I have a Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray player with built in Freeview - I
think. Problem is none of the channel numbers ever seem to line up with TV
guides.

I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV" because Monty
Python i on tonight but despite re-tuning it just come up as an invalid
channel.

How can I ensure my channel numbers line up with the UK standard fro
Freeview - assuming there is such a thing?

Many thanks.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Every day is a good day for chicken, unless you're a chicken.

Jeff Gaines wrote:

> I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV"

Is your aerial pointing to a "full fat" transmitter, or a "freeview lite"
transmitter with limited muxes? Did you delete all channels before re-scanning?

What does the checker predict for you?

<https://www.freeview.co.uk/corporate/detailed-transmitter-information>

On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray

It doesn't have tuner, does it? Does it have an aerial input socket?
Somehow I doubt it.

Bill

On 14/03/2022 16:46, williamwright wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray
>
> It doesn't have tuner, does it? Does it have an aerial input socket?
> Somehow I doubt it.

I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder
what the device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?

--

Jeff

On 14/03/2022 16:59, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 16:46, williamwright wrote:
>> On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray
>>
>> It doesn't have tuner, does it? Does it have an aerial input socket?
>> Somehow I doubt it.
>
> I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder
> what the device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?
>
Strange.

Bill

Jeff Layman wrote:

> I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder what the
> device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?

Isn't it more likely the TV is displaying freeview itself?

On 14/03/2022 17:09, Andy Burns wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>
>> I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder what the
>> device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?
>
> Isn't it more likely the TV is displaying freeview itself?

Quite probably, but I was just replying to the first line in the OP's
post. The remote is probably controlling the TV, but it looks like that
requires retuning! Has the TV remote been lost, or does that show the
wrong channels displaying too?

--

Jeff

Jeff Layman wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>
>>> I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder what the
>>> device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?
>>
>> Isn't it more likely the TV is displaying freeview itself?
>
> Quite probably, but I was just replying to the first line in the OP's post.

sorry, I didn't see the different surname!

> The remote is probably controlling the TV,

yes, it looks like there are codes for the BR player to control different brands
of TV.

> but it looks like that requires retuning!
> Has the TV remote been lost, or does that show the wrong channels displaying too?

On 14/03/2022 17:32, Andy Burns wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:

>>
>> Quite probably, but I was just replying to the first line in the OP's post.
>
> sorry, I didn't see the different surname!

I'm not surprised seeing all those posts you make in comp.mobile.android ;-)

--

Jeff

Jeff Layman wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> sorry, I didn't see the different surname!
>
> I'm not surprised seeing all those posts you make in comp.mobile.android ;-)

:-)

On 14/03/2022 in message <j999riF8u47U1@mid.individual.net> williamwright
wrote:

>On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray
>
>It doesn't have tuner, does it? Does it have an aerial input socket?
>Somehow I doubt it.
>
>Bill

Apologies, it's a Panasonic DMR-PWT550, must have had the other one at
some time in the past :-(

I have re-tuned the DMR-PWT550 and the TV (a Panasonic Viera) and they
both come up with the same channels so presumably have similar innards.

The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode and
house number:

Name Region Parent Transmitter Grid Reference Distance
(km) Bearing° Aerial Group Now Aerial Group After
Most Likely Transmitter Hannington Meridian N/A SU 52740 56807 60 42 B H,T
H B H,T H

That may work better in a fixed font. I'll have to go outside with a
compass when it's light to see which way it's pointing, looks like a DAT
45 from ground level.

Andy's link also omits Channel 91 from available channels so presumably
it's not on the transmitter I'm using?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
life.
(Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

Jeff Gaines wrote:

> The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode and house
> number:
>
>     Name        Region    Parent Transmitter    Grid Reference    Distance
> (km)    Bearing°    Aerial Group Now    Aerial Group After
> Most Likely Transmitter    Hannington    Meridian    N/A    SU 52740 56807
> 60    42    B H,T H    B H,T H
>
> That may work better in a fixed font.

In the section below that, where it lists the signal strangths for individual
muxes per transmitter, which ones are shown in green (good signal)?

> I'll have to go outside with a compass
> when it's light to see which way it's pointing, looks like a DAT 45 from ground
> level.

Yeah, Hannington's a long way from me, so I don't know whether it only sends
certain muxes in certain directions, Mark will be along shortly, I expect.

> Andy's link also omits Channel 91 from available channels so presumably it's not
> on the transmitter I'm using?

Well if it is Hannington, I think that does have all national muxes

On 14/03/2022 in message <j99l1aFb15uU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:

>In the section below that, where it lists the signal strangths for
>individual muxes per transmitter, which ones are shown in green (good
>signal)?

Hannington (60 KM) is green for BBC A, D3&4, and BBC B.

Amber for SDN, ARQ A ARQ B and COM 7.

Rowridge (42 KM) the same except it's green for COM 7.

Salisbury (16 KM and son of Rowridge) is crap for everything.

