On 03/07/2021 17:44, MB wrote:
> On 02/07/2021 08:15, tim... wrote:
>> we don't get these things done by the "doctor", but by the Nurse
>>
>> and if you contract them from a private clinic, as you might have to
>> for the
>> ones that are paid for. it could be someone with no medical "status"
>> at all.
>> Just someone trained in giving injections.
>
> There have been a wide range of people doing vaccinations, obviously the
> military, St John's, Red Cross etc.  They have been put through a
> training course then some sort of certification.
>
> I have seen comments that some procedures like that are better when done
> by a nurse than a doctor because they get more practice.
I know two recently retired GPS who are still registered and volunteered
for the vaccination centres. It turned out they had to undertake some
additional training such as equality and they withdrew.

On 03/07/2021 17:50, MB wrote:
> On 02/07/2021 20:06, ColinR wrote:
>> Normal process is to put on a special sailing outside normal operating
>> hours.
>
>
> When I have seen them it has been during the day, presumably someone had
> found a "nasty" and they wanted it made safe as soon aspossible.

Most island services have non-public sailings for dangerous cargo anyway.

In message <sbq4q9$al3$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:12 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 03/07/2021 11:59, Roland Perry wrote:
>> Absolutely. When I was first selling computers in the late 70's the
>> predictions were that everyone would end up working maybe only three
>> days a week as a result, and they'd need to find extra leisure things to
>> do the other four days. That was based on the assumption that total
>> wages for the three-day week would be as much as for a five-day week, on
>> account of the greater productivity, and that the available work would
>> be spread across the labour force, rather than there being 40%
>> unemployment. How wrong could pundits be!
>
> "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
>
>Thomas J. Watson, president of IBM

You can add that to wonky predictions such as "there will never be a
mass market for cars, there aren't enough chauffeurs available" and
"phones will never be mass market, you'd have to install a wire to every
house in the country".
--
Roland Perry

On 03/07/2021 19:58, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> I know two recently retired GPS who are still registered and volunteered
> for the vaccination centres. It turned out they had to undertake some
> additional training such as equality and they withdrew.

Good for them, I would never put up with any of that rubbish.

In message <sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:

>> There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>people who aren't doing their regular job are spending that remainder
>>of the time relaxing. But that's never going to always be the case.

>> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
>> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time being
>> a taxi driver?
>
>That's the loophole with a tacho.

But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams, buses,
white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after a night
as a cabbie.
--
Roland Perry

On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>
>>>  There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>> people  who aren't doing their regular job are spending that
>>> remainder of the  time relaxing. But that's never going to always be
>>> the case.
>
> >> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
> >> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time being
> >> a taxi driver?
>>
>> That's the loophole with a tacho.
>
> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams, buses,
> white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after a night
> as a cabbie.

Cabbies have no tachos and can work 24/7 without getting a second job.

--
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In message <sbs57m$a3e$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:15:00 on Sun, 4 Jul 2021,
Basil Jet <basil@spamspamspam.com> remarked:
>On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul
>>2021, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>
>>>>  There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>>>people  who aren't doing their regular job are spending that
>>>>remainder of the  time relaxing. But that's never going to always be
>>>>
>>
>> >> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
>> >> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time
>> >>being a taxi driver?
>>>
>>> That's the loophole with a tacho.

>> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams,
>>buses, white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after
>>a night as a cabbie.
>
>Cabbies have no tachos

Yes, that's the point.

>and can work 24/7 without getting a second job.

Legally? The WTD would suggest otherwise (let alone any extra layers of
road traffic law).
--
Roland Perry

On 04/07/2021 12:15, Basil Jet wrote:
> On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul
>> 2021, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>
>>>>  There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>>> people  who aren't doing their regular job are spending that
>>>> remainder of the  time relaxing. But that's never going to always be
>>>> the case.
>>
>>  >> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
>>  >> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time
>> being  >> a taxi driver?
>>>
>>> That's the loophole with a tacho.
>>
>> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams,
>> buses, white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after
>> a night as a cabbie.
>
> Cabbies have no tachos and can work 24/7 without getting a second job.
>

I read that as second jab.

--
Graeme Wall
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On 7/3/21 1:10 PM, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <sblibr$td9$4@dont-email.me>, at 23:16:11 on Thu, 1 Jul 2021,
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>
>>> In October 2018 I visited Japan, starting with Sapporo in the north where
>>> it was similar weather to what you'd expect in the UK at that time of year.
>>> Two weeks later we were in Okinawa, several hundred km south; on our
>>> snorkelling trip, the guide told us it was his second-last week of the
>>> season there, and after a few weeks break he was off to Hokkaido to be a
>>> ski instructor for the winter!
>>
>> Long ago (before the Internet and readily obtainable weather
>> information) I got caught out when visiting Japan in December, under the
>> mistaken impression it would be fairly hot; but it was colder than the
>> UK :(
>>
>
> Japan is a long, north-south country; just as you wouldn't expect similar
> weather in Inverness and Sicily, you don't get similar weather in Sapporo
> and Naha :)
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
>
>
A lot of cold air comes off of Far Eastern Russia, in Hokkaido's case.

