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* BBC One HD rollout on Freesat and Freeview - by end of 2022NY
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`* Re: BBC One HD rollout on Freesat and Freeview - by end of 2022Chris Youlden
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  `* Re: BBC One HD rollout on Freesat and Freeview - by end of 2022Mark Carver
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From: rjf...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk (Roderick Stewart)
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 by: Roderick Stewart - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 10:20 UTC

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:07:50 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

>Over Xmas BBC TV has turned into a classic film channel.

I'll take your word for that, as I haven't been watching it lately. In
fact, I've decided that the beginning of a new year is as good a time
as any to reformat the hard drive in my Freeview receiver and delete
all programmed recordings to see how long it takes me to miss it, if I
ever miss it at all. I certainly won't miss broadcast TV for movies,
as I can watch plenty of them on streaming services complete and
uninterrupted, while none of the broadcasters can leave them alone.

Rod.

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 by: Indy Jess John - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 12:40 UTC

On 01/01/2022 10:06, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:32:57 -0000, "NY"<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Colleague<-> Assistant (*)
> [...]
>> (*) As in the signs in shops, clearly intended for customers, which say "If
>> you cannot find what you are looking for, ask a colleague". No, (from the
>> customer's perspective) they are an assistant. They are only colleagues of
>> other people who work in the shop, which is not who the signs are directed
>> at.
>
> Also -
>
> Flight Assistant<-> Air Hostess.

I have always referred to them as Steward of Stewardess.
The man at the end of my road has that as a job and he refers to himself
as a Flight Steward.
>
> I've always thought that one a particularly sensible verbal
> adjustment, and not just because I can't imagine what the old term for
> a male one would have been

I have witnessed the reverse being applied. At one job I had, I had to
attend briefing meetings, and the meetings were under the control of the
head of support services. In the beginning, the head was a male, and the
minutes referred to him as "Chairman". Then he moved on and was
replaced by a female. At her first meeting she turned to the secretary
taking the minutes and said in effect: I am the new Chairman. That is my
role here. Do not refer to me as "chairwoman", "chairperson" or worse
still as "chair" which is the furniture I am sitting on. Please ensure
that the minutes refer to me as "Chairman" and we will get along fine.

A rare flash of common sense, I thought.

Jim

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:00 UTC

On 01/01/2022 in message <sqpi3k$l6e$1@dont-email.me> Indy Jess John wrote:

>I have witnessed the reverse being applied. At one job I had, I had to
>attend briefing meetings, and the meetings were under the control of the
>head of support services. In the beginning, the head was a male, and the
>minutes referred to him as "Chairman". Then he moved on and was replaced
>by a female. At her first meeting she turned to the secretary taking the
>minutes and said in effect: I am the new Chairman. That is my role here.
>Do not refer to me as "chairwoman", "chairperson" or worse still as
>"chair" which is the furniture I am sitting on. Please ensure that the
>minutes refer to me as "Chairman" and we will get along fine.
>
>A rare flash of common sense, I thought.

Absolutely spot on, "chairman" is gender neutral like doctor, nurse,
teacher, dentist, solicitor etc. I think it's only the ignorant who think
"chair" is correct - most MPs fall in this category of course :-)

--
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
Have you ever noticed that all the instruments searching for intelligent
life are pointing away from Earth?

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 by: Bob Latham - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:02 UTC

In article <sqnqfk$rad$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 31/12/2021 12:07, Martin wrote:
> > Over Xmas BBC TV has turned into a classic film channel.

> As always there were the classics but also plenty more to watch.

I don't know about "plenty" but I did (with a some dread of woke
nonsense, rightly as it turned out) watch Hootenanny last night.

I couldn't believe it, I think it was the 3rd song (Gregory Porter)
and it seemed to be a specially written anti-racism song for the
event. Even New Year's eve and these people still have to preach,
preach, preach. Who do they think they're impressing with this
garbage. I've got Gregory Porter albums in my music collection I like
his music but this was awful.

