In article <jd4l8oFoa29U2@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On 29/04/2022 07:37 pm, ARW wrote:

> > So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
> >
> > 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using the
> > A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads closed etc.
> >
> > So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel for my
> > car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest car to use
> > for Lou to get to work and back?

> Missing data: how many mpg in "her car"?

I'll give you a hint. Work out the cost per mile for both. Based on the
data given.

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On 30/04/2022 07:41, ARW wrote:
>> Yours because she will drive it and you will refill it so it wont cost
>> her anything.
>
> You have met her then?
>
> She has done that twice.

Adam, think of it as payment for services rendered.

Bill

On 30/04/2022 02:31 pm, ARW wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 12:35, JNugent wrote:
>> On 29/04/2022 07:37 pm, ARW wrote:
>>
>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>
>>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using
>>> the A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads
>>> closed etc.
>>>
>>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel for
>>> my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest car
>>> to use for Lou to get to work and back?
>>
>> Missing data: how many mpg in "her car"?
>
> Work it out.

Got you.

I was misled by the inclusion of the price of petrol (which wasn't
necessary).

On 30/04/2022 07:54, ARW wrote:
> Mine is not fast (1.6Tdi Octavia) but it gets up to 90MPH in a
> reasonable time so you can pass the 67MPH middle lane hoggers easily.

It's plenty fast enough for me thank you! Did you notice that I got out
and kissed my drive last time you dropped me off?

Bill

On 30/04/2022 15:11, williamwright wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 07:54, ARW wrote:
>> Mine is not fast (1.6Tdi Octavia) but it gets up to 90MPH in a
>> reasonable time so you can pass the 67MPH middle lane hoggers easily.
>
> It's plenty fast enough for me thank you! Did you notice that I got out
> and kissed my drive last time you dropped me off?
>

You are NOT the Pope kissing the floor.

What was your first comment on the trip "Jesus look at the size of that
arse"?

I had already looked and I had to drive on the wrong side of the road to
get past it even though she was walking on the pavement.

JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
> ARW wrote

>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using the
>> A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads closed etc.
>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel for
>> my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest car to
>> use for Lou to get to work and back?

> Missing data:

Nope.

> how many mpg in "her car"?

That can be calculated from her cost of the trip in her car, stupid.

williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote
> ARW wrote

>> Mine is not fast (1.6Tdi Octavia) but it gets up to 90MPH in a
>> reasonable time so you can pass the 67MPH middle lane hoggers easily.

> It's plenty fast enough for me thank you! Did you notice that I got out
> and kissed my drive last time you dropped me off?

That's because you have always been a deviate.

On 29/04/2022 21:28, Tim+ wrote:
> Well I think most people would work that out for themselves. I make no
> apologies for highlighting just how cheap the fuel cost of an EV can be
> though. Useful info for anyone with a car change potentially in the
> pipeline.
The fuel cost of an EV is comfortably greater than a diesel or petrol
car, if you remove the VAT and excises duty from the fuel...largely on
account of renewable subsidies charged on electricity bills.

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its shoes.

On 30/04/2022 03:57, Paul wrote:
> On 4/29/2022 4:15 PM, ARW wrote:
>> On 29/04/2022 20:24, Tim+ wrote:
>>> ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>>
>>>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using the
>>>> A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads closed etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel for my
>>>> car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest car to use
>>>> for Lou to get to work and back?
>>>>
>>>
>>> An EV (if she can charge at home). ;-)
>>>
>>> (An 80 mile trip currently costs me £1.14 on cheap rate electricity at
>>> night).
>>>
>>
>> And when your battery is fucked my Skoda and her Peugeot have many
>> miles left..
>>
>
> I think you're within range of a few solutions.
>
> Tesla Model 3 Long Range                      \
> EPA range: 353 miles                           \
> Fast-charging: Up to 200 miles in 15 minutes    \___ Adjusting for cold
> weather
> Price: $51,190                                  /    devaluation, this

