran twaddle!
--
Petzl
We know the inane Dumb3 are lying,
they know they are lying,
they know we know they are lying,
we know they know we know they are lying,
but they are still lying.
"Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn"

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 8:58:47 AM UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 08:45:55 UTC+10, Fran wrote:
> > On 28/07/2023 5:26 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> > > On 27/07/2023 3:58 pm, Arindam Banerjee dribbled idiocies as per usual:
> > > > He has full popular support, save for the inevitable dissidents who
> > > are presumably Western agents.
> > >
> > > **Clearly, you are an idiot.
> > Yes, he is. So why do you bother to respond to his twaddle?
> >
> > All of us can read Indian media and I love reading it for it's cricket
> > commentary but it seems poor old Bangedupknee can find the reasonably
> > sane and informed Indian media
>
> Yes, anyone can follow Indian media on youtube on this matter, but the orBitch cannot comprehend what is said there, even in English.
> It is not as if only the Indian media is telling the truth. There are many Western sources as well who say that Ukraine is losing heavily.
> I could post the links, but why should I bother any more with Rod-worshipping fools who do not have any minimum sense.
>
Fran would have you blocked she hates listening to reason
--
Petzl
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens" One Nation.
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
“Everything that defines us is now an enemy,
so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity,
they attack gender identity, they attack family identity.
I can’t define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother, no.
I must be citizen x, gender x, parent 1, parent 2.
I must be a number, because when I am only a number,
when I no longer have an identity or roots,
then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators.
: - Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 09:55:49 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 8:58:47 AM UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Friday, 28 July 2023 at 08:45:55 UTC+10, Fran wrote:
> > > On 28/07/2023 5:26 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> > > > On 27/07/2023 3:58 pm, Arindam Banerjee dribbled idiocies as per usual:
> > > > > He has full popular support, save for the inevitable dissidents who
> > > > are presumably Western agents.
> > > >
> > > > **Clearly, you are an idiot.
> > > Yes, he is. So why do you bother to respond to his twaddle?
> > >
> > > All of us can read Indian media and I love reading it for it's cricket
> > > commentary but it seems poor old Bangedupknee can find the reasonably
> > > sane and informed Indian media
> >
> > Yes, anyone can follow Indian media on youtube on this matter, but the orBitch cannot comprehend what is said there, even in English.
> > It is not as if only the Indian media is telling the truth. There are many Western sources as well who say that Ukraine is losing heavily.
> > I could post the links, but why should I bother any more with Rod-worshipping fools who do not have any minimum sense.
> >
> Fran would have you blocked she hates listening to reason

I thought that extraordinarily stupid entity had kill-filed me!
> --
> Petzl
> ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens" One Nation.
> *LAST*, Federal State and Council!
> “Everything that defines us is now an enemy,
> so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity,
> they attack gender identity, they attack family identity.
> I can’t define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother, no.
> I must be citizen x, gender x, parent 1, parent 2.
> I must be a number, because when I am only a number,
> when I no longer have an identity or roots,
> then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators.
> : - Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

I was at the Fremantle Old Jail a few days ago. The first thing they did was to take away the name of the prisoner and give it a number. Just a number, no other identification! They got their name back after serving their sentence.

Arindam Banerjee wrote on 28/7/23 3:41 pm:

<Snip>

> I was at the Fremantle Old Jail a few days ago. The first thing they
> did was to take away the name of the prisoner and give it a number.
> Just a number, no other identification! They got their name back
> after serving their sentence.
>
What's so news-worthy about that?? Don't ALL prisons allocate Inmates a
number at the start??
--
Daniel

