On 14/09/2021 11:19 am, Fran wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 9:15 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 8:55 am, Fran wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 8:41 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> On 14/09/2021 8:30 am, Fran wrote:
>>>>> On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the
>>>>>> current restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to
>>>>>> the mandating of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions)
>>>>>> and the mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is
>>>>>> discrimination against those who can't get vaccinated for medical
>>>>>> reasons or who won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>>>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>>>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this
>>>>>> legal discrimination.
>>>>>
>>>>> So?  There are more forms of legal discrimination that I have
>>>>> fingers and toes and no-one complains about them.
>>>>
>>>> Like?
>>>
>>> A classic one which you would recall is the age limits on OR ranks in
>>> the military.
>>
>> Fair enough and people under 18 can't vote or get into pubs
>>>
>>> personally I can't think of any that ban me or anyone from
>>>> entering a business.
>>>
>>> Yes you do, you will know that full face helmets and balaclavas stop
>>> going into a bank.
>>
>> But face-masks are now compulsory, that is apropos nothing but I find
>> it interesting
>>>
>>> However as they already exist does that mean we
>>>> need more?
>>>
>>> Given this is a disease and a very easily catchable one, I don't have
>>> a problem with it.  At least not yet.  I may as time goes on and we
>>> see more implications.
>>
>> As stated I don't have a problem with the current restriction but when
>> (hopefully not if) they are lifted and everybody has had a chance to
>> be vaccinated I am totally opposed to the mandating of vaccination for
>> workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of vaccination to
>> enter businesses.
>
> If I was still working, I'd like to know that everyone there was
> vaccinated. My staff used t think I was being nice when I told them to
> go home when they had a cold.  I wasn't.  It was pure self protection as
> I KNEW if cold or flu would start on one side of the floor, you cou;d
> watch the results as it would spread right through the floor.  Bloody
> air con!

When I did a stint as a Sale manager got the company to pay for the
teams flu vaccine as it was good business. Not everybody took it up and
I made sure nobody was sanctioned for not taking it
>>
>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination
>>>>>> against these are not mandated for employment or to enter
>>>>>> premises, why should COVID be any different.
>>>>>
>>>>> At a guess, I'd says because it's more transmissible, has a higher
>>>>> death rate and can lead to ongoing long term issues.
>>>>
>>>> True of measles mumps and rubella for example
>>>
>>> True BUT, I odnt' think they are as transmissable as Delta.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
>> Measles "It is extremely contagious: nine out of ten people who are
>> not immune and share living space with an infected person will be
>> infected."
>> " About 1 in 4 individuals will be hospitalized and 1–2 in 1000 will
>> die. Complications are more likely in children under age 5 and adults
>> over age 20"
>>
>> VACCINES ARE GREAT!!!!!
>
> No wonder sensible people get vaccinated.

I'm amazed that people don't take something that saves lives
>>
>>   Anyhow, I
>>> can't hink of one person who I know who is not vaccinated against
>>> those diseases. I had just this discussion with my doctor yesterday
>>> and about those very diseases and more (including polio)
>>
>> How do you know.
>
> I don't sit in a vaccuum and fail to talk to anyone.  We've had nearly 2
> years of this virus in our lives so lots of talking about vaccines and
> status have gone on and particularly about why it is that muppets object
> to getting vaccinated.
>
>
>   maybe it should be compulsory to show your vaccination
>> status for these diseases. HPV vaccination status before sex without a
>> condom?
>
> Well if I was single and doing the rounds of potential partners, I'd be
> seriously interested in that!
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>>>> overseas.
>>>>>
>>>>> How so?
>>>>
>>>> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for internal
>>>> travel in Australia.
>>>
>>> Would you have needed one (or similar proof of identity) prior to 1901?
>>
>> Wouldn't have thought so as it was travel between British Colonies
>>
>>> BTW, I don't consider that a major problem.  I need more cards and
>>> do-hickies in my daily life than I've ever needed to get O/S.
>>
>> I don't consider that a valid reason to expand the need for cards and
>> do-hickies
>
> It wasn't given as a reason.  It's simply an observation that I daily
> cope with more shit than a vaccine passport would cause me.

fair enough all the restrictions don't worry me
>

BOOHOO
The company for which I work requires field staff to have tetanus
injection. And that is not an infectious disease.
For something like COVID Delta everybody should get it or else go hide
in a fricking cave.

