From
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>

Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
and Slough were cancelled.

Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.

Slough is a change point between Paddington and Windsor and Eton Central –
one of two overland stations that serve Windsor Castle, which is to be the
monarch's final resting place after a procession from London on Monday
afternoon.

Great Western Railway confirmed in a Tweet the 6.25am service to Slough was
"to be evacuated" just after 8.45am, after passengers found themselves
"stuck" for over two hours just outside Paddington.

The power fault is also affecting the Elizabeth Line and Heathrow Express
trains heading out of central London.

Social media posts showed Transport for London was urging travellers to
instead change at Hammersmith and use the Piccadilly line.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:15:45 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>From
><https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations
>-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>
>Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>and Slough were cancelled.
>
>Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>
>Slough is a change point between Paddington and Windsor and Eton Central –
>one of two overland stations that serve Windsor Castle, which is to be the
>monarch's final resting place after a procession from London on Monday
>afternoon.
>
>Great Western Railway confirmed in a Tweet the 6.25am service to Slough was
>"to be evacuated" just after 8.45am, after passengers found themselves
>"stuck" for over two hours just outside Paddington.
>
>The power fault is also affecting the Elizabeth Line and Heathrow Express
>trains heading out of central London.
>
>Social media posts showed Transport for London was urging travellers to
>instead change at Hammersmith and use the Piccadilly line.

At least the ones who sensibly took the 3rd rail line to Eton riverside will
still get there. Can't remember the last time a service were stopped because
the 3rd rail fell over.

On 19/09/2022 10:15, Recliner wrote:
> From
> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>
> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
> and Slough were cancelled.
>
> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>
> Slough is a change point between Paddington and Windsor and Eton Central –
> one of two overland stations that serve Windsor Castle, which is to be the
> monarch's final resting place after a procession from London on Monday
> afternoon.
>
> Great Western Railway confirmed in a Tweet the 6.25am service to Slough was
> "to be evacuated" just after 8.45am, after passengers found themselves
> "stuck" for over two hours just outside Paddington.
>
> The power fault is also affecting the Elizabeth Line and Heathrow Express
> trains heading out of central London.
>
> Social media posts showed Transport for London was urging travellers to
> instead change at Hammersmith and use the Piccadilly line.

That's a nuisance. I'm heading for Plymouth later on. I see they've
cancelled two down trains this morning. Will just have to turn up at
Reading and hope.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 19/09/2022 10:20, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:15:45 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> From
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations
>> -queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>
>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>
>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>
>> Slough is a change point between Paddington and Windsor and Eton Central –
>> one of two overland stations that serve Windsor Castle, which is to be the
>> monarch's final resting place after a procession from London on Monday
>> afternoon.
>>
>> Great Western Railway confirmed in a Tweet the 6.25am service to Slough was
>> "to be evacuated" just after 8.45am, after passengers found themselves
>> "stuck" for over two hours just outside Paddington.
>>
>> The power fault is also affecting the Elizabeth Line and Heathrow Express
>> trains heading out of central London.
>>
>> Social media posts showed Transport for London was urging travellers to
>> instead change at Hammersmith and use the Piccadilly line.
>
> At least the ones who sensibly took the 3rd rail line to Eton riverside will
> still get there. Can't remember the last time a service were stopped because
> the 3rd rail fell over.
>

I remember problems with the third rail back in 1980s in very cold
weather. Lots of pick-up shoes welding themselves to the icy current
rail by flash-overs.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> From
> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>
> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
> and Slough were cancelled.
>
> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>
>

No trains all day is what I've been told.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> From
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>
>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>
>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>
>>
>
> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>

I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
strung up again overnight?

And isn't the mighty GWR OHLE supposed to be impervious to this sort of
thing?