On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:36:25 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 26/07/2023 11:33 am, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 05:08:09 UTC+8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/07/2023 5:48 pm, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, 25 July 2023 at 03:50:48 UTC+8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 22/07/2023 9:59 am, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, 21 July 2023 at 02:15:09 UTC+8, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:42:33 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 19:46:33 UTC+8, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 5 years ago, she predicted the end of the world would be 2023.
>>>>>>>>> Instead we are seeing the beginning of the end. Heatwaves
>>>>>>>>> across the northern hemisphere. Bushfires. The North
>>>>>>>>> Atlantic is warmer than it should be. Just needs some
>>>>>>>>> cat 5 hurricanes to start soon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Covid could do only so much by restricting air travel.
>>>>>>>> More CO2 at 10000m means more reflected heat so higher
>>>>>>>> temperatures.
>>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>>>>>> The negative opinion of negative creatures is a recommendation for
>>>>>> what is positive.
>>>>> **Except that Rod is correct.
>>>>
>>>> He is never correct,
>>> **That is demonstrably untrue.
>> Being correct about obvious matters is inconsequential. He is wrong
>> about predicting important matters, such as relating to Ukraine.
>> Russian invasion was supposed to fail there.
>
> Putin expected to take Ukraine in a week. He has not only failed, but is
> now losing land to Ukrainian counter-attacks. Like 99% of the population
> of the planet, I expected Putin to crush Ukraine in a few weeks. Putin
> has absolutely failed miserably in his war.

Yes.

> It is costing the Russian economy huge sums

Yes, and massive amounts of income.

> and they've already lost most of their best military people.

Bullshit.

> They're almost down to using WWII era equipment.

Bullshit with artillery, aircraft, missiles, let alone drones etc.

Its not even true of armoured vehicles.

> Russia has lost. Putin just doesn't accept the inevitable yet.

That remains to be seen.

> I suspect he is waiting for a favourable outcome in the next US
> presidential election. If Trump wins, then so does Putin, as Trump will
> cut aid to Ukraine.

I doubt it.

> Even if one of the other Republicans wins, Ukraine will probably lose.

That isnt just up to the USA.

>> And he said Putin would go. Did not happen.

> Putin is a dead man walking. He will not survive the mess he created.

We'll see...

He survived the Georgia fiasco fine. And just who do you
believe would be able to replace him ? He still has massive
support in Russia.

> Will he go next week? Probably not. Next year? More likely.

Dont believe it unless its a heart attack etc.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 14:11:51 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 27/07/2023 10:28 am, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 05:36:27 UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 26/07/2023 11:33 am, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 05:08:09 UTC+8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 25/07/2023 5:48 pm, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, 25 July 2023 at 03:50:48 UTC+8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22/07/2023 9:59 am, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, 21 July 2023 at 02:15:09 UTC+8, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:42:33 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 19:46:33 UTC+8, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 5 years ago, she predicted the end of the world would be 2023.
>>>>>>>>>>> Instead we are seeing the beginning of the end. Heatwaves
>>>>>>>>>>> across the northern hemisphere. Bushfires. The North
>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantic is warmer than it should be. Just needs some
>>>>>>>>>>> cat 5 hurricanes to start soon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Covid could do only so much by restricting air travel.
>>>>>>>>>> More CO2 at 10000m means more reflected heat so higher
>>>>>>>>>> temperatures.
>>>>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>>>>>>>> The negative opinion of negative creatures is a recommendation
>>>>>>>> for what is positive.
>>>>>>> **Except that Rod is correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He is never correct,
>>>>> **That is demonstrably untrue.
>>>> Being correct about obvious matters is inconsequential. He is wrong
>>>> about predicting important matters, such as relating to Ukraine.
>>>> Russian invasion was supposed to fail there.
>>> **Putin expected to take Ukraine in a week. He has not only failed, but
>>> is now losing land to Ukrainian counter-attacks.
>> Putin, he has got the land he wanted. It would have been good for all
>> if Ukraine surrendered after his attack. Did not happen, so plan B
>> which worked.

> Actually, Putin has nothing. He is presently losing the land he
> initially invaded. Next, he will lose Crimea.
>
>> Like 99% of the
>>> population of the planet, I expected Putin to crush Ukraine in a few
>>> weeks. Putin has absolutely failed miserably in his war. It is costing
>>> the Russian economy huge sums and they've already lost most of their
>>> best military people.
>> Wrong, they have not even used a small fraction of their strength.

> Are you serious? The only equipment they have left is old and well past
> it's use-by date.

That's bullshit with aircraft. artillery, drones, mines etc etc etc.

>> They got ex crims for the job. And they are ready to take on NATO if
> needed.

> Yeah, right. The Russian military is so weak that almost any single NATO
> nation could wipe out the Russian military. Almost.

