On Thursday, 11 August 2022 at 23:09:03 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> I am waiting for the bedroom to cool down enough to sleep in and the 11
> o/c BBC news is coming from Singapore. Is this a new normal?

Probably - it is a world news program and goes out on BBC World as well, moreover when it comes on it is daytime there and night-time here.

> The news
> "stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints
> nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?

Notwithstanding any rate differences or your prejudice against Asian presenters, it is of course cheaper to employ staff to daytime hours than rotating 24 hour shifts necessary if all the program were based here. Whislt some jobs do require working antisocial hours (e.g. in hospital), most people avoid if it isn't necessary.

It also provides back up if any studios are disabled (e.g. power cut).

>
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
> I've been through the desert on a horse with no name.
> It was a right bugger to get him back when he ran off.

On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,

It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone
who doesn't have a foreign accent.

Bill

On Sat 13/08/2022 20:42, williamwright wrote:
> On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>> Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
>
> It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone
> who doesn't have a foreign accent.
>
> Bill

or better still by someone who's first language is English (UK)

On Sat 13/08/2022 20:49, Woody wrote:
> On Sat 13/08/2022 20:42, williamwright wrote:
>> On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>> Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
>>
>> It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by
>> someone who doesn't have a foreign accent.
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> or better still by someone who's first language is English (UK)
>

Mind you that doesn't necessarily follow!

As Bill will know when we were both kids there was a programme on the
Light Programme (the early version of Radio 2) at midday on Sunday
called Two Way Family Favourites. It linked up people in the UK with
those overseas. Much of it was intended for military personnel in the
British Army of the Rhine, based in Germany, but they sometimes did
links with other places like Australia and NZ.

One week I remember the Australian presenter (male) reading out a
request for someone who lived at
Bury Street
Edmonds
Suffolk.

On 13/08/2022 20:54, Woody wrote:

>
> One week I remember the Australian presenter (male) reading out a
> request for someone who lived at
> Bury Street
> Edmonds
> Suffolk.

And in an item about the fact that some teachers are still having to
hide because they offended the Muslims, the newsreader read out,
"Baytley Grammar School".

Bill

On 13/08/2022 20:49, Woody wrote:
> or better still by someone who's first language is English (UK)

I agree but there are many immigrants who speak far better English than
most of the output of the British education system. Many of the
Ukrainians do already even though they have not been here very long.

In article <td8v8c$2tcd8$1@dont-email.me>, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> On Sat 13/08/2022 20:42, williamwright wrote:
> > On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> >> Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
> >
> > It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by
> > someone who doesn't have a foreign accent.
> >
> > Bill

> or better still by someone who's first language is English (UK)

My dentist's name is Indian, but she was born in the UK and speaks perfect
English.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 13/08/2022 in message
<77cccaa6-5cd0-4983-9be1-9cb21e4a4bf0n@googlegroups.com> R. Mark Clayton
wrote:

>Notwithstanding any rate differences or your prejudice against Asian
>presenters

Rude and arrogant as ever and now happy to suggest I am racist.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count, and those
who can't.

On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 20:42:08 UTC+1, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
> On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> > Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
>
> It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone
> who doesn't have a foreign accent.
>
> Bill

I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.

I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
"Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator. Plus the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the locals"
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640

Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them having be brought up in Scotland.

The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.

On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 08:34:44 UTC+1, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 13/08/2022 in message
> <77cccaa6-5cd0-4983...@googlegroups.com> R. Mark Clayton
> wrote:
> >Notwithstanding any rate differences or your prejudice against Asian
> >presenters
> Rude and arrogant as ever and now happy to suggest I am racist.

Well if the cap fits and all that...

> --
> Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
> There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count, and those
> who can't.

On 14/08/2022 11:36, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
> I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.
>
> I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
> "Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator. Plus the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the locals"
> https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640
>
> Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them having be brought up in Scotland.
>
> The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.

When I worked near Newcastle, I kept being asked if I could understand
people but never had any difficulty and actually found it quite a
pleasant accent.

There are obviously various "Glasgow" accents but I have found any
difficulty in understanding is usually because of a tendence to mumble
rather than just the accent (often caused by being drunk).

On 14/08/2022 11:36 am, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 20:42:08 UTC+1, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
>> On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>> Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
>>
>> It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone
>> who doesn't have a foreign accent.
>>
>> Bill
>
> I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.
>
> I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
> "Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator. Plus the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the locals"
> https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640
>
> Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them having be brought up in Scotland.

As I recall, the subtitles for RCN were written in scrupulously correct
slang-free Standard English as regards spelling (for correct
pronunciation where the audio varied from that) and for idiomatic usage.