On 19/09/2022 10:31, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 19/09/2022 10:20, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:15:45 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations
>>>
>>> -queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>
>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an
>>> hour’s
>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between
>>> Paddington
>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>
>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of
>>> up to
>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>
>>> Slough is a change point between Paddington and Windsor and Eton
>>> Central –
>>> one of two overland stations that serve Windsor Castle, which is to
>>> be the
>>> monarch's final resting place after a procession from London on Monday
>>> afternoon.
>>>
>>> Great Western Railway confirmed in a Tweet the 6.25am service to
>>> Slough was
>>> "to be evacuated" just after 8.45am, after passengers found themselves
>>> "stuck" for over two hours just outside Paddington.
>>>
>>> The power fault is also affecting the Elizabeth Line and Heathrow
>>> Express
>>> trains heading out of central London.
>>>
>>> Social media posts showed Transport for London was urging travellers to
>>> instead change at Hammersmith and use the Piccadilly line.
>>
>> At least the ones who sensibly took the 3rd rail line to Eton
>> riverside will
>> still get there. Can't remember the last time a service were stopped
>> because
>> the 3rd rail fell over.
>>
>
> I remember problems with the third rail back in 1980s in very cold
> weather. Lots of pick-up shoes welding themselves to the icy current
> rail by flash-overs.
>
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-62952485

On 19/09/2022 11:02, Recliner wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>
>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>
>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>
>
> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
> strung up again overnight?
>
> And isn't the mighty GWR OHLE supposed to be impervious to this sort of
> thing?
>
This is not the section with the "mighty GWR OHLE".

I agree that a diesel service should have been provided.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From
>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>
>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>
>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>
>
> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
> strung up again overnight?
>

There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
relief.

> And isn't the mighty GWR OHLE supposed to be impervious to this sort of
> thing?
>

This is a 1990s headspan area.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> From
>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>
>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>
>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>
>>
>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>> strung up again overnight?
>>
>
> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
> relief.

Even five hours after the event?

>
>> And isn't the mighty GWR OHLE supposed to be impervious to this sort of
>> thing?
>>
>
> This is a 1990s headspan area.
>

Yes, I hadn't realised it was at Hayes and Harlington; I thought it was
nearer Slough.

On 19/09/2022 11:26, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> From
>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>
>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>
>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>
>>
>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>> strung up again overnight?
>>
>
> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
> relief.
Don't network rail have bolt cutters in their toolkit?
>
>> And isn't the mighty GWR OHLE supposed to be impervious to this sort of
>> thing?
>>
>
> This is a 1990s headspan area.
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
>

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> From
>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>>> strung up again overnight?
>>>
>>
>> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
>> relief.
>
> Even five hours after the event?
>

Yep, sox hours after the event the NR OLE teams have arrived.

>>
>>> And isn't the mighty GWR OHLE supposed to be impervious to this sort of
>>> thing?
>>>
>>
>> This is a 1990s headspan area.
>>
>
> Yes, I hadn't realised it was at Hayes and Harlington; I thought it was
> nearer Slough.
>

Between Hayes and Southall West.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 19/09/2022 11:26, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> From
>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>>> strung up again overnight?
>>>
>>
>> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
>> relief.
>
> Don't network rail have bolt cutters in their toolkit?
>

Teams with that equipment (OLE earthing straps, working at height kit etc)
only just arrived.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:51:38 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

><martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/09/2022 11:26, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> From
>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>>>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>>>> strung up again overnight?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
>>> relief.
>>
>> Don't network rail have bolt cutters in their toolkit?
>>
>
>Teams with that equipment (OLE earthing straps, working at height kit etc)
>only just arrived.

Is that the normal response? It seems rather slow. Is the slow response because it's a bank holiday?

