On 13/12/2021 08:34, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Is this not the fault of the circuit designers though? If there were more
> overtaking opportunities then there would be some racing, at the moment it
> seems that defensive driving can in effect keep faster cars and drivers out
> of the picture.
> Maybe each car should have its own lane.

They could have a pick-up rail for electrical power down each of those
tracks, oooops toy manufacturers have already thought of that!

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:31:39 -0000, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
<briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>I'm surprised by now they have not simply moved the drivers to a studio and
>let them drive the cars remotely.
> Brian

There's a near equivalent of this already in the many online channels
showing people playing computer games. I don't understand the appeal
of it myself, but it seems to be popular. Think about it - you're
watching somebody on a screen who's watching somebody on a screen, who
isn't really there. If the on-screen game that the on-screen players
were playing were a car racing game, the result would be pretty much
what you describe - and what difference would it really make to the
viewers at home whether or not the cars were real?

Rod.

On 13/12/2021 09:06, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> There's a near equivalent of this already in the many online channels
> showing people playing computer games. I don't understand the appeal
> of it myself, but it seems to be popular. Think about it - you're
> watching somebody on a screen who's watching somebody on a screen, who
> isn't really there. If the on-screen game that the on-screen players
> were playing were a car racing game, the result would be pretty much
> what you describe - and what difference would it really make to the
> viewers at home whether or not the cars were real?

There seem lots of sports events where people in the audience can only
really see what is happening from a large screen.

On 13/12/2021 09:03, MB wrote:
> On 13/12/2021 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> Yes well, Its all gone mega commercial these days.
>
>
> I remember one report explaining how the drivers are sponsored by a
> number of companies so will wear one cap when they take off their helmet
> off, then change to another when they get out of the car, another when
> they go up on the podium etc etc!
>
> Just gets very silly.

They used to get out of the car and put a sponsor's watch on. Possibly
better than USA motor racing when the after race interview only seems to
be to name as many sponsors as possible.

I have a passing interest in F1 but I don't watch the practice,
qualifying, pre or post race build-ups/let-downs. I also find that
watching edited highlights is more entertaining than watching a whole
live race. I definitely wouldn't pay a TV subscription to watch it and
if it was not Free To Air I wouldn't miss it.

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In article <sp729c$ja4$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 13/12/2021 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> > Yes well, Its all gone mega commercial these days.

> I remember one report explaining how the drivers are sponsored by a
> number of companies so will wear one cap when they take off their helmet
> off, then change to another when they get out of the car, another when
> they go up on the podium etc etc!

> Just gets very silly.

I can remember seeing a film crew with Velcro patches on their jackets.
They then attached the relevant company logo.

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On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 17:53:44 +0000, williamwright wrote:

> On 12/12/2021 16:38, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 12/12/2021 14:36, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2021 01:17 pm, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>
>>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>>
>>> What about of us who couldn't care less?
>>
>> You seem to care a bit, you've made two contributions to this thread
>> already
>
> I think that taking the trouble to say you aren't interested in
> something is weird. I mean, I'm not interested in nearly everything but
> I don't trawl the internet commenting "I'm not interested in New Zealand
> tiddlywinks competitions," or "I'm not interested in the history of
> Etruscan pottery."
>
> "And what are you interested in?"
> "I'm really interested in saying I'm not interested when people say
> anything whatsoever."
>
> Bill

How did your neighbour's son get on Bill..?

On 13/12/2021 12:45, Sysadmin wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 17:53:44 +0000, williamwright wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2021 16:38, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2021 14:36, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2021 01:17 pm, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>>>
>>>> What about of us who couldn't care less?
>>>
>>> You seem to care a bit, you've made two contributions to this thread
>>> already
>>
>> I think that taking the trouble to say you aren't interested in
>> something is weird. I mean, I'm not interested in nearly everything but
>> I don't trawl the internet commenting "I'm not interested in New Zealand
>> tiddlywinks competitions," or "I'm not interested in the history of
>> Etruscan pottery."
>>
>> "And what are you interested in?"
>> "I'm really interested in saying I'm not interested when people say
>> anything whatsoever."
>>
>> Bill
>
> How did your neighbour's son get on Bill..?

The situation hasn't changed. No help from any official body.

