On 16/04/2022 18:00, JNugent wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 01:50 pm, Jethro_uk wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:41:21 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> Best and most used gadget since 2012 has been the speed limiter in every
>> car I've had since. If people have a problem with it, it's because they
>> are stupid, not because it is in any way new or even complicated.
>
>> Weirdly I originally though a cruise control would be a game changer. But
>> not in the UK it seems.
>
> I agree. I hardly ever have occasion to use the cruise control, but the
> speed limiter - esp in 30mph zones - is invaluable.
>
> The only snag is that it won't apply the brakes going downhill (in order
> to overcome the acceleration effects caused by gravity). If it could do
> that, it'd be perfect.

I use mine to control my speed down a particularly steep and winding
local hill, setting the best speed for each part of the hill and I have
seen my brake lights reflected in road signs facing the other way as
they come on to control the descent.

--
Colin Bignell

On 17/04/2022 11:28, williamwright wrote:
> On 17/04/2022 10:37, ARW wrote:
>
>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>
>>
>> He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>> to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>> left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adam
>
> You and your passenger sound like complete anarchists.

I also do the same as Adam when I can!

In message <t3gn5d$e9g$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
<adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>On 17/04/2022 08:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>
>>> If had my way a speed up device should be fitted to cars to get the
>>>wankers up to the speed limit.
>> The trick is to not drive after 9.00am when us geriatrics venture
>>forth:-)
>>
>
>I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>
>
>
>He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket to
>the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours left
>on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.

Quite! Most paid car parking down here requires licence number together
with dire threats about non-transferability.

I wonder if this has ever been challenged in court as the charge could
be construed as *rent* for that space and the unused sum re-fundable.

--
Tim Lamb

In message <jc28dpF5b2lU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> writes
>On 17/04/2022 10:37, ARW wrote:
>
>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>
>> He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>>left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>> -- Adam
>
>You and your passenger sound like complete anarchists.

They are not alone.
One trick worth remembering if you have no ticket on display and you
find a parking summons on your screen is to ask someone returning to
their car if they have any unused minutes..

--
Tim Lamb

On 17/04/2022 11:28, williamwright wrote:
> On 17/04/2022 10:37, ARW wrote:
>
>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>
>>
>> He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>> to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>> left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adam
>
> You and your passenger sound like complete anarchists.
>

Bloody car threw a strop just before I came of the motorway after giving
away the free parking. No good deed etc

Loss of power and the engine management light came on. I quickly
switched the engine off and and back on and did a rolling start in 5th gear.

That cleared the fault and got me home and saved me from trying to get
to the hard shoulder.

This morning the battery says 12.07V. Fire the car up and the voltage
drops to 11.47V and the charging light comes on and revs increase to
1200RMP instead of the normal 750RPM. Rev the engine up and the charging
light goes out and the voltage is then up to 14.04V

Not like yesterday when it was "hunting " and revving up and down around
the 750RPM mark when idling.

New battery time IMHO.

Oddly enough the vans warning light came on not long ago and it needed a
new battery. Yet it started the van on cold frosty mornings without any
problems for a week before I took it in for a new battery.

On 17/04/2022 12:41, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <jc28dpF5b2lU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> writes
>> On 17/04/2022 10:37, ARW wrote:
>>
>>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>
>>>  He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>> to  the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2
>>> hours left  on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the
>>> machine.
>>>  --   Adam
>>
>> You and your passenger sound like complete anarchists.
>
> They are not alone.
> One trick worth remembering if you have no ticket on display and you
> find a parking summons on your screen is to ask someone returning to
> their car if they have any unused minutes..
>

My brother in law has brought shame on the family by becoming a traffic
warden.

I know - it's only a job. But it's a cunt's job and only a cunt will do it.

I do not like the fat bastard and I was delighted when Barnsley
Chronicle named his house as the worst kept house in Barnsley.

In message <t3gvc4$3ok$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
<adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>On 17/04/2022 11:28, williamwright wrote:
>> On 17/04/2022 10:37, ARW wrote:
>>
>>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>
>>>
>>> He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>>to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>>>left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Adam
>> You and your passenger sound like complete anarchists.
>>
>
>Bloody car threw a strop just before I came of the motorway after
>giving away the free parking. No good deed etc
>
>Loss of power and the engine management light came on. I quickly
>switched the engine off and and back on and did a rolling start in 5th
>gear.