By contrast earlier that evening I watched a program recorded from
Sky Arts about the history of Tamla Motown. I was so impressed by
their culture of the time and what they achieved. I'm grateful to
black people for Jazz and Tamla Motown which I still enjoy. That
program increased my respect for black people, the BBC's endless
preaching doesn't, it just nauseates me.

On a positive note about Hootenanny Ruby Turner was awesome and it
was great to see Lulu she was terrific. Ed Sheeran was clearly very
talented but not really my cup of tea.

Bob.

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 by: charles - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 12:52 UTC

In article <h790tg5vhtgp18gritemckdtnv3e27nj27@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:32:57 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> >Colleague <-> Assistant (*)
> [...]
> >(*) As in the signs in shops, clearly intended for customers, which say
> >"If you cannot find what you are looking for, ask a colleague". No,
> >(from the customer's perspective) they are an assistant. They are only
> >colleagues of other people who work in the shop, which is not who the
> >signs are directed at.

> Also -

> Flight Assistant <-> Air Hostess.

> I've always thought that one a particularly sensible verbal adjustment,
> and not just because I can't imagine what the old term for a male one
> would have been ("Air Host" doesn't sound right at all). Flight
> Assistants are the people who assist you during a flight, so it makes
> perfect sense.

Steward

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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 by: Martin - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:26 UTC

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:31:28 +0000 (GMT), charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

>In article <qlstsg5908haq5smgtq9peu3at3rvi69ve@4ax.com>, Martin
><me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:16:18 +0000 (GMT), charles
>> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> >In article <tkjtsghcdrnjurti3ml9c62e5ff6md3v6i@4ax.com>, Roderick
>> > Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:11:29 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
>> >> >
>> >> >They are doing internet and cable platforms first because they are
>> >> >easier, and leaving Freesat and Freeview until the end of 2022.
>> >> >
>> >> >I wonder if it will happen on schedule. ITV did it ages ago. BBC One
>> >> >are lagging badly behind: it's a shame that they couldn't even
>> >> >transmit regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would
>> >> >have allowed a TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local
>> >> >news *even if it were in SD*.
>> >
>> >> Perhaps they've spent all their money on expensive presenters and
>> >> executives and have none left to spend on engineering expertise?
>> >
>> >> Rod.
>> >
>> >Do remember that the BBC shut down its Enginering Directorate in the
>> >early '90s. Engineering Information became part of "Libraries". (Well,
>> >it had 'information' in its name). Ad, the transmitters were sold off.
>
>> Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources
>> Department like my former employer had?
>
>It still had a Personnel Department when I left.

Mine had both when I left. Only Human Resources survived.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

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 by: MB - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 14:17 UTC

On 01/01/2022 13:02, Bob Latham wrote:
> I don't know about "plenty" but I did (with a some dread of woke
> nonsense, rightly as it turned out) watch Hootenanny last night.
>
> I couldn't believe it, I think it was the 3rd song (Gregory Porter)
> and it seemed to be a specially written anti-racism song for the
> event. Even New Year's eve and these people still have to preach,
> preach, preach. Who do they think they're impressing with this
> garbage. I've got Gregory Porter albums in my music collection I like
> his music but this was awful.
>
> By contrast earlier that evening I watched a program recorded from
> Sky Arts about the history of Tamla Motown. I was so impressed by
> their culture of the time and what they achieved. I'm grateful to
> black people for Jazz and Tamla Motown which I still enjoy. That
> program increased my respect for black people, the BBC's endless
> preaching doesn't, it just nauseates me.
>
> On a positive note about Hootenanny Ruby Turner was awesome and it
> was great to see Lulu she was terrific. Ed Sheeran was clearly very
> talented but not really my cup of tea.

Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when they
always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.