On 14/09/2021 10:33 pm, Miss Prendergast wrote:
> BOOHOO
> The company for which I work requires field staff to have tetanus
> injection.

who is that?

And that is not an infectious disease.
> For something like COVID Delta everybody should get it or else go hide
> in a fricking cave.

It was written by Dechucka:

> Miss Prendergast
>> BOOHOO The company for which I work requires field staff to have
>> tetanus injection.
>
> who is that?
>
> And that is not an infectious disease.

True, tetanus isn't.
But if the nature of the job is such that employees could get Clostridium
tetani infection, well then the interest of the employer is to keep them
all healthy and productive w/o unnecessary sick leaves.

Hey, I worked a while for a company where I not only had to have regular
vaccinations against half a dozen pathogens, but also had to submit
myself for yearly antibody titer testing to see if I was still
sufficiently immune against them.

OK..ok...ok! I am cheating here a bit...My employer was Immuno Austria
(now has been gobbled up by Roche) and I was working with un-screened
human blood products as well as full blood.

But my point is still valid. If employers want to keep highly trained
staff active and not sick (or dead), than imposing vaccine mandates are
quite legit. If people do not like this, fuck them, they should look for
other jobs w/o any OHS measures enforced.

>> For something like COVID Delta everybody should get it or else go hide
>> in a fricking cave.

--
Ördög - 👹️ - The newsgroup Devil at your service.

On 15/09/2021 7:36 am, *Ördög* wrote:
> It was written by Dechucka:
>
>> Miss Prendergast
>>> BOOHOO The company for which I work requires field staff to have
>>> tetanus injection.
>>
>> who is that?
>>
>> And that is not an infectious disease.
>
> True, tetanus isn't.
> But if the nature of the job is such that employees could get Clostridium
> tetani infection, well then the interest of the employer is to keep them
> all healthy and productive w/o unnecessary sick leaves.
>
> Hey, I worked a while for a company where I not only had to have regular
> vaccinations against half a dozen pathogens, but also had to submit
> myself for yearly antibody titer testing to see if I was still
> sufficiently immune against them.
>
> OK..ok...ok! I am cheating here a bit...My employer was Immuno Austria
> (now has been gobbled up by Roche) and I was working with un-screened
> human blood products as well as full blood.
>
> But my point is still valid. If employers want to keep highly trained
> staff active and not sick (or dead), than imposing vaccine mandates are
> quite legit. If people do not like this, fuck them, they should look for
> other jobs w/o any OHS measures enforced.

Fine make all vaccinations compulsory as it will be a huge saving for
the health care system.
What I don't like about the current debate is that there will be a 2
class Australian system where some are allowed to go about life as
normal and some are restricted based on their medical situation or
beliefs. As I said this seems to be legal discrimination and I do not
believe that discrimination is good for our society.
However given that we are currently in a State of Emergency till March
next year I am willing to wait before I take to the streets, hopefully
this pandemic will not be used to enhance discrimination and the power
of the State/Government of individuals beliefs.

Miss Prendergast wrote:
==================
>
> The company for which I work requires field staff to have tetanus
> injection. And that is not an infectious disease.
>
** Employers have a "duty of care" in relation to staff.
This implies all reasonable precautions be taken to keep staffers from arising from their work.
The situation with non work related harm is a bit different.
However, the workplace still needs to be safe and having non vaccinated staffers is a risk to themselves and others.
Think employers are on safe ground by insisting.

Anti vaxxers seem to have a mental condition similar to paranoia.
A paranoid fear of needles is one variety.