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 10:31:53 +0100
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 19/09/2022 10:20, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:15:45 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From
>>>
><https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations
>
>>> -queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>
>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an
>hour’s
>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>
>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>
>>> Slough is a change point between Paddington and Windsor and Eton Central –
>
>>> one of two overland stations that serve Windsor Castle, which is to be the
>>> monarch's final resting place after a procession from London on Monday
>>> afternoon.
>>>
>>> Great Western Railway confirmed in a Tweet the 6.25am service to Slough was
>>> "to be evacuated" just after 8.45am, after passengers found themselves
>>> "stuck" for over two hours just outside Paddington.
>>>
>>> The power fault is also affecting the Elizabeth Line and Heathrow Express
>>> trains heading out of central London.
>>>
>>> Social media posts showed Transport for London was urging travellers to
>>> instead change at Hammersmith and use the Piccadilly line.
>>
>> At least the ones who sensibly took the 3rd rail line to Eton riverside will
>> still get there. Can't remember the last time a service were stopped because
>> the 3rd rail fell over.
>>
>
>I remember problems with the third rail back in 1980s in very cold
>weather. Lots of pick-up shoes welding themselves to the icy current
>rail by flash-overs.

There is that, though thanks to climate change not so much of a problem these
days. Bottom or side contact 3rd rail is obviously preferable if there's a
choice.

On 19/09/2022 11:02, Recliner wrote:
>
> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
> strung up again overnight?

I can remember arriving at St.Pancras (from Heathrow) on the morning after what Michael Fish said was "not-a-hurricane" in the autumn of 1987, not knowing about the overnight storm (except the pilot warned us of strong winds as we landed). I found that all the overhead power lines on the Midland main line had been brought down overnight, but that two tracks were still usable. The authorities managed to put on two trains/hour on between London and Bedford: they were ancient smelly slam-door diesels which were presumably resting in some depot somewhere waiting to be scrapped, but they got me home, and I was very grateful.

But that was in the days of much-maligned British Rail, when there was fairly integrated management of track and trains. I'm pretty sure that something like that would simply be impossible nowadays: far too many managers in far too many different companies would need to concurrently approve. So the present standstill on the tracks out of Paddington is no surprise.

--
Clive Page

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 16:41:48 +0100, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu> wrote:

>On 19/09/2022 11:02, Recliner wrote:
>>
>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>> strung up again overnight?
>
>I can remember arriving at St.Pancras (from Heathrow) on the morning after what Michael Fish said was "not-a-hurricane" in the autumn of 1987, not knowing about the overnight storm (except the pilot warned us of strong winds as we landed). I found that all the overhead power lines on the Midland main line had been brought down overnight, but that two tracks were still usable. The authorities managed to put on two trains/hour on between London and Bedford: they were ancient smelly slam-door diesels which were presumably resting in some depot somewhere waiting to be scrapped, but they got me home, and I was very grateful.
>
>But that was in the days of much-maligned British Rail, when there was fairly integrated management of track and trains. I'm pretty sure that something like that would simply be impossible nowadays: far too many managers in far too many different companies would need to concurrently approve. So the present standstill on the tracks out of Paddington is no surprise.

They wouldn't have had to get any smelly old trains out of storage. The normal IETs could have run through the affected
section on diesel, as soon as NR opened at least one track. So it's the most public sector bit of the modern railway
that has failed a lot of passengers.

"Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:tg9cu9$11quq$2@dont-email.me...

>> At least the ones who sensibly took the 3rd rail line to Eton riverside
>> will
>> still get there. Can't remember the last time a service were stopped
>> because
>> the 3rd rail fell over.
>>
>
> I remember problems with the third rail back in 1980s in very cold
> weather. Lots of pick-up shoes welding themselves to the icy current rail
> by flash-overs.

I wonder how many trains per year are delayed/cancelled by OHLE faults
compared with 3rd rail faults? I get the impression that OHLE is much more
prone to problems.

What is involved in un-welding a 3rd rail shoe? Does it take more or less
time than to replace the OHLE knitting and maybe the train's pantograph,
than it does to unweld (and maybe replace) a 3rd rail shoe? I presume if you
can unweld the shoe, the train can still be hauled in limp-home by coupling
up another train set, whereas only a diesel train/loco can rescue a train
that has brought down the OHLE.