Hmm.. our diesel Fiesta can do that. No dashboard indication that it is
doing a filter clean and you don't notice the lack of acceleration in
motorway traffic.
Remains in that mode until the engine has been re-started.
>
>That cleared the fault and got me home and saved me from trying to get
>to the hard shoulder.
>
>This morning the battery says 12.07V. Fire the car up and the voltage
>drops to 11.47V and the charging light comes on and revs increase to
>1200RMP instead of the normal 750RPM. Rev the engine up and the
>charging light goes out and the voltage is then up to 14.04V
>
>Not like yesterday when it was "hunting " and revving up and down
>around the 750RPM mark when idling.
>
>New battery time IMHO.
>
>Oddly enough the vans warning light came on not long ago and it needed
>a new battery. Yet it started the van on cold frosty mornings without
>any problems for a week before I took it in for a new battery.

--
Tim Lamb

On 17/04/2022 13:04, ARW wrote:
> My brother in law has brought shame on the family by becoming a traffic
> warden.
>
> I know - it's only a job. But it's a cunt's job and only a cunt will do it.

It does need a certain type of person to do that job I think. Nice
people like to go through life spreading happiness; not handing out
parking tickets.

Bill

On 17/04/2022 12:57, ARW wrote:

> This morning the battery says 12.07V. Fire the car up and the voltage
> drops to 11.47V and the charging light comes on and revs increase to
> 1200RMP instead of the normal 750RPM. Rev the engine up and the charging
> light goes out and the voltage is then up to 14.04V
>
> Not like yesterday when it was "hunting " and revving up and down around
> the 750RPM mark when idling.
>
> New battery time IMHO.

New alternator if the voltage drops when the engine is running. Fan belt
OK?

Bill

In message <JNVpz6AOt$WiFwTX@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, at 12:34:38 on
Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>In message <t3gn5d$e9g$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
><adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>On 17/04/2022 08:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If had my way a speed up device should be fitted to cars to get the
>>>>wankers up to the speed limit.
>>> The trick is to not drive after 9.00am when us geriatrics venture
>>>forth:-)
>>
>>I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>
>>He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>>left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>
>Quite! Most paid car parking down here requires licence number together
>with dire threats about non-transferability.
>
>I wonder if this has ever been challenged in court as the charge could
>be construed as *rent* for that space and the unused sum re-fundable.

Nonsense! The charge is per visit per car.
--
Roland Perry

On 17/04/2022 11:28 am, Colin Bignell wrote:

> On 16/04/2022 18:00, JNugent wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 01:50 pm, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:41:21 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:
>
>> [ ... ]
>
>>> Best and most used gadget since 2012 has been the speed limiter in every
>>> car I've had since. If people have a problem with it, it's because they
>>> are stupid, not because it is in any way new or even complicated.
>
>>> Weirdly I originally though a cruise control would be a game changer.
>>> But not in the UK it seems.
>
>> I agree. I hardly ever have occasion to use the cruise control, but
>> the speed limiter - esp in 30mph zones - is invaluable.
>
>> The only snag is that it won't apply the brakes going downhill (in
>> order to overcome the acceleration effects caused by gravity). If it
>> could do that, it'd be perfect.
>
> I use mine to control my speed down a particularly steep and winding
> local hill, setting the best speed for each part of the hill and I have
> seen my brake lights reflected in road signs facing the other way as
> they come on to control the descent.

Obviously a newer and better-featured car than mine!

On 17/04/2022 15:06, williamwright wrote:
> On 17/04/2022 13:04, ARW wrote:
>> My brother in law has brought shame on the family by becoming a
>> traffic warden.
>>
>> I know - it's only a job. But it's a cunt's job and only a cunt will
>> do it.
>
> It does need a certain type of person to do that job I think. Nice
> people like to go through life spreading happiness; not handing out
> parking tickets.

Some of them are just plain evil. When my wife was still working, she
had to visit a couple of patients on the same road (a residential road,
with no through traffic, but near to Man Utd's ground). The road has two
separate sets of parking restrictions. One end is residents only and the
other is residents only on match days. There is a gap of only about 12"
between the two sets of restrictions, with a very short set of double
yellow lines. People who have parked at one end before, don't realise
that the restrictions change part way and are easily caught out when
looking for a free space. The traffic warden often lurks around a
corner, waits until someone has left their car and then scuttles over to
check if there is a permit in it. He could of course simply walk up and
point out there might be a problem before someone walks away, but that
would be far too nice! It hardly keeps the spaces clear for legitimate
parking if he tickets a car that he could simply have moved on in the
first place.