...... Phil

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 21:36:35 GMT, *Ördög* posted:-

> Hey, I worked

Liar

Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
> Ördög wrote
>> Dechucka wrote
>>> Miss Prendergast wrote

>>>> BOOHOO The company for which I work requires field staff to have
>>>> tetanus injection.
>>>
>>> who is that?
>>>
>>> And that is not an infectious disease.
>>
>> True, tetanus isn't.
>> But if the nature of the job is such that employees could get Clostridium
>> tetani infection, well then the interest of the employer is to keep them
>> all healthy and productive w/o unnecessary sick leaves.
>>
>> Hey, I worked a while for a company where I not only had to have regular
>> vaccinations against half a dozen pathogens, but also had to submit
>> myself for yearly antibody titer testing to see if I was still
>> sufficiently immune against them.
>>
>> OK..ok...ok! I am cheating here a bit...My employer was Immuno Austria
>> (now has been gobbled up by Roche) and I was working with un-screened
>> human blood products as well as full blood.
>>
>> But my point is still valid. If employers want to keep highly trained
>> staff active and not sick (or dead), than imposing vaccine mandates are
>> quite legit. If people do not like this, fuck them, they should look for
>> other jobs w/o any OHS measures enforced.
>
> Fine make all vaccinations compulsory as it will be a huge saving for the
> health care system.
> What I don't like about the current debate is that there will be a 2 class
> Australian system where some are allowed to go about life as normal and
> some are restricted based on their medical situation or beliefs. As I said
> this seems to be legal discrimination and I do not believe that
> discrimination is good for our society.

More utterly mindless bullshit. There will always be discrimination,
even if its only stuff like having to go to school if you are a child,
or the age at which you qualify for the aged pension etc.

There is already discrimination on the basis of whether your brat
has been vaccinated with schools and preschools etc, fuckwit.

Same with discrimination with dress code and behaviour as well.

> However given that we are currently in a State of Emergency till March
> next year I am willing to wait before I take to the streets,

If you do that everyone will just laugh at you, as always.

> hopefully this pandemic will not be used to enhance discrimination and the
> power of the State/Government of individuals beliefs.

On 14/09/2021 12:44 pm, Dechucka wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 11:19 am, Fran wrote:

>>> VACCINES ARE GREAT!!!!!
>>
>> No wonder sensible people get vaccinated.
>
>
> I'm amazed that people don't take something that saves lives

There's no cure for stupid and seemingly little interest amongst the
ignorant to correct their ignorance.
>>>
>>>   Anyhow, I
>>>> can't hink of one person who I know who is not vaccinated against
>>>> those diseases. I had just this discussion with my doctor yesterday
>>>> and about those very diseases and more (including polio)
>>>
>>> How do you know.
>>
>> I don't sit in a vaccuum and fail to talk to anyone.  We've had nearly
>> 2 years of this virus in our lives so lots of talking about vaccines
>> and status have gone on and particularly about why it is that muppets
>> object to getting vaccinated.
>>
>>
>>    maybe it should be compulsory to show your vaccination
>>> status for these diseases. HPV vaccination status before sex without
>>> a condom?
>>
>> Well if I was single and doing the rounds of potential partners, I'd
>> be seriously interested in that!
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>>>>> overseas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>
>>>>> I need a passport to travel overseas and don't need one for
>>>>> internal travel in Australia.
>>>>
>>>> Would you have needed one (or similar proof of identity) prior to 1901?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't have thought so as it was travel between British Colonies
>>>
>>>> BTW, I don't consider that a major problem.  I need more cards and
>>>> do-hickies in my daily life than I've ever needed to get O/S.
>>>
>>> I don't consider that a valid reason to expand the need for cards and
>>> do-hickies
>>
>> It wasn't given as a reason.  It's simply an observation that I daily
>> cope with more shit than a vaccine passport would cause me.
>
> fair enough all the restrictions don't worry me

The one that irritates me is the QR code and the assumption that
everyone can capture it and that everyone can use their phones to show
their vaccine status. The pollies, their staffers and the young
advisers need a very good kick up their arses about that assumption.

