On 05/07/2021 12:04, MrSpud_l9x9eCkcz2@xlz7e8ptqagdod7x0.com wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:50:17 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <MrSpud_nvR6m_@qthp7cyi.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 09:50:37 +0100
>>> There is a certain level of social responsibility that every citizen should
>>> hold themselves to regardless of their jobs.
>>
>> They presumably believe that the tendering rules haven't been followed
>> correctly, which is very likely. The fact that another unsuccessful bidder
>> apparently collected an out-of-court settlement would appear to confirm
>> that.
>
> Not necessarily , it might simply have been cheaper to pay them off than
> battling it out in court.
>
> Either way any decision the government makes should be final as far as
> any bidders are concerned,

That could be good news for Politician's Brother-in-Law Train Supplies
(Cayman Islands) Ltd, and bad news for people who know how to build trains.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 18:09:17 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
><MrSpud_l9x9eCkcz2@xlz7e8ptqagdod7x0.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:50:17 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At a technical level, Hitachi, with experience of Mini Shinkansens, is
>>> probably the bidder with the most relevant experience for the HS2 fleet.
>>> The E6 won't need many changes to meet the HS2 requirements. Conversely,
>>> the Velaros would need to be redesigned.
>>>
>>>
><https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/25803344443/in/album-72157664801093584/
>
>>
>> God thats an ugly train.
>>
>>
>
>Designed to create less 'boom' entering tunnels at high speed (the boom is
>at the tunnel exit, when the train enters the other end).

Fair enough. Though in europe they solved it much more elegantly by putting
pressure relief boxes on the front of some of the tunnels so it builds up
gradually and you don't get the boom. Interestingly the entrance to the tunnel
going southbound on the piccadilly line at southgate has a staggered reduction
in tunnel size presumably for the same reason.

On Mon, 05 Jul 2021 19:40:42 +0100
Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:04:57 +0000 (UTC),
>MrSpud_l9x9eCkcz2@xlz7e8ptqagdod7x0.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:50:17 -0000 (UTC)
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>><https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/25803344443/in/album-7215766480109358
>4/
>>
>>God thats an ugly train.
>
>Japan does ugly trains better than anywhere else in the world.
>
>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JRW_N700-7000series_S1.jpg

One hell of a loading gauge though.

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 21:24:18 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:04:57 +0000 (UTC),
>>> MrSpud_l9x9eCkcz2@xlz7e8ptqagdod7x0.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:50:17 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
><https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/25803344443/in/album-72157664801093584/
>
>>>>
>>>> God thats an ugly train.
>>>
>>> Japan does ugly trains better than anywhere else in the world.
>>>
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JRW_N700-7000series_S1.jpg
>>>
>>
>> At the opposite end of the spectrum, try this
>> <https://twitter.com/narrow_1/status/1410749503980769288?s=21> or this
>> <https://twitter.com/n_sotetsu/status/1379834906579247106?s=21>
>>
>
>Neil will probably love those — he seems to disapprove of streamlined
>trains.

Just because I said the 710s look fugly? I stand by that, they do, they could
give some of these jap trains a run for their money.

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 21:24:18 -0000 (UTC), Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:04:57 +0000 (UTC),
>>> MrSpud_l9x9eCkcz2@xlz7e8ptqagdod7x0.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:50:17 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/25803344443/in/album-72157664801093584/
>>>>
>>>> God thats an ugly train.
>>>
>>> Japan does ugly trains better than anywhere else in the world.
>>>
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JRW_N700-7000series_S1.jpg
>>>
>>
>> At the opposite end of the spectrum, try this
>> <https://twitter.com/narrow_1/status/1410749503980769288?s=21> or this
>> <https://twitter.com/n_sotetsu/status/1379834906579247106?s=21>
>>
>
>Neil will probably love those — he seems to disapprove of streamlined
>trains.

That yellow thing looks very much like a Tyne and Wear metro.

I think our class 458s and 175s are bloody ugly. And the story goes that when
Chris Green saw one of the Class 317 trains he'd found himself in charge of he
swore that never again would he allow something that ugly to be introduced onto
his railway. Personally I don't mind the look of a 317 or 156.

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:06:15 +0000 (UTC), MrSpud_i6d8@djs3z7hcx_h1fxiaxldv.biz
wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:52:04 -0000 (UTC)
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>><MrSpud_5ku_p@1lm131gx7b.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:37:23 +0100
>>> There should be legal comeback on any directors who undertake speculative
>>> legal proceedings with personal fines to be decided by the court.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Given that Talgo apparently received a settlement, that suggests that the
>>DfT is the one at fault. Should Shapps be fined personally?
>
>The DfT should be free to make decisions based on its own criteria, not those
>of the manufacturers. And as I said in another post, it might have been
>cheaper simply to pay them off that fight it out. Happens all the time when
>complaints are made.

I agree, but those criteria would have been spelled out and the bids should have
been evaluated transparently.

The specification for the trains will have been described in the tender
documents as will the evaluation criteria. If the purchaser then bases its
decision on something other than the published criteria then it's made the
tenderer waste millions of pounds on the bid and they deserve compensation.

I imagine that's the basis for the court cases and I don't find it hard to
believe that the DfT played dirty.

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 11:04:57 +0000 (UTC),
>> MrSpud_l9x9eCkcz2@xlz7e8ptqagdod7x0.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:50:17 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/25803344443/in/album-72157664801093584/
>>>
>>> God thats an ugly train.
>>
>> Japan does ugly trains better than anywhere else in the world.
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JRW_N700-7000series_S1.jpg
>>
>
> At the opposite end of the spectrum, try this
> <https://twitter.com/narrow_1/status/1410749503980769288?s=21> or this
> <https://twitter.com/n_sotetsu/status/1379834906579247106?s=21>

That last seems like a flatter, squarer 4SUB. According to the advert that
wasn’t good for Dolly Parton, either.

Sam

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