The door at the entrance from the bus station is now working again or at
least it is open.

Anyone wanting to get away from the rat race, the newspaper kiosk is up
for rent.

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> The door at the entrance from the bus station is now working again or at
> least it is open.
>
> Anyone wanting to get away from the rat race, the newspaper kiosk is up
> for rent.

Just curious, how early in the morning do the Scottish and UK printed
national papers arrive at Fort Bill?

On Mon, 8 Aug 2022 15:13:22 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> The door at the entrance from the bus station is now working again or at
>> least it is open.
>>
>> Anyone wanting to get away from the rat race, the newspaper kiosk is up
>> for rent.
>
>Just curious, how early in the morning do the Scottish and UK printed
>national papers arrive at Fort Bill?

I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.

On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.

They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
suspect there before 0700h.

It is what happens when the unions think that perishable items
(including newspapers and mail) are a good target for industrial action.

John Menzies have taken over several local delivery companies in the
Highlands.

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>
> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
> suspect there before 0700h.

That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
(I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so get instant
delivery wherever I am in the world).

In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>
>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>> suspect there before 0700h.
>
>That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
>(I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so get instant
>delivery wherever I am in the world).

Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tct5cd$1b8pq$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:20:29 on Tue, 9 Aug
2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>
>They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>suspect there before 0700h.
>
>It is what happens when the unions think that perishable items
>(including newspapers and mail) are a good target for industrial action.
>
>John Menzies have taken over several local delivery companies in the
>Highlands.

"Tomorrows" papers, otherwise known as the First Edition, always used to
be available in Central London from about 10pm.

Unless there was big breaking story, hence the meme "Stop [the] Press".
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>
>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>
>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so get instant
>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>
> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.

I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
sections of the TfL network.

In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>
>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>
>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so get instant
>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>
>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>
>I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>sections of the TfL network.

I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>
>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so get instant
>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>
>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>
>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>> sections of the TfL network.
>
> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.

Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?

On 09/08/2022 09:31, Recliner wrote:
> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so get instant
> delivery wherever I am in the world).

Of course they will not be the latest edition on sale in the city centres.

One of the companies that was taken over by John Menzies used to have a
service where for quite a small charge they took a parcel to a central
distribution hub somewhere down in England where they could be
transferred to all the main carriers - they would also collect from there.

On 09/08/2022 09:49, Roland Perry wrote:
> "Tomorrows" papers, otherwise known as the First Edition, always used to
> be available in Central London from about 10pm.
>
> Unless there was big breaking story, hence the meme "Stop [the] Press".

I can't remember what it was but there one major news story that broke
late in the evening and someone took the decision to hold back all the
late editions.

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 09/08/2022 09:49, Roland Perry wrote:
>> "Tomorrows" papers, otherwise known as the First Edition, always used to
>> be available in Central London from about 10pm.
>>
>> Unless there was big breaking story, hence the meme "Stop [the] Press".
>
> I can't remember what it was but there one major news story that broke
> late in the evening and someone took the decision to hold back all the
> late editions.

That probably happened regularly in the old days.

On 09/08/2022 10:20, Recliner wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
>>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so get instant
>>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>>
>>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>>
>>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>>> sections of the TfL network.
>>
>> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
>
> Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?
>

Possibly :-)

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 09/08/2022 10:45, MB wrote:
> On 09/08/2022 09:49, Roland Perry wrote:
>> "Tomorrows" papers, otherwise known as the First Edition, always used to
>> be available in Central London from about 10pm.
>>
>> Unless there was big breaking story, hence the meme "Stop [the] Press".
>
> I can't remember what it was but there one major news story that broke
> late in the evening and someone took the decision to hold back all the
> late editions.
>
>

Used to be an unusual but not unknown occurrence. These days with
electronic media dominant for up-to-date information, even in the
nominally print world, it would have to be a really massive story to
happen now.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message <tct8tj$1bmfg$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:20:51 on Tue, 9 Aug
2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
>>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so
>>>>>get instant
>>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>>
>>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>>
>>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>>> sections of the TfL network.
>>
>> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
>
>Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?

No, but neither do they do all their online stuff before getting on such
a train.
--
Roland Perry

On 09/08/2022 09:20, MB wrote:
> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>> morning in time for shops opening.  John Menzies are responsible for
>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport.  The days
>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>
> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
> suspect there before 0700h.
>
> It is what happens when the unions think that perishable items
> (including newspapers and mail) are a good target for industrial action.
>
> John Menzies have taken over several local delivery companies in the
> Highlands.
>
>

Up here delivery is closer to noon on weekdays and 2pm on Sundays ....

