On 29/10/2021 19:08, siwilson wrote:
> On 29/10/2021 16:01, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 07:40:11 +0100, Pete Fisher
>> <peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Still, I've achieved the goal of owning and riding (albeit not far) a
>>> bike older than I am.
>>
>> Hmmmm. I think I need to have a go at this one :)
>>
>
> I have to admit that the oldest bike I've ever owned (1935 Velocette Mac
> 350) is up there with one of the most fun bikes I've owned. Stupidly I
> sold it earlier this year. Which is why I'm currently building another
> two...
>

And this was one of my most satisfying results in hillclimbing
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JjhKNWaAX4X21JDD9

--
/Simon

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:08:45 +0100, siwilson
<siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 29/10/2021 16:01, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 07:40:11 +0100, Pete Fisher
>> <peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Still, I've achieved the goal of owning and riding (albeit not far) a
>>> bike older than I am.
>>
>> Hmmmm. I think I need to have a go at this one :)
>>
>
>I have to admit that the oldest bike I've ever owned (1935 Velocette Mac
>350) is up there with one of the most fun bikes I've owned. Stupidly I
>sold it earlier this year. Which is why I'm currently building another
>two...

<googles>

They look pretty cool :)
Long production run too!

--
Mark Roberts

On 29/10/2021 19:14 Ace penned these words:

> It sounds rather sad though, almost fatalistic. "We're all gonna die
> sometime, so why worry?"

That TBF is my attitude. I'll try to dodge if I have the opportunity but
eventually the reaper will win the game.

> I'm planning to hold on with every last ounce of strength and
> determination, come what may.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 7:14:21 AM UTC-4, Ace wrote:

> I'm planning to hold on with every last ounce of strength and
> determination, come what may.

I've been around a lot of death, mainly because of the business my dad was in. All I know for sure is that no-one can know for sure how they'll be at the end (or near the end). There are so many factors: current age, general health, the situation in question (cancer v heart attack v serious accident), perception of quality of life ahead, specific events to live for, quantity and quality of loved ones around, and all manner of other things.

On 10/30/2021 2:45 PM, Pip Luscher wrote:
> Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>> [snip]... I couldn't help feeling rather disturbed that so many people
>> seem to accept their death as inevitable or even plan to off themselves
>> early if they see it coming.
>
> Not because of seeing death coming, but seeing an unpleasant,
> perhaps demeaning existence (that could not be called life) over
> which one has no control and will only be ended - eventually at
> some unspecified time - by death.
>
My mother died of Alzheimers, and for the last 5 years of her life, she
kept saying she wished she could end it. I don't want to go through that.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

In article <jilnngpakuaa8jh20osh3af7nbspsqm7hf@4ax.com>,
Ace says...

> It sounds rather sad though, almost fatalistic. "We're all gonna die
> sometime, so why worry?" Similar sentiments were aired by several here
> on a long thread a few weeks ago, and I couldn't help feeling rather
> disturbed that so many people seem to accept their death as inevitable
> or even plan to off themselves early if they see it coming.

I've watched the decline of two in-laws, one from cancer,
one from dementia.

Both were horrid (the method of death and the in-laws
themselves) but I'd choose the cancer death just because of
the drugs available.
> I'm planning to hold on with every last ounce of strength and
> determination, come what may.

I hope that you can do that.

Mark Roberts wrote:

> > I have to admit that the oldest bike I've ever owned (1935
> > Velocette Mac 350) is up there with one of the most fun bikes I've
> > owned. Stupidly I sold it earlier this year. Which is why I'm
> > currently building another two...
>
> <googles>
>
> They look pretty cool :)
> Long production run too!

Yes, I'm quite taken with those.

I really do fancy a pre-war bike. I wonder how much they go for.

--
Simon

On 31/10/2021 01:23, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <jilnngpakuaa8jh20osh3af7nbspsqm7hf@4ax.com>,
> Ace says...
>
>> It sounds rather sad though, almost fatalistic. "We're all gonna die
>> sometime, so why worry?" Similar sentiments were aired by several here
>> on a long thread a few weeks ago, and I couldn't help feeling rather
>> disturbed that so many people seem to accept their death as inevitable
>> or even plan to off themselves early if they see it coming.
>
> I've watched the decline of two in-laws, one from cancer,
> one from dementia.
>
> Both were horrid (the method of death and the in-laws
> themselves) but I'd choose the cancer death just because of
> the drugs available.

My dad died of liver cancer, and spent the last couple of months of his
life pretty much unconscious. He'd rallied briefly for their diamond
wedding but after that he'd taken to his bed once more and stayed there.
He could have had some more chemo but it made him feel awful and
wouldn't have given him much extra time so he decided not to.