New Year's Eve has long been a problem. When BBC1 used to have Rikki
Fulton on, STV effectively gave up because no would be watching them.
Perhaps their current stuff on New Year's Eve appeals to the locals

Didn't one of the channels try a live programme at midnight one year but
most seemed to be pissed so it was a bit of a shambles.

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 by: Mark Carver - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 14:47 UTC

On 01/01/2022 13:02, Bob Latham wrote:
> I don't know about "plenty" but I did (with a some dread of woke
> nonsense, rightly as it turned out) watch Hootenanny last night.
>
> I couldn't believe it, I think it was the 3rd song (Gregory Porter)
> and it seemed to be a specially written anti-racism song for the
> event. Even New Year's eve and these people still have to preach,
> preach, preach. Who do they think they're impressing with this
> garbage. I've got Gregory Porter albums in my music collection I like
> his music but this was awful.
>
You can't have the June 2020 Album 'All Rise' because, 'Mister Holland'
is from that:-

https://www.songfacts.com/facts/gregory-porter/mister-holland

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 by: Mark Carver - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 14:49 UTC

On 01/01/2022 14:17, MB wrote:
>
> Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when they
> always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.
>
Do you actually like anything ?!!!

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 by: NY - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 14:58 UTC

"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xn0ncctbn34bdr3004@news.individual.net...
> On 01/01/2022 in message <sqpi3k$l6e$1@dont-email.me> Indy Jess John
> wrote:
>
>>I have witnessed the reverse being applied. At one job I had, I had to
>>attend briefing meetings, and the meetings were under the control of the
>>head of support services. In the beginning, the head was a male, and the
>>minutes referred to him as "Chairman". Then he moved on and was replaced
>>by a female. At her first meeting she turned to the secretary taking the
>>minutes and said in effect: I am the new Chairman. That is my role here.
>>Do not refer to me as "chairwoman", "chairperson" or worse still as
>>"chair" which is the furniture I am sitting on. Please ensure that the
>>minutes refer to me as "Chairman" and we will get along fine.
>>
>>A rare flash of common sense, I thought.
>
> Absolutely spot on, "chairman" is gender neutral like doctor, nurse,
> teacher, dentist, solicitor etc. I think it's only the ignorant who think
> "chair" is correct - most MPs fall in this category of course :-)

Yes, the people who don't realise that the "man" in "chairman", "spaceman",
"fireman" is being used to mean "human" or "person", not to mean "male as
opposed to female".

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 by: Tweed - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 15:45 UTC

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:xn0ncctbn34bdr3004@news.individual.net...
>> On 01/01/2022 in message <sqpi3k$l6e$1@dont-email.me> Indy Jess John
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have witnessed the reverse being applied. At one job I had, I had to
>>> attend briefing meetings, and the meetings were under the control of the
>>> head of support services. In the beginning, the head was a male, and the
>>> minutes referred to him as "Chairman". Then he moved on and was replaced
>>> by a female. At her first meeting she turned to the secretary taking the
>>> minutes and said in effect: I am the new Chairman. That is my role here.
>>> Do not refer to me as "chairwoman", "chairperson" or worse still as
>>> "chair" which is the furniture I am sitting on. Please ensure that the
>>> minutes refer to me as "Chairman" and we will get along fine.
>>>
>>> A rare flash of common sense, I thought.
>>
>> Absolutely spot on, "chairman" is gender neutral like doctor, nurse,
>> teacher, dentist, solicitor etc. I think it's only the ignorant who think
>> "chair" is correct - most MPs fall in this category of course :-)
>
> Yes, the people who don't realise that the "man" in "chairman", "spaceman",
> "fireman" is being used to mean "human" or "person", not to mean "male as
> opposed to female".
>
>

Just be glad we don’t have gendered nouns, especially three flavours
thereof.

