On Fri 22/07/2022 13:53, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 22/07/2022 13:44, charles wrote:
>> In article <ep3ldhhsr085nob85018phq7rf20j7a0s9@4ax.com>, Scott
>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Long history of that.  BBC2 was in colour before BBC1.
>> Not sure about that. Thefirst colour programmes were Wimbledon tennis.
>>
> Colour came to BBC 2 on July 1st 1967, with as you say Wimbledon Tennis
>
> Colour came to BBC 1 and ITV ( in four regions) on Nov 15th 1969

IIRC colour couldn't have come to BBC1 first as it was still on VHF 405
lines. BBC2 test UHF transmitters were set up all over the country and
again IMSMC the first transmission in colour was indeed Wimbledon in
1964 or 1965!

Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Fri 22/07/2022 13:53, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 22/07/2022 13:44, charles wrote:
>>> In article <ep3ldhhsr085nob85018phq7rf20j7a0s9@4ax.com>, Scott
>>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Long history of that.  BBC2 was in colour before BBC1.
>>> Not sure about that. Thefirst colour programmes were Wimbledon tennis.
>>>
>> Colour came to BBC 2 on July 1st 1967, with as you say Wimbledon Tennis
>>
>> Colour came to BBC 1 and ITV ( in four regions) on Nov 15th 1969
>
>
> IIRC colour couldn't have come to BBC1 first as it was still on VHF 405
> lines. BBC2 test UHF transmitters were set up all over the country and
> again IMSMC the first transmission in colour was indeed Wimbledon in
> 1964 or 1965!
>

1967 for first scheduled BBC2 colour broadcasts. 1969 for BBC1.
BBC2 started in 1964 on UHF, BBC1 followed on UHF in 1969, which enabled
colour broadcasts.

On 22/07/2022 17:48, JNugent wrote:

> I put it onto the turntable as soon as I got it home and heard the first
> notes come out of only one speaker. My first reaction was that a cable
> had become disconnected. Then, a few bars later, the opposite channel
> was filled with a drum roll. I rang a friend about it - he didn't
> believe me.

What was the name of the music?

Bill

On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:11:32 +0100, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

>On 22/07/2022 17:48, JNugent wrote:
>
>> I put it onto the turntable as soon as I got it home and heard the first
>> notes come out of only one speaker. My first reaction was that a cable
>> had become disconnected. Then, a few bars later, the opposite channel
>> was filled with a drum roll. I rang a friend about it - he didn't
>> believe me.
>
>What was the name of the music?
>
Didn't the early Beatles stuff have vocals on one side and
instrumental on the other? I have no idea why they would do this.

On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:23:01 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

>Stereo radio and colour TV was irrelevant to much of the population.
>Things were different then. New gadgets were expensive and many, if not
>most, simply could not spring for them.
>
>I acquired stereo radio in 1974 and colour TV in 1979.

A very good point about expensive gadgets.

There was also the problem then of signal availability. I acquired
stereo radio around 74/75, when the Rosneath transmitter began
broadcasting BBC FM. I bought a Sinclair Project 80 decoder for my
Project 60 stereo, using a VHF portable radio as a tuner. Worked
quite well, considering.

UHF TV wasn't available from Rosneath until August 1976. Before then
colour TV in my part of the country (Gourock) was available only via
cable.

Shortly after that, I moved a bit further down the Clyde coast to find
that the only UHF TV available was from Ireland, necessitating huge
aerials. That changed not long after when the Rothesay relay opened,
just in time for Christmas 1976. Line of sight, and internal aerials
were all that were required for excellent colour and stereo.

In article <acbidh9fkvgttgn83hi45gql4p7qti0bsu@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> The last time I looked at a hi-fi magazine, another change since my main
> elecronic building days in the 1960s and 1970s was very clear to me. The
> magazines used to include constructional articles about lots of things
> you could build for yourself, a bit like Wireless World, Practical
> electronics and various others, but lately they just seemed to be full
> of articles (sponsored no doubt) about things you could buy. Also, any
> discussion about how things actually worked had descended into ignorant
> and sometimes almost superstitious waffle.

I wish I could disagree. :-/

Driven in part by makers (those that survive) and the current reader's
market. Talking to some in the mags the stuation is felt to be akin to what
Hawking was told when he wrote a book. "Having a graph in an article tends
to half the number of readers!" Hence anything much in the way of an
extended 'technical' explanation or analysis loses magazine sales.

