On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 6:34:54 PM UTC, wessie wrote:
> Pete <pe...@btmungeinternet.com> wrote in
> news:co88og9036al0s0f6...@4ax.com:
> > On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 17:23:52 -0000 (UTC), wessie
> > <willn...@tesco.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Pete <pe...@btmungeinternet.com> wrote in
> >>news:kaf5og5gnn21pa67q...@4ax.com:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:34:06 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
> >>> <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Colin Irvine <lo...@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:09:17 +0100, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Ahh, so definitely not an ideal bike for scratching round the
> >>>>>>hairpins.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Indeed not. Our current FJR is better. However, there comes a
> >>>>> point when bends turn from being "fun" to being "hard work". Our
> >>>>> general criterion is if the road is used by coaches it'll probably
> >>>>> suit us fine.
> >>>>
> >>>>Yessss. I find the FJR to be most enjoyable on long sweepers at
> >>>>speed, it can handle the tight stuff OK, but in a series of tight
> >>>>switchbacks it quickly becomes a test of stamina from having to
> >>>>wrestle it around.
> >>>
> >>> Even on a smaller bike it can be tiring: I went for lunch last week
> >>> at a spot up a series of hairpins and had to explain why I, out in
> >>> the fresh air, was sweating and out of breath when the rest of the
> >>> group who travelled by car were all fine.
> >>>
> >>> Never seen any coaches going up that road - in fact I don't think
> >>> they could make it round some of the corners (CV675, south of Simat
> >>> de la Valldigna). There is another approach to the village with
> >>> easier access, still designed to ground the footpegs though.
> >>>
> >>
> >>how is that challenging? There's a while line down the middle, safety
> >>barriers and a rain gutter!
> >
> > Adverse camber, blind corners, rock face walls, north facing so it
> > doesn't dry very well, occasional washout debris just where you don't
> > need or want it. Street View doesn't properly represent the reality,
> > especially on the mid stretches, it is narrower than it appears.
> >
> > I'll grant that the CV600 going west from Simat is easier and largely
> > meets your criteria without the disadvantages, but still heaps of fun,
> > especially since it was partly resurfaced. Oh and it now has a 60 KPH
> > limit over some of the best bits, which is less endearing. Honestly,
> > the Spanish are getting even more paranoid over speed than the UK.
> >
> I guess YMMV. I think of a challenging road where you drop around a
> corner to find the road becomes a cobbled track through a Portugeuse
> farmyard with 33% hairpins or 49 cobbled hairpins over a pass in
> Slovenia that have been rutted by trucks. The first really grabs your
> attention and the latter is properly tiresome.

I define challenging as following Scraggy and his sat nav decides that a rutted gravel/grass track is suitable terrain for a VFR.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 18:34:53 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>
>I guess YMMV. I think of a challenging road where you drop around a
>corner to find the road becomes a cobbled track through a Portugeuse
>farmyard with 33% hairpins or 49 cobbled hairpins over a pass in
>Slovenia that have been rutted by trucks. The first really grabs your
>attention and the latter is properly tiresome.

Challenging, in that way, is not necessarily the same as enjoyable.
There's an unnumbered mountain road I tried a while back that probably
fits your definition, and it's a complete pain. Surfaces change with
no warning (no tarmac over 10km or so), get washed out and badly
rutted, very slippery when wet, terminating in a very steep downhill
gradient with poor crumbling concrete and gravel (with hairpins, of
course). You couldn't pay me to cross it again, at least without a
suitable lightweight trail bike.

The views from the top are stunning though. I've just revisted via
Street View (yes, they did get a car up there, back in 2013) and might
rescind that last pronouncement.

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 13:18:11 +0100, Pete <pemur@btmungeinternet.com>
wrote:

>>>Even on a smaller bike it can be tiring: I went for lunch last week at
>>>a spot up a series of hairpins

>>>Never seen any coaches going up that road - in fact I don't think they
>>>could make it round some of the corners (CV675, south of Simat de la
>>>Valldigna).

>><looks on map>
>>
>>Yes, I see what you mean!
>>I assume lunch was at La Visteta?
>
>No, still to try that one. There are smaller bars that have survived
>the plague in Barx, and we try to support the local places.

<nods>

I see you're also pretty handy for the Valencian MotoGP in a couple of
weeks
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 09:32:47 +0000, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>On 04/11/2021 19:21, Turby wrote:
>>
>> Senility sucks. So does an essential tremor. I filter almost every day,
>> usually on a mile long stretch where our local streets are worse than
>> many 3rd world countries. My FJR is wider than many bikes, adding to the
>> challenge, and the tremor has gotten worse, along with weaker muscles of
>> old age. Add it all up and I worry more and more. Thank Ged more people
>> are more courteous, giving me more room.
>
>"Fuck, here comes that wobbly old bastard. Get out of his way!"

<g>

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

On 04/11/2021 00:26, Turby wrote:
> On 11/3/2021 1:55 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 03/11/2021 18:33, Pipl wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 00:17:18 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>>> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws>
>>>
>>> But do they fire bolts into people's heads?
>>
>> I'm sure a few of them want to.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PaTWufUqqU
>>
> Hah! I dread the day they are ever programmed with morality and an idea
> of justice.

They don't need any of that fancy stuff, just the concept of revenge.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 03:53:33 -0700 (PDT), Dave Brown
<browniebrownz@googlemail.com> wrote:

..
>> >
>> I guess YMMV. I think of a challenging road where you drop around a
>> corner to find the road becomes a cobbled track through a Portugeuse
>> farmyard with 33% hairpins or 49 cobbled hairpins over a pass in
>> Slovenia that have been rutted by trucks. The first really grabs your
>> attention and the latter is properly tiresome.
>
>I define challenging as following Scraggy and his sat nav decides that a rutted gravel/grass track is suitable terrain for a VFR.

You just had the wrong tyres. Probably.