On 17/04/2022 15:10, williamwright wrote:
> On 17/04/2022 12:57, ARW wrote:
>
>> This morning the battery says 12.07V. Fire the car up and the voltage
>> drops to 11.47V and the charging light comes on and revs increase to
>> 1200RMP instead of the normal 750RPM. Rev the engine up and the
>> charging light goes out and the voltage is then up to 14.04V
>>
>> Not like yesterday when it was "hunting " and revving up and down
>> around the 750RPM mark when idling.
>>
>> New battery time IMHO.
>
> New alternator if the voltage drops when the engine is running. Fan belt
> OK?

I expect it's one of those eco putting power into the battery on the
overrun etc. That will effect terminal voltage.

"Steve Walker" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote in message
news:t3ha2k$dt4$1@dont-email.me...
> On 17/04/2022 15:06, williamwright wrote:
>> On 17/04/2022 13:04, ARW wrote:
>>> My brother in law has brought shame on the family by becoming a traffic
>>> warden.
>>>
>>> I know - it's only a job. But it's a cunt's job and only a cunt will do
>>> it.
>>
>> It does need a certain type of person to do that job I think. Nice people
>> like to go through life spreading happiness; not handing out parking
>> tickets.
>
> Some of them are just plain evil. When my wife was still working, she had
> to visit a couple of patients on the same road (a residential road, with
> no through traffic, but near to Man Utd's ground). The road has two
> separate sets of parking restrictions. One end is residents only and the
> other is residents only on match days. There is a gap of only about 12"
> between the two sets of restrictions, with a very short set of double
> yellow lines. People who have parked at one end before, don't realise that
> the restrictions change part way and are easily caught out when looking
> for a free space. The traffic warden often lurks around a corner, waits
> until someone has left their car and then scuttles over to check if there
> is a permit in it. He could of course simply walk up and point out there
> might be a problem before someone walks away, but that would be far too
> nice! It hardly keeps the spaces clear for legitimate parking if he
> tickets a car that he could simply have moved on in the first place.

I once encountered a traffic warden who tried to ticket me when I stopped my
car (with hazards on) beside a sign to read the restrictions, before
deciding whether I could remain there or would have to find another space.
When I asked "how am I supposed to read the restrictions and try to work out
from them whether I am OK to park" he said, in all seriousness, that I must
park elsewhere temporarily, walk to the sign, and then move my car to the
space covered by the sign if I decided that I was authorised to park there.

On the other hand, I parked in a row of cars that had some time-restricted
bays for anyone and some unlimited bays for residents, and a traffic warden
happened to walk by and actually volunteered that the bay I was parked in
was residents only and that I could park a few yards down the road in an
"anyone" bay. I thanked him for volunteering the information rather than
just ticketing me, and he said "Unlike many of my colleagues, I am not a
bastard and I try to be reasonable and fair".

I happened to talk to a traffic warden at a party once and he said that many
traffic wardens (but not him, honest, Guv) would prefer people to park in
the wrong place so they can be ticketed, rather than park in the right place
and deny the warden the ability to issue a ticket. There is something wrong
with the selection process and the pay system (bonus per ticket issued) if
they are attracting that sort of person. The majority of traffic wardens
(the bastards) give the minority (the angels) a bad name ;-)

Like you, I prefer to do a job which enables things to happen rather than
penalises or restricts them - in other words, a job where I am not
universally unpopular. Tax collector, traffic warden, customs officer, maker
of speed camera - I wouldn't do those jobs on principle. The jobs need to be
done, but I wouldn't want to make my self unpopular by doing them. In
writing software, I am much more motivated by making things possible than by
the security aspects which restrict "the possible" to those who are
authorised.