On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message<sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>
>>> There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>> people who aren't doing their regular job are spending that remainder
>>> of the time relaxing. But that's never going to always be the case.
> >> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
> >> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time being
> >> a taxi driver?
>> That's the loophole with a tacho.
> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams, buses,
> white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after a night
> as a cabbie.

I think if someone had an accident and it was found they had a second
unrecorded job or even been doing hard physical work at home then they
would be hit harder in court. Sure there have been cases like that.

On 04/07/2021 17:33, MB wrote:
> On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message<sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
>> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk  remarked:
>>
>>>>   There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>>> people  who aren't doing their regular job are spending that remainder
>>>> of the  time relaxing. But that's never going to always be the case.
>>   >> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
>>   >> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time being
>>   >> a taxi driver?
>>> That's the loophole with a tacho.
>> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams, buses,
>> white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after a night
>> as a cabbie.
>
> I think if someone had an accident and it was found they had a second
> unrecorded job or even been doing hard physical work at home then they
> would be hit harder in court.  Sure there have been cases like that.
>

As Roland said, the Working Time Directive comes into play then.

--
Graeme Wall
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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 04/07/2021 17:33, MB wrote:
>> On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message<sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
>>> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk  remarked:
>>>
>>>>>   There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>>>> people  who aren't doing their regular job are spending that remainder
>>>>> of the  time relaxing. But that's never going to always be the case.
>>>   >> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
>>>   >> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time being
>>>   >> a taxi driver?
>>>> That's the loophole with a tacho.
>>> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams, buses,
>>> white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after a night
>>> as a cabbie.
>>
>> I think if someone had an accident and it was found they had a second
>> unrecorded job or even been doing hard physical work at home then they
>> would be hit harder in court.  Sure there have been cases like that.
>>
>
> As Roland said, the Working Time Directive comes into play then.
>

For building your own patio? Or going for a 16-mile hike on your day off?

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <sbsnrb$bdv$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:33:18 on Sun, 4 Jul 2021,
MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message<sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
>> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>
>>>> There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>>> people who aren't doing their regular job are spending that remainder
>>>> of the time relaxing. But that's never going to always be the case.

>> >> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
>> >> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time being
>> >> a taxi driver?

>>> That's the loophole with a tacho.

>> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams, buses,
>> white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after a night
>> as a cabbie.
>
>I think if someone had an accident and it was found they had a second
>unrecorded job or even been doing hard physical work at home then they
>would be hit harder in court. Sure there have been cases like that.

Maybe so, but the law is intended to be a deterrent to people getting
into that situation.
--
Roland Perry

In message <sbso59$cev$3@dont-email.me>, at 17:38:01 on Sun, 4 Jul 2021,
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 04/07/2021 17:33, MB wrote:
>> On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message<sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
>>> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk  remarked:
>>>
>>>>>   There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>>>> people  who aren't doing their regular job are spending that remainder
>>>>> of the  time relaxing. But that's never going to always be the case.
>>>   >> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
>>>   >> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time being
>>>   >> a taxi driver?
>>>> That's the loophole with a tacho.
>>> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams, buses,
>>> white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after a night
>>> as a cabbie.
>> I think if someone had an accident and it was found they had a
>>second unrecorded job or even been doing hard physical work at home
>>then they would be hit harder in court.  Sure there have been cases
>>like that.
>
>As Roland said, the Working Time Directive comes into play then.

One or both of the employers will have to explain why they'd allowed the
situation to arise. Specifically having pointed out to people that
[unauthorised] second jobs aren't allowed would be part of their
defence.
--
Roland Perry

On 04/07/2021 19:03, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> As Roland said, the Working Time Directive comes into play then.
>>
> For building your own patio? Or going for a 16-mile hike on your day off?

That is what I thought, more general rules and laws can be used but I
doubt the WTD can be used unless they are in a paid job.

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 04/07/2021 11:26, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message<sbq0ln$bim$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:44:55 on Sat, 3 Jul 2021,
>> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>
>>>> There's a general assumption in the Working Time Directive that
>>>> people who aren't doing their regular job are spending that remainder
>>>> of the time relaxing. But that's never going to always be the case.
>>>> So your HGV driver with a tachograph(sic) isn't being monitored
>>>> when not behind the wheel, and what if he's spending that time being
>>>> a taxi driver?
>>> That's the loophole with a tacho.
>> But at least it works for most drivers with only one job. Trams, buses,
>> white vans etc are other things you shouldn't be driving after a night
>> as a cabbie.
>
> I think if someone had an accident and it was found they had a second
> unrecorded job or even been doing hard physical work at home then they
> would be hit harder in court. Sure there have been cases like that.

Was Gary Hart driving professionally at the time of the Great Heck crash?

Sam

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