£54,990 here (over $69,000 US)

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On 30/04/2022 15:11, JNugent wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 02:31 pm, ARW wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 12:35, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2022 07:37 pm, ARW wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>>
>>>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using
>>>> the A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads
>>>> closed etc.
>>>>
>>>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel for
>>>> my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest car
>>>> to use for Lou to get to work and back?
>>>
>>> Missing data: how many mpg in "her car"?
>>
>> Work it out.
>
> Got you.
>
> I was misled by the inclusion of the price of petrol (which wasn't
> necessary).
>

:-)

And the real answer is she uses mine and thinks I won't notice[1].

She does not know how to do the trip computers on mine so that is how I
knew she was doing 65MPG. I am lucky to get 55MPG on the same journey.

[1] We do not live together and I keep the car parked on her driveway
and I only use it at most once a fortnight on the weekend.

On 30/04/2022 12:21, Richard wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 07:54, ARW wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 07:40, Richard wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2022 19:37, ARW wrote:
>>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>>
>>>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using
>>>> the A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads
>>>> closed etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel for
>>>> my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest car
>>>> to use for Lou to get to work and back?
>>>
>>> I recently started to look at my fuel cost to see which routes were
>>> best for my commute.
>>> The round trip is about 35 miles and there are several routes I can
>>> take, the preferred being on roads with a 40mph limit and often
>>> encounter ponies/ donkeys/cattle .
>>> Using data from the trip computer, I average 51mpg with petrol at
>>> £1.64/litre costing £0.14 per mile.
>>> If I drive like I shouldn't, that changes quite a bit.
>>>
>>> Does Lou drive your car more carefully and hers like it's stolen?
>>
>>
>> No. She does about same speed in both.
>>
>> Her car is a 1L Peugeot 107 that has no power or acceleration on a
>> motorway/dual carriageway and when you get to 70MPH you get the urge
>> to get out and give it a shove.
>>
>> Mine is not fast (1.6Tdi Octavia) but it gets up to 90MPH in a
>> reasonable time so you can pass the 67MPH middle lane hoggers easily.
>
> Mine is a 1L 3 cylinder Hyundai i30. Has surprisingly good performance
> due to the turbo.
> In just over two years, from fill up to fill up the worst is 37 and best
> 48mpg.

Just checked the van. 418 miles and 28MPG over the last week. And a free
pigeon on the roofbars.

On 30/04/2022 14:41, williamwright wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 07:41, ARW wrote:
>>> Yours because she will drive it and you will refill it so it wont
>>> cost her anything.
>>
>> You have met her then?
>>
>> She has done that twice.
>
> Adam, think of it as payment for services rendered.
>

Another job where I do all the work?

On 01/05/2022 01:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/04/2022 21:28, Tim+ wrote:
>> Well I think most people would work that out for themselves.  I make no
>> apologies for highlighting just how cheap the fuel cost of an EV can be
>> though.  Useful info for anyone with a car change potentially in the
>> pipeline.
> The fuel cost of an EV is comfortably greater than a diesel or petrol
> car, if you remove the VAT and excises duty from the fuel...largely on
> account of renewable subsidies charged on electricity bills.

Most of us live in the real world where the taxes and subsidies actually
exist, so the cost is what it is in our wallets.
YMMV

On 30/04/2022 07:40, Richard wrote:

>
> Does Lou drive your car more carefully and hers like it's stolen?

When I has my ladder fall and broke three ribs she hit the kerb twice on
the way to A&E.

One of them on a left turn and she clipped the back wheel. That hurt
when the car landed back on the ground.

On 30/04/2022 08:27, Robin wrote:

>
> insurance - significant increase in your mileage/decrease in hers [point
> to watch on hers given it's a new job?; /possibly/ even issue about who
> is main driver?]

There is always someone who posts a really good reply to my vague and
random posts.

Lou is probably going to have to change her insurance to business use.