On 17/04/2022 12:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <t3gn5d$e9g$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
> <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> On 17/04/2022 08:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If had my way a speed up device should be fitted to cars to get the
>>>> wankers up to the speed limit.
>>>  The trick is to not drive after 9.00am when us geriatrics venture
>>> forth:-)
>>>
>>
>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>
>>
>>
>> He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>> to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>> left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>
> Quite! Most paid car parking down here requires licence number together
> with dire threats about non-transferability.
>
> I wonder if this has ever been challenged in court as the charge could
> be construed as *rent* for that space and the unused sum re-fundable.
>

It's a contract. If you don't like the terms, don't enter into it.
You've no automatic right to a refund or to pass the unused time on to
someone else than you'd have with e.g. a hotel room you leave at 07:00
when check-out time is 10:00.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

In message <P+ZGJUjpDCXiFA42@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.co.uk> writes
>In message <JNVpz6AOt$WiFwTX@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, at 12:34:38 on
>Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>In message <t3gn5d$e9g$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
>><adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>On 17/04/2022 08:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If had my way a speed up device should be fitted to cars to get
>>>>>the wankers up to the speed limit.
>>>> The trick is to not drive after 9.00am when us geriatrics venture
>>>>forth:-)
>>>
>>>I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>>
>>>He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>>to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>>>left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>>
>>Quite! Most paid car parking down here requires licence number
>>together with dire threats about non-transferability.
>>
>>I wonder if this has ever been challenged in court as the charge could
>>be construed as *rent* for that space and the unused sum re-fundable.
>
>Nonsense! The charge is per visit per car.

Ok. So why is there a time duration specified and why are you required
to park in a designated slot?

--
Tim Lamb

On 17/04/2022 04:52 pm, Robin wrote:
> On 17/04/2022 12:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <t3gn5d$e9g$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
>> <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>> On 17/04/2022 08:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If had my way a speed up device should be fitted to cars to get the
>>>>> wankers up to the speed limit.
>>>>  The trick is to not drive after 9.00am when us geriatrics venture
>>>> forth:-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>> to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>>> left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>>
>> Quite! Most paid car parking down here requires licence number
>> together with dire threats about non-transferability.
>>
>> I wonder if this has ever been challenged in court as the charge could
>> be construed as *rent* for that space and the unused sum re-fundable.
>>
>
> It's a contract. If you don't like the terms, don't enter into it.
> You've no automatic right to a refund or to pass the unused time on to
> someone else than you'd have with e.g. a hotel room you leave at 07:00
> when check-out time is 10:00.

Would you be forbidden to do that?

What if a friend or colleague visited you in your hotel for breakfast,
and after breakfast you both went up to your room , you gathered your
belongings and left, leaving the friend, who had a train to catch at
mid-day, to relax for an hour or two and asking them to drop the key off
at reception on their way out?

Is that forbidden? How would anyone stop you from doing it? In proper
hotels, there is not a "No Visitors" policy. There isn't even a rule
forbidding you from going out and leaving a visitor temporarily in charge.

In message <d504b062-0d66-bd27-903c-2af809e16274@outlook.com>, Robin
<rbw@outlook.com> writes
>On 17/04/2022 12:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> In message <t3gn5d$e9g$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
>><adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>> On 17/04/2022 08:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If had my way a speed up device should be fitted to cars to get
>>>>>the wankers up to the speed limit.
>>>>  The trick is to not drive after 9.00am when us geriatrics venture
>>>>forth:-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>>to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2 hours
>>>left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the machine.
>> Quite! Most paid car parking down here requires licence number
>>together with dire threats about non-transferability.
>> I wonder if this has ever been challenged in court as the charge
>>could be construed as *rent* for that space and the unused sum
>>re-fundable.
>>
>
>It's a contract. If you don't like the terms, don't enter into it.
>You've no automatic right to a refund or to pass the unused time on to
>someone else than you'd have with e.g. a hotel room you leave at 07:00
>when check-out time is 10:00.

Ok. That makes sense.

On a related parking matter, I, along with many other lazy drivers, use
some slots on private land while the catering dept. fetch the Indian
etc. take away. The site is festooned with threatening notices.
Am I committing an actionable offence providing I move if asked or if a
legitimate user turns up?
As a landowner, my simple understanding of trespass is that you have to
cause damage to be successfully sued.
>

--
Tim Lamb

In message <2Qr2UtEwXDXiFwcn@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, at 16:44:48 on
Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>In message <P+ZGJUjpDCXiFA42@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
><roland@perry.co.uk> writes
>>In message <JNVpz6AOt$WiFwTX@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, at 12:34:38 on
>>Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>In message <t3gn5d$e9g$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
>>><adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>>On 17/04/2022 08:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If had my way a speed up device should be fitted to cars to get
>>>>>>the wankers up to the speed limit.
>>>>> The trick is to not drive after 9.00am when us geriatrics venture
>>>>>forth:-)
>>>>
>>>>I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>>>
>>>>He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>>>to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2
>>>>hours left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the
>>>>machine.
>>>
>>>Quite! Most paid car parking down here requires licence number
>>>together with dire threats about non-transferability.
>>>
>>>I wonder if this has ever been challenged in court as the charge
>>>could be construed as *rent* for that space and the unused sum
>>>re-fundable.
>>
>>Nonsense! The charge is per visit per car.
>
>Ok. So why is there a time duration specified

Because the visitor decides how long his visit will be. Forcing everyone
to pay for a minimum of 24hrs would soon cause complaints

>and why are you required to park in a designated slot?

