On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:44:46 PM UTC-5, TOG@Toil wrote:

> Now... worrying slightly about my pension, like most people, although
> I've been chucking about 25-30% of my pay into it for the last 10-15
> years. I can't actually see what I'm going to do with the accumulated
> sum that will bring me a decent income. Might buy some more lock-up
> garages: they've proved to be the best investment ever, and I only
> started doing it because I wanted somewhere to stash my bikes.
>
> I'm just assuming I'll be doing "something" to earn a crust one way or
> t'other until I peg out. Freelance writing, flogging SOBs, whatever.

Was searching UKRM for something else and found this, from less than 6 months before he fell off the perch.

Punch in the fucking gut.

Ben Blaney <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:44:46 PM UTC-5, TOG@Toil wrote:
>
>> Now... worrying slightly about my pension, like most people, although
>> I've been chucking about 25-30% of my pay into it for the last 10-15
>> years. I can't actually see what I'm going to do with the accumulated
>> sum that will bring me a decent income. Might buy some more lock-up
>> garages: they've proved to be the best investment ever, and I only
>> started doing it because I wanted somewhere to stash my bikes.
>>
>> I'm just assuming I'll be doing "something" to earn a crust one way or
>> t'other until I peg out. Freelance writing, flogging SOBs, whatever.
>
>
>
> Was searching UKRM for something else and found this, from less than 6 months before he fell off the perch.
>
> Punch in the fucking gut.

Moral: Stop working. It's later than you think.

Can't quite bring myself to do it ATM but it's a close thing.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

El Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:41:48 +0000, Mark Olson escribió:

> Ben Blaney <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:44:46 PM UTC-5, TOG@Toil wrote:
>>
>>> Now... worrying slightly about my pension, like most people, although
>>> I've been chucking about 25-30% of my pay into it for the last 10-15
>>> years. I can't actually see what I'm going to do with the accumulated
>>> sum that will bring me a decent income. Might buy some more lock-up
>>> garages: they've proved to be the best investment ever, and I only
>>> started doing it because I wanted somewhere to stash my bikes.
>>>
>>> I'm just assuming I'll be doing "something" to earn a crust one way or
>>> t'other until I peg out. Freelance writing, flogging SOBs, whatever.
>>
>>
>>
>> Was searching UKRM for something else and found this, from less than 6
>> months before he fell off the perch.
>>
>> Punch in the fucking gut.
>
> Moral: Stop working. It's later than you think.

Seconded. Unless you like working. I believe Neil enjoyed his work.

The above says more about pension funds thatn anything else. If you're
going to plough tons of money in, make sure it will provide for the
survivor.
> Can't quite bring myself to do it ATM but it's a close thing.

I got off the treadmill 18 years ago, but still have projects that
involve work. If I were to stop, I'd surely drop soon after.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:41:48 +0000, Mark Olson escribió:

>> Moral: Stop working. It's later than you think.
>
> Seconded. Unless you like working. I believe Neil enjoyed his work.

A person is lucky if they can say they genuinely enjoy it. I enjoy
certain parts of my job, but the overhead of all the stuff I don't care
for generally overwhelms the good stuff.

> The above says more about pension funds thatn anything else. If you're
> going to plough tons of money in, make sure it will provide for the
> survivor.
>
>> Can't quite bring myself to do it ATM but it's a close thing.
>
>
> I got off the treadmill 18 years ago, but still have projects that
> involve work. If I were to stop, I'd surely drop soon after.

Of course I plan to work, just not work for a big company as a regular
employee. I have lots of personal projects I want to tackle. I could
possibly consider contracting on a short term basis for the right amount
of cash.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On 11/12/2021 5:19 AM, Mark Olson wrote:
> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:41:48 +0000, Mark Olson escribió:
>
>>> Moral: Stop working. It's later than you think.
>>
>> Seconded. Unless you like working. I believe Neil enjoyed his work.
>
> A person is lucky if they can say they genuinely enjoy it. I enjoy
> certain parts of my job, but the overhead of all the stuff I don't care
> for generally overwhelms the good stuff.

I did mechanical design using CAD. It was like playing games every day,
making very complicated shapes. I got a promotion. It turned out to be
nothing but paper pushing. I did it for 2 years, proved I was a good
boy, then went to a VP and asked for my old job back. And I wanted to
work evening shift. He said OK, and I could keep the pay raise. Great. I
could go surfing in the morning, then go to work with no one to bother
me. When I retired, it hit me how few people in this world enjoy what
they do for a living.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 12/11/2021 13:19, Mark Olson wrote:
> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:41:48 +0000, Mark Olson escribió:
>
>>> Moral: Stop working. It's later than you think.
>>
>> Seconded. Unless you like working. I believe Neil enjoyed his work.
>
> A person is lucky if they can say they genuinely enjoy it. I enjoy
> certain parts of my job, but the overhead of all the stuff I don't care
> for generally overwhelms the good stuff.
>

I found the biggest PITA is "management", working independantly these
last 12 years has been blissful.