--
Colin

On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:36:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>In message <tct8tj$1bmfg$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:20:51 on Tue, 9 Aug
>2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long behind me
>>>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so
>>>>>>get instant
>>>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>>>
>>>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>>>> sections of the TfL network.
>>>
>>> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
>>
>>Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?
>
>No, but neither do they do all their online stuff before getting on such
>a train.

If they board at the vast majority of EL stations, the train will be above ground, with both mobile data and WiFi
Internet available. And they can always download stuff before going underground.

But, yes, Roland, we all know that there are places where the Internet is not available. You don't need to try and
demonstrate your unique variant of 'cleverness' in reminding us of that.

In message <lln4fhd10godkiosnu0stpbh1oiv3vl0b8@4ax.com>, at 14:21:55 on
Tue, 9 Aug 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:36:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <tct8tj$1bmfg$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:20:51 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long
>>>>>>>behind me
>>>>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so
>>>>>>>get instant
>>>>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>>>>> sections of the TfL network.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
>>>
>>>Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?
>>
>>No, but neither do they do all their online stuff before getting on such
>>a train.
>
>If they board at the vast majority of EL stations, the train will be
>above ground, with both mobile data and WiFi
>Internet available. And they can always download stuff before going
>underground.
>
>But, yes, Roland, we all know that there are places where the Internet
>is not available. You don't need to try and demonstrate your unique
>variant of 'cleverness' in reminding us of that.

But neither do you need to indulge in your unique variant of bragging
about "wherever I am in the World".
--
Roland Perry

On 09/08/2022 14:19, ColinR wrote:
> Up here delivery is closer to noon on weekdays and 2pm on Sundays ....

And of course there used to be no papers on Sundays on Lewis - there was
a big fuss about the Coastguard helicopter picking up newspapers on the
mainland on a Sunday whilst out on a training exercise.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <lln4fhd10godkiosnu0stpbh1oiv3vl0b8@4ax.com>, at 14:21:55 on
> Tue, 9 Aug 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:36:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <tct8tj$1bmfg$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:20:51 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long
>>>>>>>> behind me
>>>>>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so
>>>>>>>> get instant
>>>>>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>>>>>> sections of the TfL network.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?
>>>
>>> No, but neither do they do all their online stuff before getting on such
>>> a train.
>>
>> If they board at the vast majority of EL stations, the train will be
>> above ground, with both mobile data and WiFi
>> Internet available. And they can always download stuff before going
>> underground.
>>
>> But, yes, Roland, we all know that there are places where the Internet
>> is not available. You don't need to try and demonstrate your unique
>> variant of 'cleverness' in reminding us of that.
>
> But neither do you need to indulge in your unique variant of bragging
> about "wherever I am in the World".

That’s not bragging. In ye olde dayes you counted yourself lucky if
yesterday’s papers were available at a very high price whilst abroad. Now I
can be on holiday anywhere (almost anywhere for Roland) and can download my
papers. It’s a valid point to make.

Whereas nitpicking about the lack of availability of Internet on the EL
adds nothing to the conversation and is just your edge case detector being
overly sensitive again.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <lln4fhd10godkiosnu0stpbh1oiv3vl0b8@4ax.com>, at 14:21:55 on
> Tue, 9 Aug 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:36:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <tct8tj$1bmfg$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:20:51 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long
>>>>>>>> behind me
>>>>>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so
>>>>>>>> get instant
>>>>>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>>>>>> sections of the TfL network.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?
>>>
>>> No, but neither do they do all their online stuff before getting on such
>>> a train.
>>
>> If they board at the vast majority of EL stations, the train will be
>> above ground, with both mobile data and WiFi
>> Internet available. And they can always download stuff before going
>> underground.
>>
>> But, yes, Roland, we all know that there are places where the Internet
>> is not available. You don't need to try and demonstrate your unique
>> variant of 'cleverness' in reminding us of that.
>
> But neither do you need to indulge in your unique variant of bragging
> about "wherever I am in the World".