On 14/09/2021 10:33 pm, Miss Prendergast wrote:
> BOOHOO
> The company for which I work requires field staff to have tetanus
> injection. And that is not an infectious disease.
> For something like COVID Delta everybody should get it or else go hide
> in a fricking cave.

I sometimes spin greasy wool so I keep my tetanus injections up to date.

Fran <f2r2a3@loonynutters.com> wrote
> Dechucka wrote
>> Fran wrote

> The one that irritates me is the QR code and the assumption that everyone
> can capture it and that everyone can use their phones to show their
> vaccine status. The pollies, their staffers and the young advisers need a
> very good kick up their arses about that assumption.

There is no such assumption, they have a book you can write
your details in if you don’t have a phone that can do a QR code
or an electronic device some monkey enters your details in.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:15:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Fran <f2r2a3@loonynutters.com> wrote
>> Dechucka wrote
>>> Fran wrote
>
>> The one that irritates me is the QR code and the assumption that everyone
>> can capture it and that everyone can use their phones to show their
>> vaccine status. The pollies, their staffers and the young advisers need a
>> very good kick up their arses about that assumption.
>
>There is no such assumption, they have a book you can write
>your details in if you don’t have a phone that can do a QR code
>or an electronic device some monkey enters your details in.

I have downloaded all my vaccination details including the current
virus shots from the "MyGov" web site. I make copies to my mobile
phone, and hard copies to keep in the car. I have not yet checked
going to night clubs & similar institutions.

Peter Jason wrote:
================
>
> I have downloaded all my vaccination details including the current
> virus shots from the "MyGov" web site. I make copies to my mobile
> phone, and hard copies to keep in the car.

** Hoping to get mine soon.

Regarding the hard copies, how do strangers get to know the docs are for you ?
Photo ID needed ?

...... Phil

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 07:56:01 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 15/09/2021 7:36 am, *Ördög* wrote:
>> It was written by Dechucka:
>>
>>> Miss Prendergast
>>>> BOOHOO The company for which I work requires field staff to have
>>>> tetanus injection.
>>>
>>> who is that?
>>>
>>> And that is not an infectious disease.
>>
>> True, tetanus isn't.
>> But if the nature of the job is such that employees could get Clostridium
>> tetani infection, well then the interest of the employer is to keep them
>> all healthy and productive w/o unnecessary sick leaves.
>>
>> Hey, I worked a while for a company where I not only had to have regular
>> vaccinations against half a dozen pathogens, but also had to submit
>> myself for yearly antibody titer testing to see if I was still
>> sufficiently immune against them.
>>
>> OK..ok...ok! I am cheating here a bit...My employer was Immuno Austria
>> (now has been gobbled up by Roche) and I was working with un-screened
>> human blood products as well as full blood.
>>
>> But my point is still valid. If employers want to keep highly trained
>> staff active and not sick (or dead), than imposing vaccine mandates are
>> quite legit. If people do not like this, fuck them, they should look for
>> other jobs w/o any OHS measures enforced.
>
>Fine make all vaccinations compulsory as it will be a huge saving for
>the health care system.
>What I don't like about the current debate is that there will be a 2
>class Australian system where some are allowed to go about life as
>normal and some are restricted based on their medical situation or
>beliefs. As I said this seems to be legal discrimination and I do not
>believe that discrimination is good for our society.
>However given that we are currently in a State of Emergency till March
>next year I am willing to wait before I take to the streets, hopefully
>this pandemic will not be used to enhance discrimination and the power
>of the State/Government of individuals beliefs.
>
when I got double Covid vaxed with AZ I be lived and saw no reason why
I could not get on with life.
The vaccination either works or it doesn't, if it doesn't all this has
been a waste of time and money
Seems to me Clive Palmer has a point.
Here he is facing fakenews journalism
https://youtu.be/pDkNHmCYPw4
--
Petzl
"Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
countries we call it bribery.
However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
we call it lobbying.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>On 15/09/2021 7:36 am, *Ördög* wrote:
>>> It was written by Dechucka:
>>>
>>>> Miss Prendergast
>>>>> BOOHOO The company for which I work requires field staff to have
>>>>> tetanus injection.
>>>>
>>>> who is that?
>>>>
>>>> And that is not an infectious disease.
>>>
>>> True, tetanus isn't.
>>> But if the nature of the job is such that employees could get
>>> Clostridium
>>> tetani infection, well then the interest of the employer is to keep them
>>> all healthy and productive w/o unnecessary sick leaves.
>>>
>>> Hey, I worked a while for a company where I not only had to have regular
>>> vaccinations against half a dozen pathogens, but also had to submit
>>> myself for yearly antibody titer testing to see if I was still
>>> sufficiently immune against them.
>>>
>>> OK..ok...ok! I am cheating here a bit...My employer was Immuno Austria
>>> (now has been gobbled up by Roche) and I was working with un-screened
>>> human blood products as well as full blood.
>>>
>>> But my point is still valid. If employers want to keep highly trained
>>> staff active and not sick (or dead), than imposing vaccine mandates are
>>> quite legit. If people do not like this, fuck them, they should look for
>>> other jobs w/o any OHS measures enforced.
>>
>>Fine make all vaccinations compulsory as it will be a huge saving for
>>the health care system.
>>What I don't like about the current debate is that there will be a 2
>>class Australian system where some are allowed to go about life as
>>normal and some are restricted based on their medical situation or
>>beliefs. As I said this seems to be legal discrimination and I do not
>>believe that discrimination is good for our society.
>>However given that we are currently in a State of Emergency till March
>>next year I am willing to wait before I take to the streets, hopefully
>>this pandemic will not be used to enhance discrimination and the power
>>of the State/Government of individuals beliefs.