>> The above says more about pension funds thatn anything else. If you're
>> going to plough tons of money in, make sure it will provide for the
>> survivor.
>>
>>> Can't quite bring myself to do it ATM but it's a close thing.
>>
>>
>> I got off the treadmill 18 years ago, but still have projects that
>> involve work. If I were to stop, I'd surely drop soon after.
>
> Of course I plan to work, just not work for a big company as a regular
> employee. I have lots of personal projects I want to tackle. I could
> possibly consider contracting on a short term basis for the right amount
> of cash.
>

The amount of cash is always right, I don;t have many clients a the
moment and have dropped my rates/give some extra time. It is nice to
have a couple of tasks on the go.

December onwards is empty though :-(

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 9:14:15 AM UTC-5, Turby wrote:

>When I retired, it hit me how few people in this world enjoy what
> they do for a living.

I'm sure that's true. And it's been true of my situation for chunks of my career. At the moment, I really like what I do, I really like the products in involved, I like my boss, and I like my company. I'm hoping that situation lasts a while...

El Fri, 12 Nov 2021 06:41:28 -0800, Ben Blaney escribió:

> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 9:14:15 AM UTC-5, Turby wrote:
>
>>When I retired, it hit me how few people in this world enjoy what
>> they do for a living.
>
> I'm sure that's true. And it's been true of my situation for chunks of
> my career. At the moment, I really like what I do, I really like the
> products in involved, I like my boss, and I like my company. I'm hoping
> that situation lasts a while...

When I went to work for Dr Solomon's, back in 1995, we were all
programmers, doing stuff we enjoyed.

Towards the end of my stay there, by which time we were totally American,
I was sick to death of the constant meetings (usually around the USA
timetable) and not being allowed to make changes that might rock the boat
(read: affect share price). It was boring and rather well paid.

I walked away, after paying off the mortgage and writing a cheque for
GBP150,000 for the tax man. My accountant told me I was mad.

Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough". Having
said that, I want a Cordoba C12 and can't afford it now.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

On 12/11/2021 14:14, Turby wrote:
> On 11/12/2021 5:19 AM, Mark Olson wrote:
>> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> El Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:41:48 +0000, Mark Olson escribió:
>>
>>>> Moral: Stop working. It's later than you think.
>>>
>>> Seconded. Unless you like working. I believe Neil enjoyed his work.
>>
>> A person is lucky if they can say they genuinely enjoy it. I enjoy
>> certain parts of my job, but the overhead of all the stuff I don't care
>> for generally overwhelms the good stuff.
>
> I did mechanical design using CAD. It was like playing games every day,
> making very complicated shapes. I got a promotion. It turned out to be
> nothing but paper pushing. I did it for 2 years, proved I was a good
> boy, then went to a VP and asked for my old job back. And I wanted to
> work evening shift. He said OK, and I could keep the pay raise. Great. I
> could go surfing in the morning, then go to work with no one to bother
> me. When I retired, it hit me how few people in this world enjoy what
> they do for a living.
>
>

Whereas I ended up hating what I did. That is until I took early
retirement and was invited back just to play with the computer systems.
Which I did for another 7 years. I even accrued a small additional
superannuation pension doing it.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 11/12/2021 9:56 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
>
> Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough".

Hallelujah. My cafe' is in the rich part of town. I often sit with a guy
who just bought a new Corvette Stingray. A fucking Republican, of
course. He often complains about paying taxes. He just spent more than
double what most Americans make in a year on a toy, and he's complaining.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 12/11/2021 17:56, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Fri, 12 Nov 2021 06:41:28 -0800, Ben Blaney escribió:
>
>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 9:14:15 AM UTC-5, Turby wrote:
>>
>>> When I retired, it hit me how few people in this world enjoy what
>>> they do for a living.
>>
>> I'm sure that's true. And it's been true of my situation for chunks of
>> my career. At the moment, I really like what I do, I really like the
>> products in involved, I like my boss, and I like my company. I'm hoping
>> that situation lasts a while...
>
>
> When I went to work for Dr Solomon's,
That is a blast from the past

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 12 Nov 2021 17:56:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough".