I assume that would mean I have to alter mine if she uses it for the
business as she is a named driver.

I'll still be the main driver of my car if that is defined by "I do more
miles PA in it than she does".

Mileage PA on the insurance is no longer a problem - covered for 20K a
year and it will never get near that.

On 01 May 2022 at 03:44:29 BST, ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> She does not know how to do the trip computers on mine so that is how I
> knew she was doing 65MPG. I am lucky to get 55MPG on the same journey.

The gas pedal doesn't have to be either "off" or "on the floor". There *are*
intermediate positions, you know.

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- Jeff Polk

On 30/04/2022 06:51 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>> ARW wrote
>
>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>  80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using
>>> the A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads
>>> closed etc.
>>>  So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel for
>>> my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest car
>>> to use for Lou to get to work and back?
>
>> Missing data:
>
> Nope.
>
>> how many mpg in "her car"?
>
> That can be calculated from her cost of the trip in her car, stupid.

Given that the overall cost of the journey was quoted, what do you say
was the point in providing the price per litre of petrol?

On 01/05/2022 03:44 am, ARW wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 15:11, JNugent wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 02:31 pm, ARW wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2022 12:35, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2022 07:37 pm, ARW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>>>
>>>>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using
>>>>> the A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads
>>>>> closed etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel
>>>>> for my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest
>>>>> car to use for Lou to get to work and back?
>>>>
>>>> Missing data: how many mpg in "her car"?
>>>
>>> Work it out.
>>
>> Got you.
>>
>> I was misled by the inclusion of the price of petrol (which wasn't
>> necessary).
>
> :-)
>
> And the real answer is she uses mine and thinks I won't notice[1].

Our system (because for temporary reasons, we have to park the cars in a
vertical line out to road) is to use whichever of them is the nearest
to the exit.

> She does not know how to do the trip computers on mine so that is how I
> knew she was doing 65MPG. I am lucky to get 55MPG on the same journey.
>
> [1] We do not live together and I keep the car parked on her driveway
> and I only use it at most once a fortnight on the weekend.

Ah...

On 01/05/2022 08:57, ARW wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 07:40, Richard wrote:
>
>>
>> Does Lou drive your car more carefully and hers like it's stolen?
>
> When I has my ladder fall and broke three ribs she hit the kerb twice on
> the way to A&E.
>
> One of them on a left turn and she clipped the back wheel. That hurt
> when the car landed back on the ground.

Oooohh. You really should've remembered the 'safe' word.

On 01/05/2022 11:00, JNugent wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 03:44 am, ARW wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 15:11, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2022 02:31 pm, ARW wrote:
>>>> On 30/04/2022 12:35, JNugent wrote:
>>>>> On 29/04/2022 07:37 pm, ARW wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using
>>>>>> the A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads
>>>>>> closed etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel
>>>>>> for my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the
>>>>>> cheapest car to use for Lou to get to work and back?
>>>>>
>>>>> Missing data: how many mpg in "her car"?
>>>>
>>>> Work it out.
>>>
>>> Got you.
>>>
>>> I was misled by the inclusion of the price of petrol (which wasn't
>>> necessary).
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> And the real answer is she uses mine and thinks I won't notice[1].
>
> Our system (because for temporary reasons, we have to park the cars in a
> vertical line out to road) is to use whichever of them is the nearest to
> the exit.

WTF?! That's bloody awkward. Can't you park perpendicularly?

>
>> She does not know how to do the trip computers on mine so that is how
>> I knew she was doing 65MPG. I am lucky to get 55MPG on the same journey.
>>
>> [1] We do not live together and I keep the car parked on her driveway
>> and I only use it at most once a fortnight on the weekend.
>
> Ah...