> when I got double Covid vaxed with AZ I be lived
> and saw no reason why I could not get on with life.

> The vaccination either works or it doesn't,

It isn't that black and white. With the delta there is in
fact still something like a 50% risk of getting infected
and if you are infected you can still infect others.

Full vaccination radically reduces the risk of severe disease,
but isn't anything like as good at reducing infection.

And if you are fully vaccinated you are much less
likely to notice that you are infected too, so are
much more likely to infect others too.

> if it doesn't all this has been a waste of time and money

Nope, because it does radically reduce the risk
of severe disease and being killed by the virus.

> Seems to me Clive Palmer has a point.

No he does not.

> Here he is facing fakenews journalism
> https://youtu.be/pDkNHmCYPw4

He is facing those who have a clue about the virus.

On 15/09/2021 9:18 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 07:56:01 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15/09/2021 7:36 am, *Ördög* wrote:
>>> It was written by Dechucka:
>>>
>>>> Miss Prendergast
>>>>> BOOHOO The company for which I work requires field staff to have
>>>>> tetanus injection.
>>>>
>>>> who is that?
>>>>
>>>> And that is not an infectious disease.
>>>
>>> True, tetanus isn't.
>>> But if the nature of the job is such that employees could get Clostridium
>>> tetani infection, well then the interest of the employer is to keep them
>>> all healthy and productive w/o unnecessary sick leaves.
>>>
>>> Hey, I worked a while for a company where I not only had to have regular
>>> vaccinations against half a dozen pathogens, but also had to submit
>>> myself for yearly antibody titer testing to see if I was still
>>> sufficiently immune against them.
>>>
>>> OK..ok...ok! I am cheating here a bit...My employer was Immuno Austria
>>> (now has been gobbled up by Roche) and I was working with un-screened
>>> human blood products as well as full blood.
>>>
>>> But my point is still valid. If employers want to keep highly trained
>>> staff active and not sick (or dead), than imposing vaccine mandates are
>>> quite legit. If people do not like this, fuck them, they should look for
>>> other jobs w/o any OHS measures enforced.
>>
>> Fine make all vaccinations compulsory as it will be a huge saving for
>> the health care system.
>> What I don't like about the current debate is that there will be a 2
>> class Australian system where some are allowed to go about life as
>> normal and some are restricted based on their medical situation or
>> beliefs. As I said this seems to be legal discrimination and I do not
>> believe that discrimination is good for our society.
>> However given that we are currently in a State of Emergency till March
>> next year I am willing to wait before I take to the streets, hopefully
>> this pandemic will not be used to enhance discrimination and the power
>> of the State/Government of individuals beliefs.
>>
> when I got double Covid vaxed with AZ I be lived and saw no reason why
> I could not get on with life.