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 by: NY - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 16:09 UTC

"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Absolutely spot on, "chairman" is gender neutral like doctor, nurse,
>>> teacher, dentist, solicitor etc. I think it's only the ignorant who
>>> think
>>> "chair" is correct - most MPs fall in this category of course :-)
>>
>> Yes, the people who don't realise that the "man" in "chairman",
>> "spaceman",
>> "fireman" is being used to mean "human" or "person", not to mean "male as
>> opposed to female".
>>
>>
>
> Just be glad we don’t have gendered nouns, especially three flavours
> thereof.

Imagine the discussions: should it be "le chaisse/fauteuil" or "la
chaisse/fauteuil" (chair) when referring to the person who is chairing a
meeting? (*) Maybe "le" or "la" depending on whether the person is male or
female. Oh but what about those who are gender-fluid. Oh, what a mess! At
least German has neuter which could be used for all words which apply
equally to male or female or intermediate.

(*) OK, I know that in French a chairman is le/la président(e), but you see
the point I'm making.

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 by: Bob Latham - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 17:28 UTC

In article <j3b7rcFavesU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You can't have the June 2020 Album 'All Rise' because, 'Mister
> Holland' is from that:-

> https://www.songfacts.com/facts/gregory-porter/mister-holland

I stand corrected then but it's still an awful song and a predictable
choice for the BBC.

Thanks Mark.

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 by: Bob Latham - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 17:40 UTC

In article <sqpnp4$qte$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

> Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when
> they always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.

I agree about the stupid hat but decided someone's choice of clobber
wasn't a good reason not to appreciate what they do. With that
thinking I managed to be a Lewis Hamilton fan for many years (and he
wears a pair of net curtains) until he went all woke which leaves me
now thinking my decision was wrong I should have taken the warnings.

Bob.

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 by: MB - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 19:18 UTC

On 01/01/2022 14:49, Mark Carver wrote:
> Do you actually like anything ?!!!

Lots but also lots of singers, like him, who I cannot stand and just
retune or switch off if they come on the radio.

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 by: Chris Youlden - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 16:42 UTC

On 31/12/2021 00:11, NY wrote:
> https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
>
>
> it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit
> regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a
> TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were
> in SD*.

What, all the regions at once?
--

Chris

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 by: NY - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 17:08 UTC

"Chris Youlden" <fbx@youlden.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 31/12/2021 00:11, NY wrote:
>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
>>
>>
>> it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit regional BBC One *SD* in
>> the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a TV that was tuned to BBC
>> One HD to show the local news *even if it were in SD*.
>
> What, all the regions at once?

That is the nub of the problem. They don't have the same topology for HD as
for SD so whereas they can make a separate version of BBC One SD (*) for
each region to feed to its transmitters, they can't do this for BBC One HD.
Unpicking that problem will not be trivial, but I admire their tenacity in
trying to do so. I'm not sure why they chose to route HD as they do, when
ITV has got it right: both for regional news and for regional adverts.

(*) National programmes with regional news plugged into the 18:00-18:30
slot.

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 by: Mark Carver - Sun, 2 Jan 2022 17:23 UTC

On 02/01/2022 17:08, NY wrote:
> "Chris Youlden" <fbx@youlden.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:sqskkq$qup$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 31/12/2021 00:11, NY wrote:
>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
>>>
>>>
>>> it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit regional BBC One *SD*
>>> in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a TV that was tuned
>>> to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were in SD*.
>>
>> What, all the regions at once?
>
> That is the nub of the problem. They don't have the same topology for
> HD as for SD so whereas they can make a separate version of BBC One
> SD  (*) for each region to feed to its transmitters, they can't do
> this for BBC One HD. Unpicking that problem will not be trivial, but I
> admire their tenacity in trying to do so. I'm not sure why they chose
> to route HD as they do, when ITV has got it right: both for regional
> news and for regional adverts.
>
>
I've explained countless times in detail what the differences are
between BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like
they are, and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same
level . I'm not doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it, it'll
be immortalised on Goggle Groups.