Bill

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.

Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
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Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>
> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.

That's very clever! :-)

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·

On 14/12/2021 09:39, Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>
> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.

Only if they pay enough.

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On 14/12/2021 11:32, alan_m wrote:
> On 14/12/2021 09:39, Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman
>> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>
>> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
>
>
> Only if they pay enough.
>
There's no way they can afford it. If Sky do lose it, it'll be going to
Amazon or Netflix, not any UK PSBs

In article <sp729c$ja4$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 13/12/2021 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> > Yes well, Its all gone mega commercial these days.

> I remember one report explaining how the drivers are sponsored by a
> number of companies so will wear one cap when they take off their helmet
> off, then change to another when they get out of the car, another when
> they go up on the podium etc etc!

> Just gets very silly.

I stopped watching 'sports' like F1 many decades ago as they seemed boring
to me. Albeit they may be enjoyable by drivers. If so, good luck to them.

However what I did find weird was now learning that - apparently - when the
'safety car' comes out and the contestants have to queue up behind it, no
account is taken if one was many seconds behind the other just beforehand,
and hence this difference then gets 'lost' when the 'safety car' leaves.

To me that seems daft. I'd have assumed they had a way to add a 'handicap
time' to each car. One which perhaps was then reduced by X seconds per
later lap so it was gradually smoothed away. Lacking this it becomes in the
interest of someone well behind in 2nd or 3rd position to have their team
or a mate engineer an event that causes a 'safety car' episode and lets
then 'catch up'. Failing that, you may as well throw dice to decide who
'won'.

For me, just underlined how daft it was - except perhaps for those who make
loadsamoney from the racing regardless of who wins any individual race.

Jim

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Martin wrote:

> Jeff Layman wrote:
>
>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>
> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.

I ask again ... cite?

On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:20:02 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>
>> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>
>> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
>
>I ask again ... cite?
>

Well after discussing this with a few dozen people the consensus is
now that F1 has become a soap opera which is really in the domain of
Ch4 and none of us will be paying any premium to watch soap.

And they/we won't bother watching the soap if they know the
manipulated storylines so it has to be live to maintain some semblance
of suspense.

Masi has dramatically devalued the franchise with decisions he's
invented this season and sponsors are already looking at their
options.

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Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

Yes I'm waiting for F1 drone racing as we speak, or how about submarine
racing?
Brian

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"AnthonyL" <nospam@please.invalid> wrote in message
news:61b8fe12.2981755078@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:20:02 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Martin wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>
>>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>>
>>> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
>>
>>I ask again ... cite?
>>
>
> Well after discussing this with a few dozen people the consensus is
> now that F1 has become a soap opera which is really in the domain of
> Ch4 and none of us will be paying any premium to watch soap.
>
> And they/we won't bother watching the soap if they know the
> manipulated storylines so it has to be live to maintain some semblance
> of suspense.
>
> Masi has dramatically devalued the franchise with decisions he's
> invented this season and sponsors are already looking at their
> options.
>
> --
> AnthonyL
>
> Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:29:38 +0000 (GMT), charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article <sp729c$ja4$1@dont-email.me>,
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 13/12/2021 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> > Yes well, Its all gone mega commercial these days.
>
>
>> I remember one report explaining how the drivers are sponsored by a
>> number of companies so will wear one cap when they take off their helmet
>> off, then change to another when they get out of the car, another when
>> they go up on the podium etc etc!
>
>> Just gets very silly.
>
>
>I can remember seeing a film crew with Velcro patches on their jackets.
>They then attached the relevant company logo.

Apollo 1 crew were supposed to have been killed by Velcro fastenings in pure
oxygen.
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:32:33 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On 14/12/2021 09:39, Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>
>> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
>
>
>Only if they pay enough.

Whoever buys Channel 4 will pay the bill
--

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:32:33 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On 14/12/2021 09:39, Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>
>> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
>
>
>Only if they pay enough.