Measured results can still be found. But taking HFN as an example, tend to
mainly be tucked away on the web, not in the printed mag. So the mag gets a
short tech summary of performance in print, with other details 'optional'.

HFW did a number of 'construction' projects and kits when it started. But
eventually stopped because too many commercial makers didn't like a mag
that judged their kit also 'competing' with them. And of course "elf and
safety" was also an issue when you started thinking of kits to make
single-ended valve power amps with impressive anode voltages, even in a
'kit'. 8-]

Been re-reading some 1970s HFN issues recently and they're very different
to what you'd see on news-stands now. I'd love to see many of the more
technical/practical items from then (and earlier) reprinted in a book. As
it is, you need a collection of old mags to read them.

Jim

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On Sat 23/07/2022 09:25, Scott wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:11:32 +0100, williamwright
> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> On 22/07/2022 17:48, JNugent wrote:
>>
>>> I put it onto the turntable as soon as I got it home and heard the first
>>> notes come out of only one speaker. My first reaction was that a cable
>>> had become disconnected. Then, a few bars later, the opposite channel
>>> was filled with a drum roll. I rang a friend about it - he didn't
>>> believe me.
>>
>> What was the name of the music?
>>
> Didn't the early Beatles stuff have vocals on one side and
> instrumental on the other? I have no idea why they would do this.

Go dig around Spotify and find an album called Shall We Swing - Sounds
of the Great Bands in Latin by the Glen Gray Orchestra(?)
Originally recorded in 1962/63 and digitally remastered in 2003 this is
very much left and right stereo but the recorded quality and the pin
sharp timing make it stand out.

In article <tbge7a$3pduh$1@dont-email.me>,
Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Sat 23/07/2022 09:25, Scott wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:11:32 +0100, williamwright
> > <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 22/07/2022 17:48, JNugent wrote:
> >>
> >>> I put it onto the turntable as soon as I got it home and heard the
> >>> first notes come out of only one speaker. My first reaction was that
> >>> a cable had become disconnected. Then, a few bars later, the opposite
> >>> channel was filled with a drum roll. I rang a friend about it - he
> >>> didn't believe me.
> >>
> >> What was the name of the music?
> >>
> > Didn't the early Beatles stuff have vocals on one side and
> > instrumental on the other? I have no idea why they would do this.

> Go dig around Spotify and find an album called Shall We Swing - Sounds
> of the Great Bands in Latin by the Glen Gray Orchestra(?)
> Originally recorded in 1962/63 and digitally remastered in 2003 this is
> very much left and right stereo but the recorded quality and the pin
> sharp timing make it stand out.

Known as, I recall, the "Ping - Pong" effect.

--
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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 23/07/2022 09:25 am, Scott wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:11:32 +0100, williamwright
> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> On 22/07/2022 17:48, JNugent wrote:
>>
>>> I put it onto the turntable as soon as I got it home and heard the first
>>> notes come out of only one speaker. My first reaction was that a cable
>>> had become disconnected. Then, a few bars later, the opposite channel
>>> was filled with a drum roll. I rang a friend about it - he didn't
>>> believe me.
>>
>> What was the name of the music?
>>
> Didn't the early Beatles stuff have vocals on one side and
> instrumental on the other? I have no idea why they would do this.

It wasn't the Beatles' idea! George Martin had been in the habit of
using a stereo (two-track) recorder as a rudimentary form of multi-track
machine, recording the basic instrumental part first on on track, then
adding the vocals, plus any additional instrumental parts and FX such as
hand-claps, to the other track. This is presumably not what was intended
for those stereo decks, but it was possible.

It worked well for mono recording because it allowed for a limited
amount of post-production re-mixing, altering the volume balance between
the tracks and permitting different amounts of echo / reverb to be sent
and returned in the mono mixdown. For several early tracks (including
"Love Me Do" and "She Loves You"), the two-track master was
(short-sightedly) wiped and re-used after a mono master was produced.

The Beatles' first LP ("Please Please Me") was an amalgam of the
marathon session which produced ten of its fourteen tracks and four
which had been previously recorded (three of which had been released on
singles).