> The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.
>

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 14/08/2022 11:36, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>> I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most
>> eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.
>>
>> I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in
>> Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick
>> Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
>> "Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator.
>> Plus the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the locals"
>> https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640
>>
>> Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the
>> extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them
>> having be brought up in Scotland.
>>
>> The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and
>> Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.
>
> When I worked near Newcastle, I kept being asked if I could understand
> people but never had any difficulty and actually found it quite a
> pleasant accent.
>
> There are obviously various "Glasgow" accents but I have found any
> difficulty in understanding is usually because of a tendence to mumble
> rather than just the accent (often caused by being drunk).
>
>

The Glasgow accent thing is overdone. Rab C Nesbitt is overdone for effect.
I live in the East Midlands but visit Glasgow regularly. I have absolutely
no problem with understanding anyone. Extreme regional accents have
probably been dulled by the decline in heavy industry where people left
school early and stayed in tightly knit communities for life. The only UK
place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper on
Orkney some 30 years ago.

On 13/08/2022 21:21, charles wrote:

>
> My dentist's name is Indian, but she was born in the UK and speaks perfect
> English.
>

Some of us will remember working with Hari Parmar (Visnews, Reuters,
BBC), who was I believe from an Indian family expelled from Uganda by
Idi Amin. His grasp of English was absolutely first class. He was also a
very kind and considerate chap and it was knowing him that made me
realise fully that you can't judge a person by the colour of their skin.

Bill

On 14/08/2022 12:56, Tweed wrote:
>
> The Glasgow accent thing is overdone. Rab C Nesbitt is overdone for effect.
> I live in the East Midlands but visit Glasgow regularly. I have absolutely
> no problem with understanding anyone. Extreme regional accents have
> probably been dulled by the decline in heavy industry where people left
> school early and stayed in tightly knit communities for life. The only UK
> place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper on
> Orkney some 30 years ago.

My ex-wife never could stand Rab C Nesbitt precisely because she
couldn't understand what was being said. For myself, I never had any
problem with it, or indeed most Scottish accents. However, there is one
local here with a very twisted twang who I do struggle to understand,
and ...

https://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Reminiscences/Accents.html

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In message <tdbci4$37p8g$1@dont-email.me>, Java Jive
<java@evij.com.invalid> writes
>On 14/08/2022 12:56, Tweed wrote:
>> The Glasgow accent thing is overdone. Rab C Nesbitt is overdone for
>>effect.
>> I live in the East Midlands but visit Glasgow regularly. I have absolutely
>> no problem with understanding anyone. Extreme regional accents have
>> probably been dulled by the decline in heavy industry where people left
>> school early and stayed in tightly knit communities for life. The only UK
>> place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper on
>> Orkney some 30 years ago.
>
>My ex-wife never could stand Rab C Nesbitt precisely because she
>couldn't understand what was being said. For myself, I never had any
>problem with it, or indeed most Scottish accents. However, there is
>one local here with a very twisted twang who I do struggle to
>understand, and ...
>
>https://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Reminiscences/Accents.html
>

I've found that as I get older I seem to struggle more and more with
strong accents of any variety. I don't think it's a problem with my
hearing, more that my brain has become less good at processing audio
input.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
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"John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:li3jobBkEW+iFwlY@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
>>> The only UK
>>> place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper
>>> on
>>> Orkney some 30 years ago.

Interesting because I find the Scottish Highlands accent and the Orcadian
accent a lot easier to understand than an "industrial" accent such as
Glaswegian or Ayrshire. I found Jimmy Knapp (BR trade unionist) very
difficult to understand in some news interviews, though in fairness,
background noise and distortion through a megaphone at union meetings
doesn't help ;-)

>>My ex-wife never could stand Rab C Nesbitt precisely because she couldn't
>>understand what was being said. For myself, I never had any problem with
>>it, or indeed most Scottish accents. However, there is one local here
>>with a very twisted twang who I do struggle to understand, and ...
>>
>>https://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Reminiscences/Accents.html
>>
>
> I've found that as I get older I seem to struggle more and more with
> strong accents of any variety. I don't think it's a problem with my
> hearing, more that my brain has become less good at processing audio
> input.

The company I used to work with had associations with Nokia in Finland. You
haven't lived until you've heard English spoken with a strong Finnish
accent. Most foreigners speaking English tend to pronounce certain vowels or
consonants *consistently* different to a native English speaker. I find I
fairly quickly build up a mental look-up table and after a few minutes I
have very little difficulty understand the speaker. Finns, in general, seem
to pronounce the same vowel sound, and maybe even the same word, in a wide
variety of ways from one sentence to the next. It also sounds like someone
talking backwards with the tape reversed - damn good but still very odd.