Well you should have tried to understand how a vaccination campaign in a
pandemic work

> The vaccination either works or it doesn't,

It does

> if it doesn't all this has
> been a waste of time and money
> Seems to me Clive Palmer has a point.

What is Clive's point?

> Here he is facing fakenews journalism
> https://youtu.be/pDkNHmCYPw4
>

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 00:13:45 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Jason wrote:
>================
>>
>> I have downloaded all my vaccination details including the current
>> virus shots from the "MyGov" web site. I make copies to my mobile
>> phone, and hard copies to keep in the car.
>
>** Hoping to get mine soon.
>
>Regarding the hard copies, how do strangers get to know the docs are for you ?
>Photo ID needed ?
>
>
>
>..... Phil
Yes, perhaps linking to driver's licence's containing the usual
mugshot. This virus is going to give biometrics a big boost.

On 14/09/2021 7:53 am, Dechucka wrote:
> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating of
> vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of
> vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against those
> who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who won't for religious,
> crazed personal beliefs etc.
> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
> fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why should
> COVID be any different.
> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel overseas.

The mandatory vaccination to enter businesses it going to be a sad thing
for families who won't be able to enter these business with their kids
for a long time.

It was written by Dechucka:

> Petz
>> Dechucka
>>> Ördög
>>>> Dechucka
>>>>> Miss Prendergast
>>>>>> BOOHOO The company for which I work requires field staff to have
>>>>>> tetanus injection.
>>>>>
>>>>> who is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is not an infectious disease.
>>>>
>>>> True, tetanus isn't.
>>>> But if the nature of the job is such that employees could get
>>>> Clostridium tetani infection, well then the interest of the employer
>>>> is to keep them all healthy and productive w/o unnecessary sick
>>>> leaves.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I worked a while for a company where I not only had to have
>>>> regular vaccinations against half a dozen pathogens, but also had to
>>>> submit myself for yearly antibody titer testing to see if I was still
>>>> sufficiently immune against them.
>>>>
>>>> OK..ok...ok! I am cheating here a bit...My employer was Immuno
>>>> Austria (now has been gobbled up by Roche) and I was working with
>>>> un-screened human blood products as well as full blood.
>>>>
>>>> But my point is still valid. If employers want to keep highly trained
>>>> staff active and not sick (or dead), than imposing vaccine mandates
>>>> are quite legit. If people do not like this, fuck them, they should
>>>> look for other jobs w/o any OHS measures enforced.
>>>
>>> Fine make all vaccinations compulsory as it will be a huge saving for
>>> the health care system.
>>> What I don't like about the current debate is that there will be a 2
>>> class Australian system where some are allowed to go about life as
>>> normal and some are restricted based on their medical situation or
>>> beliefs. As I said this seems to be legal discrimination and I do not
>>> believe that discrimination is good for our society.
>>> However given that we are currently in a State of Emergency till March
>>> next year I am willing to wait before I take to the streets, hopefully
>>> this pandemic will not be used to enhance discrimination and the power
>>> of the State/Government of individuals beliefs.
>>>
>> when I got double Covid vaxed with AZ I be lived and saw no reason why
>> I could not get on with life.
>
What life is he talking bout?
As far as I know GoonBag supplies for Petz have never run out due to
Covid, so why is he whinging?
>
> Well you should have tried to understand how a vaccination campaign in a
> pandemic work
>
The only problem, Petz has never understood the following concepts:

- Virus and viral disease
- a cure vs vaccination
- pandemic vs low level random infections (i.e. epidemiology)

>> The vaccination either works or it doesn't,
>
> It does
>
Yes it does, but no vaccine achieves 100% immunity in the population just
like no drug can cure everyone, if for no other reason then simply just
due to the normal biological variations both in the pathogens and humans.