Some of the tracks only had the mono reductions available, the others
had the two-track masters still available. Stereo LP was still seen as a
niche product (this was general in popular music) and the strange
stereophonic effect with the instrumentals on one track and the vocals
on the other was ameliorated to some extent by applying the reverb
differently.

George Martin wasn't the only one to use that method, though the
technique has come to be colloquially known as "George Martin stereo".

Some time around mid-1963, a four-track recorder became available at
Abbey Road (some say it had been there for a while and that everyone was
nervous of unpacking and using it). This allowed basic instrumental
tracks to be recorded in stereo, with the the other two available for
the vocals and other overdubs. The second LP ("With The Beatles") tends
to have a more normal stereo approach for that reason.

Before this, and in the hands of other well-known EMI producers, the
stereo and mono recordings were often made at the same time, capturing
the same performance (not always), with the studio outputs feeding two
control rooms, with one recording in 2-track stereo and the other
recording in what was known as delta mono. Norrie Paramor (more
correctly, his favoured engineer, Malcolm Addey) tended to use this
method for his artistes (Cliff Richard, The Shadows, Helen Shapiro and
others) plus his own and other orchestras. With this technique, once the
performance was over, that was it, finito. The take was complete and
either acceptable for release or needing to be done again.

I'll... er... get me coat.

On 23/07/2022 03:11 am, williamwright wrote:

> On 22/07/2022 17:48, JNugent wrote:
>
>> I put it onto the turntable as soon as I got it home and heard the
>> first notes come out of only one speaker. My first reaction was that a
>> cable had become disconnected. Then, a few bars later, the opposite
>> channel was filled with a drum roll. I rang a friend about it - he
>> didn't believe me.

> What was the name of the music?
>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybs7AITjziM>

The label:

<https://images.45cat.com/the-shadows-slaughter-on-tenth-avenue-columbia.jpg>

On 23/07/2022 09:25, Scott wrote:

>>
> Didn't the early Beatles stuff have vocals on one side and
> instrumental on the other? I have no idea why they would do this.

Some songs were two mono tracks rather than stereo. It's still quite
amusing to just play one channel.

Bill

On 22/07/2022 10:26, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
> Been re-reading some 1970s HFN issues recently and they're very different
> to what you'd see on news-stands now. I'd love to see many of the more
> technical/practical items from then (and earlier) reprinted in a book. As
> it is, you need a collection of old mags to read them.

Though you clearly have reasons for having your own collection, for
others I will point out that, as might be expected and I recently
proved, you can find single items or job lots of old mags available on eBay.

My sister-in-law used to be a 'champion' quilter! (I say 'used to be'
merely because she's over 80 now, and her eyes are no longer up to it.)
As this is a digital tv through electronics to general technical
newsgroup, not a crafts oriented ng, I will explain that patchwork
quilting was originally a way of using up offcuts of fabric from making
other things like dresses, etc. Gradually people started to make some
sort of primitive pictures with them, particularly American quilters
used to make geometric patterns, but her forte was to make actual
pictures, often really beautiful ones - a doll's house with all the
dolls and other toys coming to life in the middle of the night; a scene
from Tales Of The Arabian Nights; Okehampton Castle; A winter snow scene
in Devon with a fox and a magpie; a frog on a lily pad; etc, etc.
'Champion' because the doll's house, it's actually called 'Midnight
Magic', won first prize in a Liberty-Sanderson competition, and some of
her work has been used as examples in craft magazines, books, etc. As
she has a record of their use, I was able to find copies of them all on
eBay, and add scans of them, as well as her portfolio of photos of the
quilts, to the Family History work that I've been doing.

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On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 18:34:33 +0100, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

>On 23/07/2022 09:25, Scott wrote:
>
>>>
>> Didn't the early Beatles stuff have vocals on one side and
>> instrumental on the other? I have no idea why they would do this.
>
>Some songs were two mono tracks rather than stereo. It's still quite
>amusing to just play one channel.
>
>Bill

Indeed. That is what Kenny Everett did on his Saturday R1 show in the
70s. He played the instrumental track and invited listeners to "sing
along with the Beatles".

On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:48:06 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

>The first stereo single (this was late 1969) I bought bore no marking to
>say it was in stereo.
>
>I put it onto the turntable as soon as I got it home and heard the first
>notes come out of only one speaker. My first reaction was that a cable
>had become disconnected. Then, a few bars later, the opposite channel
>was filled with a drum roll. I rang a friend about it - he didn't
>believe me.