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 by: Martin - Tue, 4 Jan 2022 12:19 UTC

On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 14:49:36 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 01/01/2022 14:17, MB wrote:
>>
>> Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when they
>> always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.
>>
>Do you actually like anything ?!!!

<applause> Job for him as a Daily Telegraph TV reviewer.
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Tue, 4 Jan 2022 15:22 UTC

In any case its a bit of a cock up. Surely they could do what I notice some
channels do now. for more on this content press green now or whatever, then
to return press green now again, Is that all that much of a problem or do
you need it all to be totally seamless even though to do so would mean
massive bandwidth on the sat when its not really needed in the first place.
Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 02/01/2022 17:08, NY wrote:
>> "Chris Youlden" <fbx@youlden.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:sqskkq$qup$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 31/12/2021 00:11, NY wrote:
>>>> https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit regional BBC One *SD* in
>>>> the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a TV that was tuned to BBC
>>>> One HD to show the local news *even if it were in SD*.
>>>
>>> What, all the regions at once?
>>
>> That is the nub of the problem. They don't have the same topology for HD
>> as for SD so whereas they can make a separate version of BBC One SD (*)
>> for each region to feed to its transmitters, they can't do this for BBC
>> One HD. Unpicking that problem will not be trivial, but I admire their
>> tenacity in trying to do so. I'm not sure why they chose to route HD as
>> they do, when ITV has got it right: both for regional news and for
>> regional adverts.
>>
>>
> I've explained countless times in detail what the differences are between
> BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like they are,
> and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same level . I'm not
> doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it, it'll be immortalised
> on Goggle Groups.

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 by: Chris J Dixon - Tue, 4 Jan 2022 15:57 UTC

MB wrote:

>Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when they
>always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.

I believe the hat is to conceal the result of some medical
incident or condition. Not really my kind of music either.

Chris
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 by: MB - Tue, 4 Jan 2022 19:20 UTC

On 04/01/2022 15:57, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> I believe the hat is to conceal the result of some medical
> incident or condition. Not really my kind of music either.

"Then in 2020, Gregory said the headgear is now part of his look: “It
started off covering some scars from surgery but it’s become my style."

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 by: Jim Lesurf - Wed, 5 Jan 2022 10:23 UTC

In article <j3e5c0Fs1g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I've explained countless times in detail what the differences are
> between BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like
> they are, and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same
> level . I'm not doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it, it'll
> be immortalised on Goggle Groups.

TBH Mark, on more than one occasion reading your informative explanations
I'd wished that they could be put together on a webpage or two as a central
source we could go to. Does anything like that already exist?

I did build something similar about the details of NICAM, etc, when fed by
those involved. This has since been useful as a reference on a number of
occasions and avoids people having to re-explain.

Jim

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 by: NY - Wed, 5 Jan 2022 13:17 UTC

"Jim Lesurf" <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:59a5f9cf05noise@audiomisc.co.uk...
> In article <j3e5c0Fs1g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I've explained countless times in detail what the differences are
>> between BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like
>> they are, and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same
>> level . I'm not doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it, it'll
>> be immortalised on Goggle Groups.
>
> TBH Mark, on more than one occasion reading your informative explanations
> I'd wished that they could be put together on a webpage or two as a
> central
> source we could go to. Does anything like that already exist?
>
> I did build something similar about the details of NICAM, etc, when fed by
> those involved. This has since been useful as a reference on a number of
> occasions and avoids people having to re-explain.

That would be very useful. Particularly to explain why BBC initially
implemented HD using a different topology to SD, which has made it very
difficult up to now for them to have HD regional news to the same extent as
for SD, and what they are doing about reversing the problem - which may or
may not be to implement an HD topology and signal flow which is more similar
to that for SD.

I can see that there is the extra complication for terrestrial that BBC One
and Two HD are combined with non-BBC ITV, CH4 and Five channels to form the
PSB3 mux. But there are regional versions of this, because ITV HD is
regional. Are there as many ITV HD regions on terrestrial as there are on
ITV SD?