Mum died of total renal failure. It took her a week to go, and she was
out of it after about four days. I think the pain was completely
controlled but she was delirious for a fair bit of the time.

On 31 Oct 2021 09:59:21 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> > I have to admit that the oldest bike I've ever owned (1935
>> > Velocette Mac 350) is up there with one of the most fun bikes I've
>> > owned. Stupidly I sold it earlier this year. Which is why I'm
>> > currently building another two...
>>
>> <googles>
>>
>> They look pretty cool :)
>> Long production run too!
>
>Yes, I'm quite taken with those.
>
>I really do fancy a pre-war bike. I wonder how much they go for.

I had a look. What seemed to be 'good' ones were about 5-6k.

Enough to stop me being impulsive :)
--
Mark Roberts

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:35:03 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in
>> I'm planning to hold on with every last ounce of strength and
>> determination, come what may.

>You have already achieved cantankerous old bastard. One can live many a
>happy year at this level. Do you really want to achieve demented and
>decrepit old fart?

genuine LOL

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 13:14:18 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>It sounds rather sad though, almost fatalistic. "We're all gonna die
>sometime, so why worry?" Similar sentiments were aired by several here
>on a long thread a few weeks ago, and I couldn't help feeling rather
>disturbed that so many people seem to accept their death as inevitable
>or even plan to off themselves early if they see it coming.

Death clearly is inevitable. I guess most of us are expressing a wish
to be able to decide when our quality of life is no longer acceptable.

>I'm planning to hold on with every last ounce of strength and
>determination, come what may.

I definitely don't want to just be alive for the sake of it. I
appreciate that one's expectations and horizons change, and what might
seem awful to me now would be fine in 20 years, but still, as the
other testemonies in this thread suggest, there definitely is a point
when people want to say "enough"
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:16:39 +0100, siwilson
<siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>And this was one of my most satisfying results in hillclimbing
>https://photos.app.goo.gl/JjhKNWaAX4X21JDD9

Excellent. Tho I can't help but notice that the line below the snip
appears to be showing a time starting with a "4"... :-)
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 13:14:18 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>>I'm planning to hold on with every last ounce of strength and
>>determination, come what may.
>
> I definitely don't want to just be alive for the sake of it. I
> appreciate that one's expectations and horizons change, and what might
> seem awful to me now would be fine in 20 years, but still, as the
> other testemonies in this thread suggest, there definitely is a point
> when people want to say "enough"

My F-I-L had something to say about this in the couple of years
immediately preceding his death. His view was that as you age,
your views on what constitutes an OK quality of life tends to evolve
toward accepting limitations that one's younger self would consider
unacceptable.

In other words, it's easier to be brave and say you'd end it all when
it gets to be too much, but when the time comes you find yourself
clinging firmly to life right up to the end. In any case, that was
his view and his particular experience bore it out.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 13:34:25 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
<olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 13:14:18 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>>I'm planning to hold on with every last ounce of strength and
>>>determination, come what may.
>>
>> I definitely don't want to just be alive for the sake of it. I
>> appreciate that one's expectations and horizons change, and what might
>> seem awful to me now would be fine in 20 years, but still, as the
>> other testemonies in this thread suggest, there definitely is a point
>> when people want to say "enough"

>My F-I-L had something to say about this in the couple of years
>immediately preceding his death. His view was that as you age,
>your views on what constitutes an OK quality of life tends to evolve
>toward accepting limitations that one's younger self would consider
>unacceptable.

Yes, that's what I was trying to say

>In other words, it's easier to be brave and say you'd end it all when
>it gets to be too much, but when the time comes you find yourself
>clinging firmly to life right up to the end. In any case, that was
>his view and his particular experience bore it out.

Understood. But there are plenty of documented instances of people
who definitely do not want to cling to (what remains of their) life
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 01/11/2021 12:50, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:16:39 +0100, siwilson
> <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And this was one of my most satisfying results in hillclimbing
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JjhKNWaAX4X21JDD9
>
> Excellent. Tho I can't help but notice that the line below the snip
> appears to be showing a time starting with a "4"... :-)
>

Well yes, a 1935 350 Velocette with a rigid rear end and girder forks
isn't really much a match for a big bore CR250 2 stroke supermoto.
Different classes, although they are all in the 350 open class together.