Possibly around the same time, I recall a friend playing a single
called "Sky Pilot" that was unmistakeably stereo, as it began with a
few bars of solo guitar not just from one side of the stereo stage,
but sounding like one channel only, as if one of the speakers had been
disconnected, before the rest of the instruments joined in. It was
quite a dramatic surprise effect, unusual for pop music.

The record was one of those "advance release" copies with a white
label with a big letter A, so it could have been experimental and
maybe the final published version was mono.

Some records (usually LPs) were released in what was called
"compatible stereo", which had a reduced separation to create less
vertical movement of the groove, because most mono pickup cartridges
couldn't physically follow much vertical movement without damage. This
one wouldn't have been compatible with a mono cartridge at all, which
is what makes me think it might have been a test pressing.

My memory had the artistes as The Who, though a quick Wikipedia check
only shows a title with that name by Eric Burdon and The Animals.
There is no mention of it being an early example of stereo, so maybe
the officially published version wasn't.

Rod.

In article <s1cndhp6k9vqp548v8kfrr4hifpc00uoha@4ax.com>, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> Didn't the early Beatles stuff have vocals on one side and instrumental
> on the other? I have no idea why they would do this.

Some 'pop' music producers had no real idea what to make of stereo, and
their expertise was based on producing mono. So some did tend to use it as
'parallel mono' because they had no better ideas. + Only having limited
sets of mics and mixing kit probably also made that easier. Chances are
most buyers of the time for pop would have had a mono record player anyway.

For classical music its application to give an illusion of the 'spread' of
an orchestra probably made more sense to producers as the 'real thing' was
laid out in space in a familiar way at concerts, and the aim was to
reproduce what going to a concert was like. Whereas most 'pop' records were
studio constructions with no real reference point beyond "what sells".

As time passed I suspect it was some pop artists as often as it was
producers who came up with better ideas of how to construct 'stereo' for
pop music records.

Jim

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On 23/07/2022 09:51, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> For classical music its application to give an illusion of the 'spread' of
> an orchestra probably made more sense to producers as the 'real thing' was
> laid out in space in a familiar way at concerts, and the aim was to
> reproduce what going to a concert was like. Whereas most 'pop' records were
> studio constructions with no real reference point beyond "what sells"

Could be said that classical producers were less inventive and just
tried to reproduce the concert hall sound though it would be difficult
with the limitations of the equipment - limited number of expensive
microphones and limited number of recording channels. Whereas pop
producers just set out to produce a sound experience within their
limitations without worrying about whether it corresponded with what you
would hear at a concert.

In article <tb3sto$dl2n$1@dont-email.me>, Woody
<harrogate3@ntlworld.com> scribeth thus
>On Mon 18/07/2022 12:41, MB wrote:
>> On 17/07/2022 11:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>> DAB is fine for choice of 'info' purposes. But less so for things like
>>> classical music concerts. Main problem is OfCom "going for the money" and
>>> allowing many low-rate stations to be crammed in regardless of the impact
>>> on quality.
>>
>> Terrible when they want to use bandwidth for programmes that people want
>> to listen to rather use excessive amounts of bandwidth for programmes
>> with very few listeners and who want higher quality than they can quite
>> likely recognise.
>
>Do remember that many many people - especially the younger generation -
>have probably never heard decent music played through a proper hi-fi
>system. To them mp3 at 128K on their phone headphones sound 'good.' OK
>DAB is 128K mp2 which is even worse, but put that on a small domestic
>radio with a small poor quality loudspeaker and it probably sounds much
>the same. Listen to a DAB+ station at the same data rate and you would
>hear the difference instantly. Unfortunately there ain't such stations
>in the UK - they use 48Kb which is equivalent to mp2 at 128K.
>
>Now go abroad where DAB+ is prevalent at a decent data rate and that too
>sticks out like a sore thumb!