I remember one celebrated occasion when there was a "Kick Off Day" to
motivate the staff (whenever I hear the word "motivate", my heart sinks
because such events usually have the opposite effect on me). For some
bizarre reason, it was held in the local ice rink. Maybe that was the
largest auditorium in the area with enough seating. Much of the event was
toe-curlingly embarrassing, as one Finnish manager after another tried to
sound happy, optimistic and vibrant and, well, motivational - when you could
tell that they were acting against type. One manager exhorted us to "go kill
the customers" - I think he may have meant "go kill [metaphorically] the
competitors", which at least makes a bit more logical sense.

At the end of his speech, he said "Repeat after me..." And he uttered some
strange guttural sounds which were utterly unintelligible. I saw everyone
around me with WTF expressions on their faces as they tried to make sense of
what they were being asked to repeat, followed by massed shrugs, after which
they faithfully repeated the sounds *without having the remotest idea what
they were being asked to say*. For good measure, they guy got us to repeat
the phrase twice more. It made no more sense on the second and third times
of hearing. The guy heard everyone chanting what he had said, and probably
assumed that we understood him. Wrong ;-)

The other amusing thing was their "thinking time". If I ask you a question
that you don't know the answer to, you will probably grunt, pull an "I'm
thinking" expression and maybe even say "Hmmm. Let me think..." And then
you'll reply with your final answer. Finns do it differently - rather in the
same way that difference races prefer to stand at different distances from
you in a face-to-face conversation. You ask a question, and get absolutely
no response whatsoever to convey "Yes, I've heard you. I need to think about
that." After a fairly long and uncomfortable pause, you ask the question
again in simpler English, thinking that they may not have understood you.
That confuses them. They heard you and understood you perfectly well the
first time, but they need to think - and the Finnish way is not to send an
immediate acknowledgment before the final answer some time later. One of the
younger Finnish guys, whose English was better and was more able to take the
piss out of his fellow countrymen, had noticed this and could see why we
were getting so frustrated with the lack of "I've heard you" response.

On 14/08/2022 22:59, NY wrote:
> I remember one celebrated occasion when there was a "Kick Off Day" to
> motivate the staff

When we were privatised, everyone had to go down to head office for a
session like that. It had the opposite effect on me and most people.

We were given goodies - badged mug, badged baseball cap, badged pen etc.
Many just left them in reception, I gave all mine away as soon as
possible.

On 14/08/2022 22:59, NY wrote:
> "John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:li3jobBkEW+iFwlY@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
>>>> The only UK
>>>> place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper
>>>> on
>>>> Orkney some 30 years ago.
>
> Interesting because I find the Scottish Highlands accent and the Orcadian
> accent a lot easier to understand than an "industrial" accent such as
> Glaswegian or Ayrshire. I found Jimmy Knapp (BR trade unionist) very
> difficult to understand in some news interviews, though in fairness,
> background noise and distortion through a megaphone at union meetings
> doesn't help ;-)
>
>>> My ex-wife never could stand Rab C Nesbitt precisely because she couldn't
>>> understand what was being said. For myself, I never had any problem with
>>> it, or indeed most Scottish accents. However, there is one local here
>>> with a very twisted twang who I do struggle to understand, and ...
>>>
>>> https://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Reminiscences/Accents.html
>>>
>>
>> I've found that as I get older I seem to struggle more and more with
>> strong accents of any variety. I don't think it's a problem with my
>> hearing, more that my brain has become less good at processing audio
>> input.
>
> The company I used to work with had associations with Nokia in Finland.

About 40 years ago I went to a "training" meeting in the US (I'd been
able to avoid this for the 5 years I'd already been with this US
company, but couldn't come up with an acceptable excuse this time).
There were a couple of dozen people from subsidiaries all over the world.

I got chatting to a guy from South Korea. He was very pleasant and spoke
good English, but when I said something he took quite a time to reply
each time. I said that I was puzzled by the long response, as he spoke
good English. His reply was that he heard what I said in English,
translated it into Korean in his head, formulated the reply in Korean,
and then translated that back into the English which came as the spoken
reply.

Back to to accents. I said to him that the only word I knew in Korean
was "Hyundai". He looked very puzzled and asked me to repeat it, which I
did. It made no difference, so I said it was the car made in Korea.
After a pause (for his internal translations), he replied with a laugh
(and I use the phonetic reply), "Ah, (H)Yoonday"! The "h" was more an
outgoing breath than a sound.

Interestingly, there are various pronunciations on the internet. The
Wiki pronunciation is
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/%ED%98%84%EB%8C%80%EC%9E%90%EB%8F%99%EC%B0%A8.ogg>
"How to pronounce" is at <https://www.howtopronounce.com/hyundai>
But the nearest to the one I heard all those years ago is this:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTM1jF5fs4g>

--

Jeff

There was a long time ago a thread on this group which suggested that the
centralisation of Broadcasting in London was doing away with local dialects
and accents. Now is it that we have perhaps veered in the other direction?