--
/Simon

On 03/11/2021 20:00, siwilson wrote:
> On 01/11/2021 12:50, Champ wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:16:39 +0100, siwilson
>> <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And this was one of my most satisfying results in hillclimbing
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JjhKNWaAX4X21JDD9
>>
>> Excellent.  Tho I can't help but notice that the line below the snip
>> appears to be showing a time starting with a "4"...  :-)
>>
>
> Well yes, a 1935 350 Velocette with a rigid rear end and girder forks
> isn't really much a match for a big bore CR250 2 stroke supermoto.
> Different classes, although they are all in the 350 open class together.
>

Talking of NHCA pots, Ogden is being very coy.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 04/11/2021 07:33, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 03/11/2021 20:00, siwilson wrote:
>> On 01/11/2021 12:50, Champ wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:16:39 +0100, siwilson
>>> <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And this was one of my most satisfying results in hillclimbing
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JjhKNWaAX4X21JDD9
>>>
>>> Excellent.  Tho I can't help but notice that the line below the snip
>>> appears to be showing a time starting with a "4"...  :-)
>>>
>>
>> Well yes, a 1935 350 Velocette with a rigid rear end and girder forks
>> isn't really much a match for a big bore CR250 2 stroke supermoto.
>> Different classes, although they are all in the 350 open class together.
>>
>
> Talking of NHCA pots, Ogden is being very coy.
>

Not IRL he ain't.

--
/Simon

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 19:15:22 +0000, siwilson
<siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 04/11/2021 07:33, Pete Fisher wrote:

>> Talking of NHCA pots, Ogden is being very coy.

>Not IRL he ain't.

Who could even imagine that?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 05/11/2021 14:19, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 19:15:22 +0000, siwilson
> <siwilson@nodamnspam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/11/2021 07:33, Pete Fisher wrote:
>
>>> Talking of NHCA pots, Ogden is being very coy.
>
>> Not IRL he ain't.
>
> Who could even imagine that?
>

Heh. We took part in an invitational sprint at Weston Park at the end of
the season, and on one of the runs, as he was first up, he ended up in
the commentary box. I'm gonna regret saying this in public but he was
pretty good.

Mind you, the main commentator did set a low bar.

--
/Simon

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 5:48:04 PM UTC, siwilson wrote:

> Heh. We took part in an invitational sprint at Weston Park at the end of
> the season, and on one of the runs, as he was first up, he ended up in
> the commentary box. I'm gonna regret saying this in public but he was
> pretty good.

I can imagine that. Did they have a bleep button?

--
WUN

On 08/11/2021 18:48, WUN wrote:
> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 5:48:04 PM UTC, siwilson wrote:
>
>> Heh. We took part in an invitational sprint at Weston Park at the end of
>> the season, and on one of the runs, as he was first up, he ended up in
>> the commentary box. I'm gonna regret saying this in public but he was
>> pretty good.
>
> I can imagine that. Did they have a bleep button?
>

It was surprisingly clean. Family event and all that.

--
/Simon

On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 1:48:04 PM UTC-4, siwilson wrote:

> Heh. We took part in an invitational sprint at Weston Park at the end of
> the season, and on one of the runs, as he was first up, he ended up in
> the commentary box. I'm gonna regret saying this in public but he was
> pretty good.

I'm not surprised: he's a loudmouthed opinionated bugger. Perfect for the job.

On 11/8/2021 11:20 AM, siwilson wrote:
> On 08/11/2021 18:48, WUN wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 5:48:04 PM UTC, siwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Heh. We took part in an invitational sprint at Weston Park at the end of
>>> the season, and on one of the runs, as he was first up, he ended up in
>>> the commentary box. I'm gonna regret saying this in public but he was
>>> pretty good.
>>
>> I can imagine that. Did they have a bleep button?
>>
>
> It was surprisingly clean. Family event and all that.
>
I'm beginning to wonder if the Ogden we know on UKRM is just a sham.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Thursday, 28 October 2021 at 16:42:12 UTC+1, Turby wrote:

> There's a curve on Hiway 1 in California with no guard rail above a
> cliff several hundred feet high over the ocean. I fantasized about
> taking a right instead of a left there many times. But knowing quite a
> few emergency techs who have all had to deal with corpses and the trauma
> that entails, I don't want to put that on anyone. Plus, I'd like to
> ensure my affairs are in order. (Hah. Fat chance of that.)

Good lord, this is the second thread on the subject in recent times. Which must be
illustrative of something profound.

On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 02:04:49 -0800 (PST), Hog <york996@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, 28 October 2021 at 16:42:12 UTC+1, Turby wrote:
>
>> There's a curve on Hiway 1 in California with no guard rail above a
>> cliff several hundred feet high over the ocean. I fantasized about
>> taking a right instead of a left there many times. But knowing quite a
>> few emergency techs who have all had to deal with corpses and the trauma
>> that entails, I don't want to put that on anyone. Plus, I'd like to
>> ensure my affairs are in order. (Hah. Fat chance of that.)
>
>Good lord, this is the second thread on the subject in recent times. Which must be
>illustrative of something profound.

The third, at least, in the last nmonth or so. I commented on how
disturbing I found it on the second one, but it seems that most folk
are OK about discussing ways to off themselves at some future date.

Now there are some people who I might encourage, but none of them have
so far volunteered.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/