We've got a local small scale MUX here in Cambridge and that almost
exclusively uses DAB+ lowest rate 48 K, and if its encoded well does
sound very good for what it is!, hi-fi it ain't but better then most low
rate MP2 sources!
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <jjlhokF52vfU1@mid.individual.net>, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> scribeth thus
>On 18/07/2022 16:06, Woody wrote:
>> On Mon 18/07/2022 12:41, MB wrote:
>>> On 17/07/2022 11:10, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>>> DAB is fine for choice of 'info' purposes. But less so for things like
>>>> classical music concerts. Main problem is OfCom "going for the money"
>>>> and
>>>> allowing many low-rate stations to be crammed in regardless of the
>>>> impact
>>>> on quality.
>>>
>>> Terrible when they want to use bandwidth for programmes that people
>>> want to listen to rather use excessive amounts of bandwidth for
>>> programmes with very few listeners and who want higher quality than
>>> they can quite likely recognise.
>>
>> Do remember that many many people - especially the younger generation -
>> have probably never heard decent music played through a proper hi-fi
>> system. To them mp3 at 128K on their phone headphones sound 'good.' OK
>> DAB is 128K mp2 which is even worse, but put that on a small domestic
>> radio with a small poor quality loudspeaker and it probably sounds much
>> the same. Listen to a DAB+ station at the same data rate and you would
>> hear the difference instantly. Unfortunately there ain't such stations
>> in the UK - they use 48Kb which is equivalent to mp2 at 128K.
>>
>> Now go abroad where DAB+ is prevalent at a decent data rate and that too
>> sticks out like a sore thumb!
>
>For most people living busy lives, though, music is an accompaniment to
>eating toast, getting the kids up, cooking a meal, scrolling through
>their phone, sitting on a train, driving their car or generally moving
>about. It isn't a sit down and listen closely for an hour or so in an
>anechoic chamber with no interference.
>
>Quality for most is a bit of an irrelevance.

Thats why broadcast radio needs such as Orban processors;!¬...
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <ducbdhtjkhtdhs8338kpihibf7b0nat105@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:06:31 +0100, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Do remember that many many people - especially the younger generation -
>>have probably never heard decent music played through a proper hi-fi
>>system. To them mp3 at 128K on their phone headphones sound 'good.'
>
>Sadly, many people - especially the younger generation - have probably
>never been to a live classical music concert where they could hear
>real musical instruments with no electronic involvement at all. Once
>you've experienced this, no electronic sound system will ever equal
>it. This should be on everybody's bucket list.
>
>Rod.

Point taken, but got some tapes played of a Studer tape machine over le
ESL63's does a bloody good imitation;-)

OK may not quite get the WHAM!!! in the bass drum that was on the Verdi
in the Proms first nite;!..

--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <jjls5fF6jd0U5@mid.individual.net>, Norman Wells
<hex@unseen.ac.am> scribeth thus
>On 18/07/2022 20:30, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:06:31 +0100, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do remember that many many people - especially the younger generation -
>>> have probably never heard decent music played through a proper hi-fi
>>> system. To them mp3 at 128K on their phone headphones sound 'good.'
>>
>> Sadly, many people - especially the younger generation - have probably
>> never been to a live classical music concert where they could hear
>> real musical instruments with no electronic involvement at all. Once
>> you've experienced this, no electronic sound system will ever equal
>> it. This should be on everybody's bucket list.
>
>But, however much it matters to you, it just isn't of any interest to
>them at all.
>

Was at a Prom a few years back now, Messiaen's Turangalîla Symphony
played by a young Orchestra and even more noticeable a rather young
audience who were very engrossed by what was going on, on stage.

Talking to a few of them seemed they'd travelled down from Leeds and
other bits of Yorkshire! They said that it was very interesting playing
it and they'd been amazed to see it live!

The oldest payer was dear old Cynthia Millar on the ondes martenot, Lets
hope the BBC can still get the valves for them;)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeG_FaAsZLI
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <84mcdhd67fgd1mr7i4kei758d12io9rsfe@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 20:55:27 +0100, Norman Wells <hex@unseen.ac.am>
>wrote:
>
>>On 18/07/2022 20:30, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:06:31 +0100, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do remember that many many people - especially the younger generation -
>>>> have probably never heard decent music played through a proper hi-fi
>>>> system. To them mp3 at 128K on their phone headphones sound 'good.'
>>>
>>> Sadly, many people - especially the younger generation - have probably
>>> never been to a live classical music concert where they could hear
>>> real musical instruments with no electronic involvement at all. Once
>>> you've experienced this, no electronic sound system will ever equal
>>> it. This should be on everybody's bucket list.
>>
>>But, however much it matters to you, it just isn't of any interest to
>>them at all.
>
>Could it be that it *would* be of interest to them but they've never
>experienced it and don't know what they're missing?
>
>Rod.