Are regional BBC news studios fitted with HD cameras yet, in anticipation of
regional BBC One HD?

Was BBC One HD originally envisioned as not being regional, with regional
news only on BBC One SD, and now BBC are facing calls for regional HD. Or
was regional HD part of the plan all along but it's taken them a lot longer
to implement it than ITV?

How much spare transponder space is there on satellite, to accommodate
regional BBC One HD in the same way as there are some (*) ITV HD regions?

I'm sure these are all questions that have been answered at one time or
another; I'm just raising them as a checklist for what a consolidated web
page might contain.

(*) Though I believe fewer than for ITV HD terrestrial.

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 by: Mark Carver - Wed, 5 Jan 2022 13:44 UTC

On 05/01/2022 13:17, NY wrote:
> "Jim Lesurf" <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:59a5f9cf05noise@audiomisc.co.uk...
>> In article <j3e5c0Fs1g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> I've explained countless times in detail what the differences are
>>> between BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like
>>> they are, and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same
>>> level . I'm not doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it,
>>> it'll
>>> be immortalised on Goggle Groups.
>>
>> TBH Mark, on more than one occasion reading your informative
>> explanations
>> I'd wished that they could be put together on a webpage or two as a
>> central
>> source we could go to. Does anything like that already exist?
>>
>> I did build something similar about the details of NICAM, etc, when
>> fed by
>> those involved. This has since been useful as a reference on a number of
>> occasions and avoids people having to re-explain.
>
> That would be very useful. Particularly to explain why BBC initially
> implemented HD using a different topology to SD, which has made it
> very difficult up to now for them to have HD regional news to the same
> extent as for SD, and what they are doing about reversing the problem
> - which may or may not be to implement an HD topology and signal flow
> which is more similar to that for SD.

It's a good idea actually. I'll dig out what I've written and stick it
as a text file on my webspace
>
> I can see that there is the extra complication for terrestrial that
> BBC One and Two HD are combined with non-BBC ITV, CH4 and Five
> channels to form the PSB3 mux. But there are regional versions of
> this, because ITV HD is regional. Are there as many ITV HD regions on
> terrestrial as there are on ITV SD?
No, currently I think STV West, HTV Wales (? not sure) Ulster, Granada,
Central West, Meridian SE, and London. So in England PSB 3 has four HD
macro regions. The BBC could use those for their corresponding regions
without too much faffing about (well, extra codec cards), but then (for
instance) they'd end up with BBC West Midlands going out in Devon and
Cornwall, because ITV do the same for Central.

>
> Are regional BBC news studios fitted with HD cameras yet, in
> anticipation of regional BBC One HD?

It's not just the cameras that need upgrading, it's the vision mixer,
station router, graphics engines, servers, etc etc

London, Salford, and Plymouth have been ready for some years, I think
Cambridge is also ready. Southampton was done in November. Newcastle is
next on the list.
However, I don't think all of them will ready in time for the great
switch on this autumn. And they don't need to be, those not converted
can just appear as upscaled SD until they are done.
>
> Was BBC One HD originally envisioned as not being regional, with
> regional news only on BBC One SD, and now BBC are facing calls for
> regional HD. Or was regional HD part of the plan all along but it's
> taken them a lot longer to implement it than ITV?

ITV did all their regions about 10 years ago. They adopted a new
production workflow and template, and they all natively output in HD.
The Beeb were way behind with that process, and only really decided on
the template very recently. So ITV are ahead of the game.
All of the ITV regions except for Border:Scotland and Channel TV are
available on satellite in HD.
However, in order to accommodate their regions in HD, they've reduced
the number of regions in SD via satellite.
I can't imagine the BBC doing that in the short term,
>
>
> How much spare transponder space is there on satellite, to accommodate
> regional BBC One HD in the same way as there are some (*) ITV HD regions?

Not sure !

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