If a flashover occurs in icy weather, and the shoe welds itself while the
train is moving, does the shoe typically get ripped off, maybe damaging
other shoes on the train?

On 19/09/2022 12:53, Recliner wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:51:38 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 19/09/2022 11:26, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>>>>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>>>>> strung up again overnight?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
>>>> relief.
>>>
>>> Don't network rail have bolt cutters in their toolkit?
>>>
>>
>> Teams with that equipment (OLE earthing straps, working at height kit etc)
>> only just arrived.
>
> Is that the normal response? It seems rather slow. Is the slow response because it's a bank holiday?

Nearly all services still not running this morning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62929206

On 19/09/2022 17:11, Recliner wrote:
> They wouldn't have had to get any smelly old trains out of storage. The normal IETs could have run through the affected
> section on diesel, as soon as NR opened at least one track. So it's the most public sector bit of the modern railway
> that has failed a lot of passengers.

That won't stop Labour and the unions blaming privatisation.

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 19/09/2022 12:53, Recliner wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:51:38 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 19/09/2022 11:26, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>>>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>>>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>>>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>>>>>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>>>>>> strung up again overnight?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
>>>>> relief.
>>>>
>>>> Don't network rail have bolt cutters in their toolkit?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Teams with that equipment (OLE earthing straps, working at height kit etc)
>>> only just arrived.
>>
>> Is that the normal response? It seems rather slow. Is the slow
>> response because it's a bank holiday?
>
> Nearly all services still not running this morning.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62929206
>

The railways have not had a good funeral:

- The Royal Train was dismissed as an option because of the perceived risk
of disruption. This was the first time the monarch's coffin was not
conveyed by rail since the railways began.

- The continuing Avanti fiasco stopped many of its trains running to
London.

- The extra charter trains were not well publicised, for which Avanti can
be blamed again.

- The GWML was disrupted on the day of the funeral, stopping all GWR, EL
and HEx trains running into London. As a result, some funeral guests failed
to make it.

In contrast, the non-railway arrangements worked fantastically well. It's
estimated that more than half the world's population saw at least part of
the funeral, making it the most-viewed event in world history.

On 20/09/2022 09:32, Recliner wrote:
> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/09/2022 12:53, Recliner wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:51:38 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 19/09/2022 11:26, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>>>>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>>>>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>>>>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>>>>>>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>>>>>>> strung up again overnight?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
>>>>>> relief.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't network rail have bolt cutters in their toolkit?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Teams with that equipment (OLE earthing straps, working at height kit etc)
>>>> only just arrived.
>>>
>>> Is that the normal response? It seems rather slow. Is the slow
>>> response because it's a bank holiday?
>>
>> Nearly all services still not running this morning.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62929206
>>
>
> The railways have not had a good funeral:
>
> - The Royal Train was dismissed as an option because of the perceived risk
> of disruption. This was the first time the monarch's coffin was not
> conveyed by rail since the railways began.
>
> - The continuing Avanti fiasco stopped many of its trains running to
> London.
>
> - The extra charter trains were not well publicised, for which Avanti can
> be blamed again.
>
> - The GWML was disrupted on the day of the funeral, stopping all GWR, EL
> and HEx trains running into London. As a result, some funeral guests failed
> to make it.
>
> In contrast, the non-railway arrangements worked fantastically well. It's
> estimated that more than half the world's population saw at least part of
> the funeral, making it the most-viewed event in world history.
Trains are starting to move towards Paddington from Reading now.

This one was delayed at Reading for 73 minutes but there is a procession
of services behind which are not so delayed:-
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:W43332/2022-09-20

About 29 hours from the start of the problem to get trains on the move
must be something of a record.