Bullshit.

> Excepting nukes, of curse. Putin has lots of them.

>> They're almost down to using WWII era equipment.
>>> Russia has lost. Putin just doesn't accept the inevitable yet. I
>>> suspect
>>> he is waiting for a favourable outcome in the next US presidential
>>> election. If Trump wins, then so does Putin, as Trump will cut aid to
>>> Ukraine. Even if one of the other Republicans wins, Ukraine will
>>> probably lose.
>> So all the military help the Zelensky got was for Ukraine getting
>> thoroughly destroyed. How evil! How stupid! Making Russians fight each
>> other, get weak, that way, very decadent strategy of the US which
>> backfired.
>> Putin has won no matter who wins the elections. It was always going to
>> be the case, as I had predicted. Ukraine never had a chance in a war
>> with Russia.

> Huh? What planet do you live on? Putin is toast. He will not survive.

How odd that he survived Georgia fine.

> His war has been too costly and badly implemented.

Yes.

> The Russian people will not forgive, nor forget.

Its not up to them.

>>> And he said Putin would go. Did not happen.
>>> **Putin is a dead man walking. He will not survive the mess he created.
>> Fool, he is more healthy and powerful than ever. He is vastly popular.

> How would you know?

There have been plenty of interviews with russians.

>> Sanctions have only made him stronger. And Russia too.

> Nope. Russia is a basket case and it's getting worse.

Bullshit given that India and China are still happy to trade with him.

>> The Ukraine counter offensive has failed.

> Not yet, it hasn't.

And is really just taking longer than expected.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 05:26:38 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 27/07/2023 3:58 pm, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 14:11:59 UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >> On 27/07/2023 10:28 am, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 05:36:27 UTC+10, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >>>> On 26/07/2023 11:33 am, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2023 at 05:08:09 UTC+8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >>>>>> On 25/07/2023 5:48 pm, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, 25 July 2023 at 03:50:48 UTC+8, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 22/07/2023 9:59 am, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, 21 July 2023 at 02:15:09 UTC+8, Rod Speed wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:42:33 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> >>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 19:46:33 UTC+8, Nomen Nescio
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 5 years ago, she predicted the end of the world would be
> 2023.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Instead we are seeing the beginning of the end. Heatwaves
> >>>>>>>>>>>> across the northern hemisphere. Bushfires. The North
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Atlantic is warmer than it should be. Just needs some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cat 5 hurricanes to start soon
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Covid could do only so much by restricting air travel.
> >>>>>>>>>>> More CO2 at 10000m means more reflected heat so higher
> temperatures.
> >>>>>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying
> something.
> >>>>>>>>> The negative opinion of negative creatures is a
> recommendation for what is positive.
> >>>>>>>> **Except that Rod is correct.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He is never correct,
> >>>>>> **That is demonstrably untrue.
> >>>>> Being correct about obvious matters is inconsequential. He is
> wrong about predicting important matters, such as relating to Ukraine.
> Russian invasion was supposed to fail there.
> >>>> **Putin expected to take Ukraine in a week. He has not only
> failed, but
> >>>> is now losing land to Ukrainian counter-attacks.
> >
> > By now they should have liberated Crimea or at least reached the Sea
> of Azov, going by their propaganda.
>
> **Why? Pretty much everyone expected Ukraine to fall within a week. That
> would include Putin. Ukraine has surprised everyone.
>
> > But they have not even breached the first line of Russian defence!
>
> **Huh? They've kicked Russia out of many areas of Ukraine. Crimea is
> next.

Nope, makes much more sense to kick the russians out of the ukraine first.