It's not a boast, just a simple statement of how I read the newspapers.
It's not like I was a non-traveller like you pretending to still be the
business traveller you were long ago.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <lln4fhd10godkiosnu0stpbh1oiv3vl0b8@4ax.com>, at 14:21:55 on
>> Tue, 9 Aug 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:36:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <tct8tj$1bmfg$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:20:51 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>>>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long
>>>>>>>>> behind me
>>>>>>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so
>>>>>>>>> get instant
>>>>>>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>>>>>>> sections of the TfL network.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?
>>>>
>>>> No, but neither do they do all their online stuff before getting on such
>>>> a train.
>>>
>>> If they board at the vast majority of EL stations, the train will be
>>> above ground, with both mobile data and WiFi
>>> Internet available. And they can always download stuff before going
>>> underground.
>>>
>>> But, yes, Roland, we all know that there are places where the Internet
>>> is not available. You don't need to try and demonstrate your unique
>>> variant of 'cleverness' in reminding us of that.
>>
>> But neither do you need to indulge in your unique variant of bragging
>> about "wherever I am in the World".
>
> That’s not bragging. In ye olde dayes you counted yourself lucky if
> yesterday’s papers were available at a very high price whilst abroad. Now I
> can be on holiday anywhere (almost anywhere for Roland) and can download my
> papers. It’s a valid point to make.
>
> Whereas nitpicking about the lack of availability of Internet on the EL
> adds nothing to the conversation and is just your edge case detector being
> overly sensitive again.

Roland could have cited a much more relevant exception: people too poor to
afford to subscribe to on-line newspapers, but who still like to pretend to
be well-informed.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <lln4fhd10godkiosnu0stpbh1oiv3vl0b8@4ax.com>, at 14:21:55 on
>>> Tue, 9 Aug 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:36:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <tct8tj$1bmfg$2@dont-email.me>, at 09:20:51 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tct7ev$1bgr3$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:55:59 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <tct60m$1bbak$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:31:18 on Tue, 9 Aug
>>>>>>>>> 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/08/2022 08:51, John Armstrong wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but I strongly suspect they'll all be there early
>>>>>>>>>>>> morning in time for shops opening. John Menzies are responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>> most Scottish distribution, and use road and air transport. The days
>>>>>>>>>>>> of trains being used are, sadly, long gone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They were always there if I went to work early (weather permitting). I
>>>>>>>>>>> suspect there before 0700h.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's impressive. My days of buying printed newspapers are long
>>>>>>>>>> behind me
>>>>>>>>>> (I now pay for several newspapers, but read them on my iPad, so
>>>>>>>>>> get instant
>>>>>>>>>> delivery wherever I am in the world).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apart from on the Elizabeth Line, apparently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've downloaded and read the papers long before getting to the underground
>>>>>>>> sections of the TfL network.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm glad that works for you, but it won't for everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do many people start their waking day in an underground train tunnel?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, but neither do they do all their online stuff before getting on such
>>>>> a train.
>>>>
>>>> If they board at the vast majority of EL stations, the train will be
>>>> above ground, with both mobile data and WiFi
>>>> Internet available. And they can always download stuff before going
>>>> underground.
>>>>
>>>> But, yes, Roland, we all know that there are places where the Internet
>>>> is not available. You don't need to try and demonstrate your unique
>>>> variant of 'cleverness' in reminding us of that.
>>>
>>> But neither do you need to indulge in your unique variant of bragging
>>> about "wherever I am in the World".
>>
>> That’s not bragging. In ye olde dayes you counted yourself lucky if
>> yesterday’s papers were available at a very high price whilst abroad. Now I
>> can be on holiday anywhere (almost anywhere for Roland) and can download my
>> papers. It’s a valid point to make.
>>
>> Whereas nitpicking about the lack of availability of Internet on the EL
>> adds nothing to the conversation and is just your edge case detector being
>> overly sensitive again.
>
> Roland could have cited a much more relevant exception: people too poor to
> afford to subscribe to on-line newspapers, but who still like to pretend to
> be well-informed.
>
>

Another advantage of a digital sub (Times at least) is you can share it
with others in the household. No fighting over who gets to read the paper
first.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

> Roland could have cited a much more relevant exception: people too poor to
> afford to subscribe to on-line newspapers, but who still like to pretend to
> be well-informed.
>
>

Actually you raise an interesting point there, when printed editions were
the main way for people to get news those who were too poor to regularly
purchase a paper could usually find a discarded one
lying about somewhere and while not as up to date as those who read them
at breakfast could follow events before they ceased to have relevance.
You cannot find second-hand online papers left on the seat of a bus or in a
bin and if energy prices do reach the high costs predicted then what were
insignificant costs to run things like routers and devices will become
significant for some. All those things that were once a £5 or £6 pounds a
year to run will be costing £20 something and four or five gadgets over a
year at that rate will start to look like real money, some may struggle to
stay online which nowadays if you are not can make life awkward.
GH