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 20:42:49 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>"Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:tg9cu9$11quq$2@dont-email.me...
>
>>> At least the ones who sensibly took the 3rd rail line to Eton riverside
>>> will
>>> still get there. Can't remember the last time a service were stopped
>>> because
>>> the 3rd rail fell over.
>>>
>>
>> I remember problems with the third rail back in 1980s in very cold
>> weather. Lots of pick-up shoes welding themselves to the icy current rail
>> by flash-overs.
>
>I wonder how many trains per year are delayed/cancelled by OHLE faults
>compared with 3rd rail faults? I get the impression that OHLE is much more
>prone to problems.
>
>What is involved in un-welding a 3rd rail shoe? Does it take more or less
>time than to replace the OHLE knitting and maybe the train's pantograph,
>than it does to unweld (and maybe replace) a 3rd rail shoe? I presume if you
>can unweld the shoe, the train can still be hauled in limp-home by coupling
>up another train set,

Why? The train will almost certainly have other shoes in contact with the third rail. Losing a single shoe doesn't
disable the train.

> whereas only a diesel train/loco can rescue a train
>that has brought down the OHLE.

And only after the tangled wires have been removed. At least a broken third rail doesn't block the tracks.

>
>If a flashover occurs in icy weather, and the shoe welds itself while the
>train is moving, does the shoe typically get ripped off, maybe damaging
>other shoes on the train?

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 11:01:41 +0100, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:

>On 20/09/2022 09:32, Recliner wrote:
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 19/09/2022 12:53, Recliner wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 11:51:38 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/09/2022 11:26, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/london-train-cancellations-queen-funeral-slough-paddington-delays/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mourners hoping to travel to the Queen’s funeral faced more than an hour’s
>>>>>>>>>> worth of disruption on Monday morning after all trains between Paddington
>>>>>>>>>> and Slough were cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Damage to overhead electric wires meant cancellations and delays of up to
>>>>>>>>>> 90 minutes, with travellers warned to expect delays up until 10am.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No trains all day is what I've been told.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I assume it wouldn't be possible to remove the fallen wires, and resume a
>>>>>>>> skeleton diesel service for the rest of the day, till the wires could be
>>>>>>>> strung up again overnight?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are two trains still with wires wrapped around them, up main and down
>>>>>>> relief.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't network rail have bolt cutters in their toolkit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Teams with that equipment (OLE earthing straps, working at height kit etc)
>>>>> only just arrived.
>>>>
>>>> Is that the normal response? It seems rather slow. Is the slow
>>>> response because it's a bank holiday?
>>>
>>> Nearly all services still not running this morning.
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-62929206
>>>
>>
>> The railways have not had a good funeral:
>>
>> - The Royal Train was dismissed as an option because of the perceived risk
>> of disruption. This was the first time the monarch's coffin was not
>> conveyed by rail since the railways began.
>>
>> - The continuing Avanti fiasco stopped many of its trains running to
>> London.
>>
>> - The extra charter trains were not well publicised, for which Avanti can
>> be blamed again.
>>
>> - The GWML was disrupted on the day of the funeral, stopping all GWR, EL
>> and HEx trains running into London. As a result, some funeral guests failed
>> to make it.
>>
>> In contrast, the non-railway arrangements worked fantastically well. It's
>> estimated that more than half the world's population saw at least part of
>> the funeral, making it the most-viewed event in world history.
>Trains are starting to move towards Paddington from Reading now.
>
>This one was delayed at Reading for 73 minutes but there is a procession
>of services behind which are not so delayed:-
>https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:W43332/2022-09-20
>
>About 29 hours from the start of the problem to get trains on the move
>must be something of a record.

I hope so!

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 09:07:28 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 19/09/2022 17:11, Recliner wrote:
>> They wouldn't have had to get any smelly old trains out of storage. The normal IETs could have run through the affected
>> section on diesel, as soon as NR opened at least one track. So it's the most public sector bit of the modern railway
>> that has failed a lot of passengers.
>
>
>That won't stop Labour and the unions blaming privatisation.

One other thing strikes(!) me — have any of the open access passenger or freight operators been hit by strikes, or only
the state-controlled TOCs?