> >>>
> >>> Putin, he has got the land he wanted. It would have been good for
> all if Ukraine surrendered after his attack. Did not happen, so plan B
> which worked.
> >> **Actually, Putin has nothing. He is presently losing the land he
> >> initially invaded. Next, he will lose Crimea.
> >
> > Great hopes here.
> > Unless NATO attacks creating a world world war, with nuclear exchange
> killing millions, which is what Zelensky wants, there is no chance of
> any change in the situation save in favour fo Russia.
> > By itself Ukraine has zero chance against Russia.
>
> **Ukraine is doing pretty damned well by itself right now.
>
> >>>
> >>> Like 99% of the
> >>>> population of the planet, I expected Putin to crush Ukraine in a
> few
> >>>> weeks. Putin has absolutely failed miserably in his war. It is
> costing
> >>>> the Russian economy huge sums and they've already lost most of
> their
> >>>> best military people.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Wrong, they have not even used a small fraction of their strength.
> >> **Are you serious? The only equipment they have left is old and well
> >> past it's use-by date.
> >> They got ex crims for the job. And they are ready to take on NATO if
> >> needed.
> >> **Yeah, right. The Russian military is so weak that almost any single
> >> NATO nation could wipe out the Russian military. Almost. Excepting
> >> nukes, of curse. Putin has lots of them.
> >
> > So if you don't want to be nuked, shut up and talk about peace.
>
> **Sure. As soon as Russia exists Ukraine, then peace can begin. Russia
> keeps invading Ukraine. Russia is the aggressor. Russia is extending
> this war.
>
> > Putin knows the West will not fight Russia as they fear a nuclear war
> which will favour Russia as Russians have lots of nukes and nothing that
> much to lose.
>
> **Points:
>
> * The US can turn Russia into a sheet glass, as soon as Russia launches
> it's first nuke. And yeah, lots of people would die. Including Putin.
> * Russia's military equipment has been shown to be in very poor shape.

That's bullshit with the artillery, drones and aircraft.

> If their nukes are in similar condition, or if critical parts have been
> stolen and sold off, then we don't know how many functioning nukes
> Russia has. Russia doesn't know either.
>
> > They have long prepared for a nuclear strike from the West. That is
> why they have deep metros. In 30 minutes or so the whole population
> will get down there and survive.
>
> **Bullshit. Even if a tiny number enter their metros, what will they
> return to? A sheet of glass, covering hundreds of square kms.

Nukes don't work like that.

> They'll just die along with Putin.
>
> > Ditto for the Western leaders who will save themsleves in bunkers,
> but I don't think the city people can escape.
>
> **Of course not. The US nuclear subs will destroy what is left of Russia.

Not possible.

> > The question they should ask is, is Zelensky worth it???

> Putin is acting like Hitler. He must be stopped.

Easier said than done.

> Besides, Ukraine wants to fight Russia. We should support Ukraine. The
> alternative is the subjugation of 40 million people.
>
> Is fighting for Ukraine following the tantrums of the Rod-types worth
> the destruction of millions of lives in the West, their loss of property
> and money and power?
>
> **It won't come to that. If Putin launches a nuke tomorrow, he'll be
> dead within an hour.

Fantasy.

> Putin doesn't want to die.

> > The answer is obvious, to those not extraordinarily stupid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They're almost down to using WWII era equipment.
> >>>> Russia has lost. Putin just doesn't accept the inevitable yet. I
> suspect
> >>>> he is waiting for a favourable outcome in the next US presidential
> >>>> election. If Trump wins, then so does Putin, as Trump will cut aid
> to
> >>>> Ukraine. Even if one of the other Republicans wins, Ukraine will
> >>>> probably lose.
> >>>
> >>> So all the military help the Zelensky got was for Ukraine getting
> thoroughly destroyed. How evil! How stupid! Making Russians fight each
> other, get weak, that way, very decadent strategy of the US which
> backfired.
> >>> Putin has won no matter who wins the elections. It was always going
> to be the case, as I had predicted. Ukraine never had a chance in a war
> with Russia.
> >> **Huh? What planet do you live on? Putin is toast. He will not
> survive.
> >> His war has been too costly and badly implemented. The Russian people
> >> will not forgive, nor forget.
> >
> > No, it was too cheap. He used 250000 troops to attack 500000 troops,
> all well armed with Western weapons. The Javelin missiles worked too
> well, and that is about the only thing remarkable about the Ukraine
> defence.
>
> Russia is not doing so well, according to even the most conservative
> estimates, which put the number of Russian forces killed at more than
> 74,000, whilst Ukraine has lost around 20,000. Of course, Russia has
> killed, tortured and raped far more civilians. Russian troops are very
> good at killing civilians. Not so good at killing professional (and
> non-professional) combatants.