I have no idea which one I'm using.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
life.
(Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> I have a Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray player with built in Freeview - I
> think. Problem is none of the channel numbers ever seem to line up with TV
> guides.
>
> I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV" because Monty
> Python i on tonight but despite re-tuning it just come up as an invalid
> channel.
>
> How can I ensure my channel numbers line up with the UK standard fro
> Freeview - assuming there is such a thing?
>
> Many thanks.
>
If it is any help, my TV which can receive SD and HD broadcasts finds
channel 91 and gives me a view of the programmes being broadcast.

My SD only PVR seems to find channel 91 as a number after a retune but
when I tune to it I just get "Invalid channel". So it looks as though
you need a device that can receive HD broadcasts to receive channel 91.

Jim

In article <t0ok03$qil$1@dont-email.me>,
Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:

> My SD only PVR seems to find channel 91 as a number after a retune
> but when I tune to it I just get "Invalid channel". So it looks
> as though you need a device that can receive HD broadcasts to
> receive channel 91.

Channel 91 is on COM7 and therefore it requires a T2 compatible
receiver.

Bob.

"Indy Jess John" <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote in message
news:t0ok03$qil$1@dont-email.me...
> On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>> I have a Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray player with built in Freeview - I
>> think. Problem is none of the channel numbers ever seem to line up with
>> TV
>> guides.
>>
>> I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV" because Monty
>> Python i on tonight but despite re-tuning it just come up as an invalid
>> channel.
>>
>> How can I ensure my channel numbers line up with the UK standard fro
>> Freeview - assuming there is such a thing?
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
> If it is any help, my TV which can receive SD and HD broadcasts finds
> channel 91 and gives me a view of the programmes being broadcast.
>
> My SD only PVR seems to find channel 91 as a number after a retune but
> when I tune to it I just get "Invalid channel". So it looks as though you
> need a device that can receive HD broadcasts to receive channel 91.

Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is even
listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105 listed
(BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?

Has anyone come across T1-only equipment which lists T2 channels but
(obviously) can't tune to them?

It is a great shame that T2 multiplexes (PSB3, COM7) are used for sub-SD as
well as for HD, because it confuses the hell out of people who think "this
channel is not HD so I ought to be able to receive it on SD-only equipment".

In article <t0po0i$ekt$1@dont-email.me>,
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> It is a great shame that T2 multiplexes (PSB3, COM7) are used for
> sub-SD as well as for HD, because it confuses the hell out of
> people who think "this channel is not HD so I ought to be able to
> receive it on SD-only equipment".

I agree that it causes some confusion but I think the problem lies in
people who should know better incorrectly linking T2 and HD to the
point where they're treated as synonymous. It's shops and the press
that push this false concept.

Bob.

On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:

> Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is even
> listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105 listed
> (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?

Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual:
Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].

What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.

--

Jeff

In article <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:

> > Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is
> > even listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels
> > 101-105 listed (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?

> Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
> has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual: Re-tuning
> only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below: 1 Press [FUNCTION
> MENU]. 2 Select ”Basic Settings• in ”Setup•, then press [OK]. 3 Select
> ”Auto Setup• in ”Tuning•, then press [OK]. 4 Select ”Yes•, then press
> [OK].

> What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.

Which, in the Crystal Palace area, won't include T2 with your original
aerial.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 15/03/2022 11:04, charles wrote:
> In article <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
>>> Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is
>>> even listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels
>>> 101-105 listed (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
>> Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
>> has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual: Re-tuning
>> only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below: 1 Press [FUNCTION
>> MENU]. 2 Select ”Basic Settings• in ”Setup•, then press [OK]. 3 Select
>> ”Auto Setup• in ”Tuning•, then press [OK]. 4 Select ”Yes•, then press
>> [OK].
>> What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
> Which, in the Crystal Palace area, won't include T2 with your original
> aerial.
>
PSB 3 (the main T2 mux) is on UHF Ch 30 from Crystal Palace (the old
home of C4 analogue) and within aerial group A.

It's COM 7 (the temporary T2 mux) that's on UHF Ch 55 from CP (and every
other Tx that carries it) and therefore miles outside Grp A

On 15/03/2022 in message <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:

>On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
>
>>Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is even
>>listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105
>>listed
>>(BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
>
>Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
>has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual:
>Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
>1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
>2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
>3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
>4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].
>
>What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.

OP here. Model number is (now) correct and I have done the retune several
times. The original question was along the lines of what sort order to use
(it gives a choice). I suspect COM 7 isn't very strong here, last time I
lived down here I had a DAT 75 with amplifiers all over the place but in
the end I gave up and got satellite. I'll think about it, not gong to pay
for Sky though, I have a Freesat recordable box.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day.
Tomorrow, isn't looking good either.