I very rarely park somewhere it specifies which slot. Any empty one
(modulo blue badge) is OK.
--
Roland Perry

In message <sAAwgrHd8DXiFw$h@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, at 17:23:57 on
Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> remarked:

>On a related parking matter, I, along with many other lazy drivers, use
>some slots on private land while the catering dept. fetch the Indian
>etc. take away. The site is festooned with threatening notices.
>Am I committing an actionable offence providing I move if asked or if a
>legitimate user turns up?

>As a landowner, my simple understanding of trespass is that you have to
>cause damage to be successfully sued.

Not if the parking spaces have compliant signage regarding a contract
you enter into by parking there. See supermarkets the length and breadth
of the nation.
--
Roland Perry

On 17/04/2022 17:23, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <d504b062-0d66-bd27-903c-2af809e16274@outlook.com>, Robin
> <rbw@outlook.com> writes
>> On 17/04/2022 12:34, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> In message <t3gn5d$e9g$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
>>> <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>> On 17/04/2022 08:49, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If had my way a speed up device should be fitted to cars to get
>>>>>> the  wankers up to the speed limit.
>>>>>  The trick is to not drive after 9.00am when us geriatrics venture
>>>>> forth:-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a geriatric passenger yesterday:-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He was delighted when I passed my car parking pay and display ticket
>>>> to the bloke that took my parking spot as I left as there was 2
>>>> hours left on it. No number plate details had to be entered on the
>>>> machine.
>>>  Quite! Most paid car parking down here requires licence number
>>> together  with dire threats about non-transferability.
>>>  I wonder if this has ever been challenged in court as the charge
>>> could  be construed as *rent* for that space and the unused sum
>>> re-fundable.
>>>
>>
>> It's a contract. If you don't like the terms, don't enter into it.
>> You've no automatic right to a refund or to pass the unused time on to
>> someone else than you'd have with e.g. a hotel room you leave at 07:00
>> when check-out time is 10:00.
>
> Ok. That makes sense.
>
> On a related parking matter, I, along with many other lazy drivers, use
> some slots on private land while the catering dept. fetch the Indian
> etc. take away. The site is festooned with threatening notices.
> Am I committing an actionable offence providing I move if asked or if a
> legitimate user turns up?

No "offence": this is all civil law, not criminal

> As a landowner, my simple understanding of trespass is that you have to
> cause damage to be successfully sued.

If you park where there are signs like what Roland mentioned then you've
implicitly entered into a contract and they can demand the charge stated
on the signs. (NB "charge" - not penalty.)

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:00:37 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

> Some of them are just plain evil. When my wife was still working, she
> had to visit a couple of patients on the same road (a residential road,
> with no through traffic, but near to Man Utd's ground). The road has two
> separate sets of parking restrictions.

Heads up to people in Sussex. The road that divides Hove and Portslade is
like this. It's called both Boundary Road and Station Road (depending on
the side). And the parking restrictions are totally different.

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In message <J513IHmZREXiFAZQ@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.co.uk> writes
>In message <sAAwgrHd8DXiFw$h@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, at 17:23:57 on
>Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>On a related parking matter, I, along with many other lazy drivers,
>>use some slots on private land while the catering dept. fetch the
>>Indian etc. take away. The site is festooned with threatening notices.
>>Am I committing an actionable offence providing I move if asked or if
>>a legitimate user turns up?
>
>>As a landowner, my simple understanding of trespass is that you have
>>to cause damage to be successfully sued.
>
>Not if the parking spaces have compliant signage regarding a contract
>you enter into by parking there. See supermarkets the length and
>breadth of the nation.

Indeed. My quibble was the term *parking*. I am in the vehicle and
willing to move if necessary. Usually known as *waiting*.

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 00:06:19 +1000, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com>
wrote:

> On 17/04/2022 13:04, ARW wrote:
>> My brother in law has brought shame on the family by becoming a traffic
>> warden.
>> I know - it's only a job. But it's a cunt's job and only a cunt will
>> do it.