It is sadly rare to eradicate a pathogen completely from the population.

>> if it doesn't all this has been a waste of time and money Seems to me
>> Clive Palmer has a point.
>
> What is Clive's point?
>
Clive's only ever point is that he is very concerned about Clive's own
pocket. Luckily most of his schemes like the 'Titanic 2' went the same
way as 'Titatnic 1' did.
>
>> Here he is facing fakenews journalism

Clive is faking himself all the time, he is his own caricature!
If journalists denied him air time by now everybody would have realised
he was just another run of the mill power hungry narcissistic dandy much
too rich for his own good.

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Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
> Dechucka wrote

>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating of
>> vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the mandating of
>> vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination against those who
>> can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who won't for religious,
>> crazed personal beliefs etc.
>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a logical
>> fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why should
>> COVID be any different.
>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>> overseas.
>
> The mandatory vaccination to enter businesses it going to be a sad thing
> for families who won't be able to enter these business with their kids for
> a long time.

More mindless bullshit, the kids will be exempt, fuckwit.

On 16/09/2021 7:55 am, *Ördög* wrote:
> It was written by Dechucka:
>
>> Petz
>>> Dechucka
>>>> Ördög
>>>>> Dechucka
>>>>>> Miss Prendergast
>>>>>>> BOOHOO The company for which I work requires field staff to have
>>>>>>> tetanus injection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> who is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that is not an infectious disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> True, tetanus isn't.
>>>>> But if the nature of the job is such that employees could get
>>>>> Clostridium tetani infection, well then the interest of the employer
>>>>> is to keep them all healthy and productive w/o unnecessary sick
>>>>> leaves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, I worked a while for a company where I not only had to have
>>>>> regular vaccinations against half a dozen pathogens, but also had to
>>>>> submit myself for yearly antibody titer testing to see if I was still
>>>>> sufficiently immune against them.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK..ok...ok! I am cheating here a bit...My employer was Immuno
>>>>> Austria (now has been gobbled up by Roche) and I was working with
>>>>> un-screened human blood products as well as full blood.
>>>>>
>>>>> But my point is still valid. If employers want to keep highly trained
>>>>> staff active and not sick (or dead), than imposing vaccine mandates
>>>>> are quite legit. If people do not like this, fuck them, they should
>>>>> look for other jobs w/o any OHS measures enforced.
>>>>
>>>> Fine make all vaccinations compulsory as it will be a huge saving for
>>>> the health care system.
>>>> What I don't like about the current debate is that there will be a 2
>>>> class Australian system where some are allowed to go about life as
>>>> normal and some are restricted based on their medical situation or
>>>> beliefs. As I said this seems to be legal discrimination and I do not
>>>> believe that discrimination is good for our society.
>>>> However given that we are currently in a State of Emergency till March
>>>> next year I am willing to wait before I take to the streets, hopefully
>>>> this pandemic will not be used to enhance discrimination and the power
>>>> of the State/Government of individuals beliefs.
>>>>
>>> when I got double Covid vaxed with AZ I be lived and saw no reason why
>>> I could not get on with life.
>>
> What life is he talking bout?
> As far as I know GoonBag supplies for Petz have never run out due to
> Covid, so why is he whinging?
>>
>> Well you should have tried to understand how a vaccination campaign in a
>> pandemic work
>>
> The only problem, Petz has never understood the following concepts:
>
> - Virus and viral disease
> - a cure vs vaccination
> - pandemic vs low level random infections (i.e. epidemiology)

Obviously doesn't understand that it is not all about him
>
>>> The vaccination either works or it doesn't,
>>
>> It does
>>
> Yes it does, but no vaccine achieves 100% immunity in the population just
> like no drug can cure everyone, if for no other reason then simply just
> due to the normal biological variations both in the pathogens and humans.

This of course leaves some vaccinated people capable of spreading the
disease

>
> It is sadly rare to eradicate a pathogen completely from the population.