On 14/03/2022 19:57, Andy Burns wrote:
> Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>> The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode
>> and house number:
>>
>>      Name        Region    Parent Transmitter    Grid Reference   
>> Distance (km)    Bearing°    Aerial Group Now Aerial Group After
>> Most Likely Transmitter    Hannington    Meridian    N/A    SU 52740
>> 56807    60    42    B H,T H    B H,T H
>>
>> That may work better in a fixed font.
>
> In the section below that, where it lists the signal strangths for
> individual muxes per transmitter, which ones are shown in green (good
> signal)?
>
>> I'll have to go outside with a compass when it's light to see which
>> way it's pointing, looks like a DAT 45 from ground level.
>
> Yeah, Hannington's a long way from me, so I don't know whether it only
> sends certain muxes in certain directions, Mark will be along shortly,
> I expect.

Hello. Well all seven national muxes are omni directional. 50kW for
PSB1/2/3, 25kW for COM 4/5/6, and 27kW for COM 7

The six main muxes are all between 39 and 46, with COM 7 at 55.

I thought at first that the channel under discussion is with its sibling
That's TV channels on the local muxes.

Hannington carries the Reading and Basingstoke local muxes on UHF 34 and
32, but these are on narrow beams, that go nowhere near the OP.

However,  it seems to be That's Gold on PSB 3

Until the OP can tell us which transmitter he actually uses that's (no
pun intended) about as far as we can help.

On 15/03/2022 11:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 15/03/2022 in message <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:
>
>> On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
>>
>>> Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it
>>> is even
>>> listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105
>>> listed
>>> (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
>>
>> Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic
>> DMR-PWT550 has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the
>> manual:
>> Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
>> 1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
>> 2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
>> 3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
>> 4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].
>>
>> What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
>
> OP here. Model number is (now) correct and I have done the retune
> several times. The original question was along the lines of what sort
> order to use (it gives a choice). I suspect COM 7 isn't very strong
> here, last time I lived down here I had a DAT 75 with amplifiers all
> over the place but in the end I gave up and got satellite. I'll think
> about it, not gong to pay for Sky though, I have a Freesat recordable
> box.
>
Oh, if That's Gold is on COM 7, then yes the signal will be poor.
Because it shares the same channel for all transmitters that carry it,
you are very likely to be in the 'mangle' zone where Rowridge, and
possibly Mendip will be causing corruption. Forget it, COM 7 is closing
down in June anyway

On 15/03/2022 11:42, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 15/03/2022 11:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 15/03/2022 in message <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it
>>>> is even
>>>> listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105
>>>> listed
>>>> (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
>>>
>>> Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic
>>> DMR-PWT550 has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the
>>> manual:
>>> Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
>>> 1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
>>> 2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
>>> 3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
>>> 4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].
>>>
>>> What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
>>
>> OP here. Model number is (now) correct and I have done the retune
>> several times. The original question was along the lines of what sort
>> order to use (it gives a choice). I suspect COM 7 isn't very strong
>> here, last time I lived down here I had a DAT 75 with amplifiers all
>> over the place but in the end I gave up and got satellite. I'll think
>> about it, not gong to pay for Sky though, I have a Freesat recordable
>> box.
>>
> Oh, if That's Gold is on COM 7, then yes the signal will be poor.
> Because it shares the same channel for all transmitters that carry it,
> you are very likely to be in the 'mangle' zone where Rowridge, and
> possibly Mendip will be causing corruption. Forget it, COM 7 is closing
> down in June anyway

Good point. I was wondering why the OP's aerial is pointing to
Hannington anyway. His sig says he's in Dorset, and although it's
possible to receive Hannington in E or NE Dorset, it's still 40 miles or
so away. Wouldn't it make sense to try Rowridge? If there's any
interference from France, he could change polarity.

--

Jeff

Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 15/03/2022 11:04, charles wrote:
>> In article <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
>> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
>>>> Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is
>>>> even listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels
>>>> 101-105 listed (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
>>> Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
>>> has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual: Re-tuning
>>> only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below: 1 Press [FUNCTION
>>> MENU]. 2 Select ”Basic Settings• in ”Setup•, then press [OK]. 3 Select
>>> ”Auto Setup• in ”Tuning•, then press [OK]. 4 Select ”Yes•, then press
>>> [OK].
>>> What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
>> Which, in the Crystal Palace area, won't include T2 with your original
>> aerial.
>>
> PSB 3 (the main T2 mux) is on UHF Ch 30 from Crystal Palace (the old
> home of C4 analogue) and within aerial group A.
>
> It's COM 7 (the temporary T2 mux) that's on UHF Ch 55 from CP (and every
> other Tx that carries it) and therefore miles outside Grp A
>
>

You might be amazed what the wrong aerial can receive on DTT. Mine is a
narrow band aerial originally put up for when Waltham was at the top end of
the band. In those days decent analogue reception here was considered
difficult, to the extent that many used wrong region Sutton Coldfield.

Now Waltham is largely transmitting down at the bottom end of the band, but
this incorrect aerial brings in the MUXes without a problem. In fact I can
construct a dipole from stripped coax and tape it to the upstairs window
and get reception, something that was never possible in analogue days.