> It does need a certain type of person to do that job I think.

Yeah, must be dead boring and involves lots of walking around marking
tyres with the most primitive systems. Even driving around with automatic
number plate recognition must be a complete pain the the arse having
to stop and write up the paperwork when you catch one if the system
doesnt just do it all electronically. Even just driving around the streets
all day would be very boring indeed.

> Nice people like to go through life spreading happiness;

Not sure how many there are like that tho. One of our
worst tourist traps used to have bimbos with hardly
any clothes on stuffing coins into parking meters
which were close to out of time, but even that must
get pretty boring after a few days.

> not handing out parking tickets.

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote
> Steve Walker <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote
>> williamwright wrote
>>> ARW wrote

>>>> My brother in law has brought shame on the family by becoming a
>>>> traffic warden.
>>>>
>>>> I know - it's only a job. But it's a cunt's job and only a cunt will
>>>> do it.
>>>
>>> It does need a certain type of person to do that job I think. Nice
>>> people like to go through life spreading happiness; not handing out
>>> parking tickets.
>>
>> Some of them are just plain evil. When my wife was still working, she
>> had to visit a couple of patients on the same road (a residential road,
>> with no through traffic, but near to Man Utd's ground). The road has
>> two separate sets of parking restrictions. One end is residents only
>> and the other is residents only on match days. There is a gap of only
>> about 12" between the two sets of restrictions, with a very short set
>> of double yellow lines. People who have parked at one end before, don't
>> realise that the restrictions change part way and are easily caught out
>> when looking for a free space. The traffic warden often lurks around a
>> corner, waits until someone has left their car and then scuttles over
>> to check if there is a permit in it. He could of course simply walk up
>> and point out there might be a problem before someone walks away, but
>> that would be far too nice! It hardly keeps the spaces clear for
>> legitimate parking if he tickets a car that he could simply have moved
>> on in the first place.
>
> I once encountered a traffic warden who tried to ticket me when I
> stopped my car (with hazards on) beside a sign to read the restrictions,
> before deciding whether I could remain there or would have to find
> another space. When I asked "how am I supposed to read the restrictions
> and try to work out from them whether I am OK to park" he said, in all
> seriousness, that I must park elsewhere temporarily, walk to the sign,
> and then move my car to the space covered by the sign if I decided that
> I was authorised to park there.
>
> On the other hand, I parked in a row of cars that had some
> time-restricted bays for anyone and some unlimited bays for residents,
> and a traffic warden happened to walk by and actually volunteered that
> the bay I was parked in was residents only and that I could park a few
> yards down the road in an "anyone" bay. I thanked him for volunteering
> the information rather than just ticketing me, and he said "Unlike many
> of my colleagues, I am not a bastard and I try to be reasonable and
> fair".
>
> I happened to talk to a traffic warden at a party once and he said that
> many traffic wardens (but not him, honest, Guv) would prefer people to
> park in the wrong place so they can be ticketed, rather than park in the
> right place and deny the warden the ability to issue a ticket. There is
> something wrong with the selection process and the pay system (bonus per
> ticket issued) if they are attracting that sort of person.

I am currently reading the memoirs of a VAT inspector in the UK.
She claims that no one actually chose to become a VAT inspector
and that they all got stuck with the job they didn't actually want
just because its a job no one wants.

The memoirs are free on amazon.

> The majority of traffic wardens (the bastards) give the minority (the
> angels) a bad name ;-)

But that is unlikely to be because of a poor selection process,
particularly with the employment market the way it currently is.

> Like you, I prefer to do a job which enables things to happen rather
> than penalises or restricts them - in other words, a job where I am not
> universally unpopular. Tax collector, traffic warden, customs officer,
> maker of speed camera - I wouldn't do those jobs on principle.

I wouldn't either, but I can see that some might choose
to hunt down tax cheats and dole bludgers instead of
just doing the paperwork for non cheats and bludgers.

In spades with those tracking insurance fraudsters.

> The jobs need to be done, but I wouldn't want to make my self unpopular
> by doing them.

I don't care about popularity, but don't do boring jobs.

> In writing software, I am much more motivated by making things possible
> than by the security aspects which restrict "the possible" to those who
> are authorised.

And compared with hardware, I love the fact that you can
end up with a perfect result even when it was a mess at times.