Odd you should say that but my ex Wife had some of her friends over from
Milan a few years back, all teachers, seemed there is a greater interest
in classical music and it seemed that for a lot of young Italian men
being on an Opera stage there was a real achievement and a bit of an
obsession for quite a lot of them!..
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <tbbv6a$2fq7s$1@dont-email.me>, Lew <lew@none.org> scribeth
thus
>On 21/07/2022 17:04, Max Demian wrote:
>
>> I wish streaming services (like Spotify and Amazon Music) could made
>> some sort of attempt at determining my taste rather than just playing
>> tracks at random. I mean the free services - I'm not paying £10 pcm for
>> buggerall.
>
>It will of course depend on what sort of music you like. There's Radio
>Paradise, which is free and supported by donations:
>
>https://radioparadise.com/player
>
>The tablet app lets you skip tracks.
>
>There's also Linn Radio which is also free:
>
>https://www.linn.co.uk/linn-radio
>
>The sound quality of these internet stations is much better than DAB
>and, depending on what tier you're on, better than the paid-for services.
>

And the delightful,

https://www.ancientfm.com/

stream.ancientfm.com:8058/stream
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <jjo6nrFi2buU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> scribeth thus
>MB wrote:
>
>> That was the great thing about John Peel
>
>[...]
>
>> Reductio ad absurdum would mean that a station would only play one track
>
>John Peel was booked for one of our freshers' week discos, for openers he played
>"Blue Monday" six times in a row as a protest at how much he'd been asked for
>it!
>

Local Pirate wireless station rounds these parts used that as their
opening tune:-)...
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Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <5a0b732b1dcharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> scribeth thus
>In article <acbidh9fkvgttgn83hi45gql4p7qti0bsu@4ax.com>,
> Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:05:32 +0100, Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>
>> >I tend to re-read old Hi-Fi mags and the change in content over the years
>> >is quite clear. One obvious change is that old HFN has literally hundreds
>> >of record reviews each month - divided into a range of types from folk to
>> >orchestral via spoken word and classical. Now they just pick a few cherries
>> >of a few types. Often items where no original performance of any kind is
>> >represented.
>
>> The last time I looked at a hi-fi magazine, another change since my
>> main elecronic building days in the 1960s and 1970s was very clear to
>> me. The magazines used to include constructional articles about lots
>> of things you could build for yourself, a bit like Wireless World,
>> Practical electronics and various others, but lately they just seemed
>> to be full of articles (sponsored no doubt) about things you could
>> buy. Also, any discussion about how things actually worked had
>> descended into ignorant and sometimes almost superstitious waffle.
>
>> That's one reason why I haven't bothered with "technical" magazines
>> for many years. The other reason is that much more up to date
>> information is available on the internet. It's usually pretty clear
>> which Youtube presenters actually know what the yare talking about.
>
>> Rod.
>
>I gave up such magazines when one of them, which had been a serious one,
>told me that a gold plated mains plug increased the stereo separation on an
>FM tuner.
>

WoW! Just think what one could do on the transmitter;!...

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Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <jjltv6F703qU1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
>On 18/07/2022 20:30, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:06:31 +0100, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do remember that many many people - especially the younger generation -
>>> have probably never heard decent music played through a proper hi-fi
>>> system. To them mp3 at 128K on their phone headphones sound 'good.'
>> Sadly, many people - especially the younger generation - have probably
>> never been to a live classical music concert where they could hear
>> real musical instruments with no electronic involvement at all. Once
>> you've experienced this, no electronic sound system will ever equal
>> it. This should be on everybody's bucket list.

Dunno, ever had the chance to sit in the control room at Madia vale with
a big band next door;?...
>>
>
>The musical genre is irrelevant, doesn't matter if it's just a bloke in
>the pub with a guitar, there is nothing that can replicate live music.

Well years ago QUAD for one use to demo their speakers by having someone
taking on stage then they just stopped speaking but the sound of tape
carried on, most all we're very impressed!

Or was it B&W speakers long time ago!..
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Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.