Yesterday one of the reports on the news was read in what I can only say is
Estuary English, I E Estewary, is how the word would sound.

No real intonation either, more like a rap kind of presentation, except it
did not rhyme!

Then I watched an episode of Saving lives at sea. One was a very northern
Scottish town, and I never understood a word of what was being said, but
everyone in the item of course did.
As for Asian , well to be honest I like the accent if its neutral, the ones
that annoy me seem to have a kind of USA drawl as well, which makes them
sound a bit artificial.
Brian

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"JNugent" <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:jls4mtFhisgU5@mid.individual.net...
> On 14/08/2022 11:36 am, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 20:42:08 UTC+1, wrightsaerials@aol.com
>> wrote:
>>> On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>>> Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
>>>
>>> It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone
>>> who doesn't have a foreign accent.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most
>> eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.
>>
>> I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in
>> Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick
>> Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
>> "Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator. Plus
>> the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the
>> locals"
>> https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640
>>
>> Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the
>> extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them
>> having be brought up in Scotland.
>
> As I recall, the subtitles for RCN were written in scrupulously correct
> slang-free Standard English as regards spelling (for correct pronunciation
> where the audio varied from that) and for idiomatic usage.
>
>> The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and
>> Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.
>>
>

On 13/08/2022 20:54, Woody wrote:
>
> One week I remember the Australian presenter (male) reading out a
> request for someone who lived at
> Bury Street
> Edmonds
> Suffolk.
>
>
It's 12 o'clock Greenwich. Mean time here is the news.......

On 15/08/2022 09:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Then I watched an episode of Saving lives at sea. One was a very northern
> Scottish town, and I never understood a word of what was being said, but
> everyone in the item of course did.

Doric and Buchan can quite difficult to understand. I have some friends
in Buckie and their kids would sometimes go into local dialect
deliberately. :-)

On 14/08/2022 14:51, williamwright wrote:

> Some of us will remember working with Hari Parmar (Visnews, Reuters,
> BBC), who was I believe from an Indian family expelled from Uganda by
> Idi Amin. His grasp of English was absolutely first class. He was also a
> very kind and considerate chap and it was knowing him that made me
> realise fully that you can't judge a person by the colour of their skin.
>
> Bill

One place where I work had employed a consultant who was a Greek
Cypriot. His accent and use of normal English was faultless, but he gave
away the fact that English wasn't his first language when he tried
colloquialisms. I rather enjoyed his suggestion that "we can throw one
stone at two pigeons".

Jim

On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 09:01:09 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 14/08/2022 22:59, NY wrote:
> > "John Hall" <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message

SNIP

>
> I got chatting to a guy from South Korea. He was very pleasant and spoke
> good English, but when I said something he took quite a time to reply
> each time. I said that I was puzzled by the long response, as he spoke
> good English. His reply was that he heard what I said in English,
> translated it into Korean in his head, formulated the reply in Korean,
> and then translated that back into the English which came as the spoken
> reply.

Which is NOT how to do it. The way I became reasonably fluent in French when working over there was not to translate back to English and my answer back to French, but essentially just use French as the language. After several months I became sufficiently good that whilst most French people could tell I was foreign, they could not tell where from and used to incorrectly guess German (because I am tall) or Spanish (probably because I must have had a slight occident accent).

>
> Back to to accents. I said to him that the only word I knew in Korean
> was "Hyundai". He looked very puzzled and asked me to repeat it, which I
> did. It made no difference, so I said it was the car made in Korea.
> After a pause (for his internal translations), he replied with a laugh
> (and I use the phonetic reply), "Ah, (H)Yoonday"! The "h" was more an
> outgoing breath than a sound.
>
> Interestingly, there are various pronunciations on the internet. The
> Wiki pronunciation is
> <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/%ED%98%84%EB%8C%80%EC%9E%90%EB%8F%99%EC%B0%A8.ogg>
> "How to pronounce" is at <https://www.howtopronounce.com/hyundai>
> But the nearest to the one I heard all those years ago is this:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTM1jF5fs4g>
>
> --
>
> Jeff

On 15/08/2022 12:22, Indy Jess John wrote:
> One place where I work had employed a consultant who was a Greek
> Cypriot. His accent and use of normal English was faultless, but he gave
> away the fact that English wasn't his first language when he tried
> colloquialisms. I rather enjoyed his suggestion that "we can throw one
> stone at two pigeons".

And the Polish workshop manager. "You tink I know fuck notting! I tell
you I know fuck all!"

Bill