You can't if there are other reservoirs for the pathogen. Smallpox
eradication worked because over the years it evolved to have humans as
its' only host.

>
>>> if it doesn't all this has been a waste of time and money Seems to me
>>> Clive Palmer has a point.
>>
>> What is Clive's point?
>>
> Clive's only ever point is that he is very concerned about Clive's own
> pocket. Luckily most of his schemes like the 'Titanic 2' went the same
> way as 'Titatnic 1' did.

I'm not sure how spreading lies about COVID 19s existence, spreading
lies about vaccinations, pushing unproven 'cures' and irritating the
shit out of with his text spam helps his pocket. Ok it stokes his ego by
making him think he is actually relevent to the debate
>>
>>> Here he is facing fakenews journalism
>
> Clive is faking himself all the time, he is his own caricature!
> If journalists denied him air time by now everybody would have realised
> he was just another run of the mill power hungry narcissistic dandy much
> too rich for his own good.

Wonder if he'll put up and names the AZ/Pfizer lobbyist who is paying
10s of $millions to Gladys to ruin businesses in NSW?

On 16/09/2021 8:11 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Dechucka wrote
>
>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating
>>> of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the
>>> mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination
>>> against those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who
>>> won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>> should COVID be any different.
>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>> overseas.
>>
>> The mandatory vaccination to enter businesses it going to be a sad
>> thing for families who won't be able to enter these business with
>> their kids for a long time.
>
> More mindless bullshit, the kids will be exempt, fuckwit.

If they are why have the discrimination as they are spreaders of COVID

Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Dechucka wrote
>>>> I am fully vaccinated and totally support vaccination and the current
>>>> restrictions. On the other hand I am totally opposed to the mandating
>>>> of vaccination for workplaces (with some exceptions) and the
>>>> mandating of vaccination to enter businesses as it is discrimination
>>>> against those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons or who
>>>> won't for religious, crazed personal beliefs etc.
>>>> I know the 'slippery slope' argument is considered by some as a
>>>> logical fallacy, I don't considering history, but this is this legal
>>>> discrimination. There are lots of deadly communicable diseases in our
>>>> society that can be prevented by vaccination and vaccination against
>>>> these are not mandated for employment or to enter premises, why
>>>> should COVID be any different.
>>>> BTW totally different from the vaccination requirements to travel
>>>> overseas.
>>>
>>> The mandatory vaccination to enter businesses it going to be a sad
>>> thing for families who won't be able to enter these business with
>>> their kids for a long time.
>>
>> More mindless bullshit, the kids will be exempt, fuckwit.
> If they are why have the discrimination
> as they are spreaders of COVID

Because kids under 12 cant be vaccinated yet, fuckwit.

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>>>> The mandatory vaccination to enter businesses it going to be a sad
>>>> thing for families who won't be able to enter these business with
>>>> their kids for a long time.
>>>
>>> More mindless bullshit, the kids will be exempt, fuckwit.
>
>> If they are why have the discrimination as they are spreaders of COVID
>
> Because kids under 12 cant be vaccinated yet, fuckwit.

Obviously so what? Why should these potential viral spreaders be allowed
into businesses if those who can't be vaccinated or the crazed
anti-vaxxers aren't allowed in. Try and put up a cogent and non-abusive
argument.

Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote

>>>>> The mandatory vaccination to enter businesses it going to be a sad
>>>>> thing for families who won't be able to enter these business with
>>>>> their kids for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> More mindless bullshit, the kids will be exempt, fuckwit.
>>
>>> If they are why have the discrimination as they are spreaders of COVID
>>
>> Because kids under 12 cant be vaccinated yet, fuckwit.
>
> Obviously so what?

So it makes sense to allow them to go shopping
with the vaccinated parents, fuckwit.

> Why should these potential viral
> spreaders be allowed into businesses

Because single parents cant leave little kids
at home when they go shopping, fuckwit.

> if those who can't be vaccinated or the
> crazed anti-vaxxers aren't allowed in.

See above, fuckwit.