In The Netherlands next year not only will the biggest cable company, Ziggo,
provide full F1 coverage at no extra cost as they did this year, but public
service broadcaster NOS will too. Are the Dutch getting a bargain or is somebody
UK exaggerating the cost?
--

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:09:03 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 14/12/2021 11:32, alan_m wrote:
>> On 14/12/2021 09:39, Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman
>>> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>>
>>> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
>>
>>
>> Only if they pay enough.
>>
>There's no way they can afford it. If Sky do lose it, it'll be going to
>Amazon or Netflix, not any UK PSBs

So how can NOS Dutch public service broadcaster on a tiny budget afford it?
--

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:59:00 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article <sp729c$ja4$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 13/12/2021 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> > Yes well, Its all gone mega commercial these days.
>
>
>> I remember one report explaining how the drivers are sponsored by a
>> number of companies so will wear one cap when they take off their helmet
>> off, then change to another when they get out of the car, another when
>> they go up on the podium etc etc!
>
>> Just gets very silly.
>
>I stopped watching 'sports' like F1 many decades ago as they seemed boring
>to me. Albeit they may be enjoyable by drivers. If so, good luck to them.
>
>However what I did find weird was now learning that - apparently - when the
>'safety car' comes out and the contestants have to queue up behind it, no
>account is taken if one was many seconds behind the other just beforehand,
>and hence this difference then gets 'lost' when the 'safety car' leaves.
>
>To me that seems daft. I'd have assumed they had a way to add a 'handicap
>time' to each car. One which perhaps was then reduced by X seconds per
>later lap so it was gradually smoothed away. Lacking this it becomes in the
>interest of someone well behind in 2nd or 3rd position to have their team
>or a mate engineer an event that causes a 'safety car' episode and lets
>then 'catch up'. Failing that, you may as well throw dice to decide who
>'won'.
>
>For me, just underlined how daft it was - except perhaps for those who make
>loadsamoney from the racing regardless of who wins any individual race.

and with two cars in each team, one car can be sacrificed to have an accident
that will bring out the safety car. Plus let people get new tyres while the
safety car is out and get the cars between the first and second cars of the way
and allow the leader to be overtaken slightly before the race restarts.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

On 15/12/2021 13:39, Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:32:33 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 14/12/2021 09:39, Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>>> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
>>
>> Only if they pay enough.
> In The Netherlands next year not only will the biggest cable company, Ziggo,
> provide full F1 coverage at no extra cost as they did this year, but public
> service broadcaster NOS will too. Are the Dutch getting a bargain or is somebody
> UK exaggerating the cost?
According to this only Ziggo hold the NL rights.

https://www.sportingfree.com/f1/formula-1-tv-channels-list/

Have you got a link to the NOS deal, if they have live FTA coverage, why
would anybody watch on Ziggo  ?

On 15/12/2021 13:34, :
> I can remember seeing a film crew with Velcro patches on their jackets.
> They then attached the relevant company logo.

We were issued with jackets at work with company name held by Velcro so
it was easy to change each they changed the company name. :-)

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:32:33 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On 14/12/2021 09:39, Martin wrote:
> >> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:17:46 +0000, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
> >>
> >> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
> >
> >
> >Only if they pay enough.
>
>
> Whoever buys Channel 4 will pay the bill
>

I read speculation somewhere that the existing C4 board were
contemplating signing up for expensive FI coverage as a means
of poisoning the proposed forced sale of the channel.

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On 15/12/2021 02:26 pm, Sn!pe wrote:

> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 14/12/2021 09:39, Martin wrote:
>>>> Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>> For anyone interested, C4 are showing the final GP live. It's on now.
>
>>>> Channel 4 will show all F1 live in future.
>
>>> Only if they pay enough.
>
>> Whoever buys Channel 4 will pay the bill
>>
> I read speculation somewhere that the existing C4 board were
> contemplating signing up for expensive FI coverage as a means
> of poisoning the proposed forced sale of the channel.

An Act of Parliament would soon sort that out, if necessary.

The mere prospect of a sale should be enough to steer Bernie E towards
Sky Sports, Netflix or Amazon.

PS: remember when C4 started, and Jeremy & co announced that it would
not show any sports?

In article <spcsbn$d77$3@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 13:34, :
> > I can remember seeing a film crew with Velcro patches on their jackets.
> > They then attached the relevant company logo.

> We were issued with jackets at work with company name held by Velcro so
> it was easy to change each they changed the company name. :-)

I'd never though of that being the reason. makes sense, though.

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