On 01/05/2022 12:07 pm, Richard wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 11:00, JNugent wrote:
>> On 01/05/2022 03:44 am, ARW wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2022 15:11, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 30/04/2022 02:31 pm, ARW wrote:
>>>>> On 30/04/2022 12:35, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/04/2022 07:37 pm, ARW wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if
>>>>>>> using the A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no
>>>>>>> roads closed etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel
>>>>>>> for my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the
>>>>>>> cheapest car to use for Lou to get to work and back?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Missing data: how many mpg in "her car"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Work it out.
>>>>
>>>> Got you.
>>>>
>>>> I was misled by the inclusion of the price of petrol (which wasn't
>>>> necessary).
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> And the real answer is she uses mine and thinks I won't notice[1].
>>
>> Our system (because for temporary reasons, we have to park the cars in
>> a vertical line out to road) is to use whichever of them is the
>> nearest to the exit.
>
> WTF?! That's bloody awkward. Can't you park perpendicularly?

:-)

>>> She does not know how to do the trip computers on mine so that is how
>>> I knew she was doing 65MPG. I am lucky to get 55MPG on the same journey.
>>>
>>> [1] We do not live together and I keep the car parked on her driveway
>>> and I only use it at most once a fortnight on the weekend.
>>
>> Ah...
>

On 01/05/2022 03:44, ARW wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 15:11, JNugent wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 02:31 pm, ARW wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2022 12:35, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2022 07:37 pm, ARW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So Lou is saying it now costs her around £12.50 to work and back.
>>>>>
>>>>> 80 mile round trip if using the M1 and 72 mile round trip if using
>>>>> the A1. She uses whichever google maps says is fastest/no roads
>>>>> closed etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> So based on £1.59/L for unleaded on her car a and £1.72/L diesel
>>>>> for my car that does 65MPG when she drives it which is the cheapest
>>>>> car to use for Lou to get to work and back?
>>>>
>>>> Missing data: how many mpg in "her car"?
>>>
>>> Work it out.
>>
>> Got you.
>>
>> I was misled by the inclusion of the price of petrol (which wasn't
>> necessary).
>>
>
> :-)
>
> And the real answer is she uses mine and thinks I won't notice[1].

/that/ explains your question. (I had just wondered if someone had
spiked your drink with some weird shit.)

> She does not know how to do the trip computers on mine so that is how I
> knew she was doing 65MPG. I am lucky to get 55MPG on the same journey.
>
> [1] We do not live together and I keep the car parked on her driveway
> and I only use it at most once a fortnight on the weekend.

IMHO Lou can reasonably argue it's just a fair charge for the use of her
drive, innit. And she's keeping your battery in good nick.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 01/05/2022 12:03, Richard wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 08:57, ARW wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 07:40, Richard wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Does Lou drive your car more carefully and hers like it's stolen?
>>
>> When I has my ladder fall and broke three ribs she hit the kerb twice
>> on the way to A&E.
>>
>> One of them on a left turn and she clipped the back wheel. That hurt
>> when the car landed back on the ground.
>
> Oooohh. You really should've remembered the 'safe' word.

And the argument before we got to A&E because I made her stop off at the
cafe so I could have a full English.

On 01/05/2022 04:40, ARW wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 14:41, williamwright wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 07:41, ARW wrote:
>>>> Yours because she will drive it and you will refill it so it wont
>>>> cost her anything.
>>>
>>> You have met her then?
>>>
>>> She has done that twice.
>>
>> Adam, think of it as payment for services rendered.
>>
>
> Another job where I do all the work?

Well wait til she wakes up you dirty bugger.

Bill

On 30/04/2022 18:03, ARW wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 15:11, williamwright wrote:
>> On 30/04/2022 07:54, ARW wrote:
>>> Mine is not fast (1.6Tdi Octavia) but it gets up to 90MPH in a
>>> reasonable time so you can pass the 67MPH middle lane hoggers easily.
>>
>> It's plenty fast enough for me thank you! Did you notice that I got
>> out and kissed my drive last time you dropped me off?
>>
>
>
>
> You are NOT the Pope kissing the floor.
>
> What was your first comment on the trip "Jesus look at the size of that
> arse"?

You've got a good memory.

Bill