<applause>
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On 12 Nov 2021 17:56:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough"

<applause>

I drive a truck for a couple of mornings a week. And I'm currently
learning to drive a bus. Turns out I don't need much money nowadays.
Life is so much relaxed than the last 5 years (at least) of my full-on
IT professional life
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:17:03 -0800 (PST), Ben Blaney
<benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:44:46 PM UTC-5, TOG@Toil wrote:
>
>> Now... worrying slightly about my pension, like most people, although
>> I've been chucking about 25-30% of my pay into it for the last 10-15
>> years. I can't actually see what I'm going to do with the accumulated
>> sum that will bring me a decent income. Might buy some more lock-up
>> garages: they've proved to be the best investment ever, and I only
>> started doing it because I wanted somewhere to stash my bikes.
>>
>> I'm just assuming I'll be doing "something" to earn a crust one way or
>> t'other until I peg out. Freelance writing, flogging SOBs, whatever.

>Was searching UKRM for something else and found this, from less than 6 months before he fell off the perch.
>
>Punch in the fucking gut.

Fuck. Isn't it just.

But it's a completely normal conundrum. We can't say "fuck it, I
might be dead tomorrow", because we might live to be 100. But, if we
obsess over how we'll provide for the next 30 years [1], then equally,
we might drop dead tomorrow.

The only thing is to have some balance. Have some plan for the
future, but remember to enjoy today too.

[1] I'm looking at you, here, Burnt :-)

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 12/11/2021 21:07, Champ wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2021 17:56:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough"
>
> <applause>
>
> I drive a truck for a couple of mornings a week. And I'm currently
> learning to drive a bus. Turns out I don't need much money nowadays.
> Life is so much relaxed than the last 5 years (at least) of my full-on
> IT professional life
>

I've considerd the PSV licence thing.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 9:07:32 PM UTC, Champ wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2021 17:56:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough"
> <applause>
>
> I drive a truck for a couple of mornings a week. And I'm currently
> learning to drive a bus.

Mate... Mate... (How to put this delicately?). I remember being ferried from the
pub back to Snetterton in Sweller's Sherpa, with you at the wheel.

Are you *sure* about this?

--
WUN

On 12/11/2021 22:07, YTC#1 wrote:
> I've considerd the PSV licence thing.

Don't bother with coach driving (as opposed to bus driving) if your back
is anything other than perfect - as loading and unloading suitcases will
soon get you.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On 12/11/2021 14:41, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 9:14:15 AM UTC-5, Turby wrote:
>
>> When I retired, it hit me how few people in this world enjoy what
>> they do for a living.
>
> I'm sure that's true. And it's been true of my situation for chunks of my career. At the moment, I really like what I do, I really like the products in involved, I like my boss, and I like my company. I'm hoping that situation lasts a while...

I liked the work at the job two jobs ago, and most of the people, but my
team leader was a total fucking waste of space. I went through cycles of
looking for another job, failing to find one, and deciding I'd put up
with him a bit longer. Then I got made redundant and finished up in a
job I liked less with people I wasn't so keen on (but a Tiger 1050 as
consolation prize). Then I got made redundant from that and finished up
in the current job, which I like about as little as the last one but I
like the people a lot more (and a T120 as a consolation prize). I have a
year and a bit before I plan to retire so I'm not going to go
job-hunting again.

On 13/11/2021 01:56 Paul Carmichael penned these words:
> Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough". Having
> said that, I want a Cordoba C12 and can't afford it now.

L has got fed up with my usual riposte when she queries the cost of something.
"Some money" think it came from here. TBF we spend little now we have bike, car,
condo everything else is day to day expense. The big ones will be travel when
the restrictions end.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 12/11/2021 21:19 Mark Olson penned these words:
> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:41:48 +0000, Mark Olson escribió:
>
>>> Moral: Stop working. It's later than you think.
>>
>> Seconded. Unless you like working. I believe Neil enjoyed his work.
>
> A person is lucky if they can say they genuinely enjoy it.

My chargehand when I left my 1st proper job and that was one of the reasons.
"You're not supposed to enjoy work" even then I knew if I had to stick it for
40+ years best it was sometimes fun.

>
>> The above says more about pension funds thatn anything else. If you're
>> going to plough tons of money in, make sure it will provide for the
>> survivor.

My actual pensions only pay 1/2 to the survivor, which is I think normal if
downright cheeky. I am going to sell my house, stick it into ETF of one sort or
another and when I fall of my perch it should pass on easier.

> Of course I plan to work, just not work for a big company as a regular
> employee.

I did a bit for 12 months or so but since then it is all social stuff.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

In article <pan$7366c$d58245a0$b43580bd$6aebef78
@gmail.com>, Paul Carmichael says...
> Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has
> "enough".

This and hug the one you love.

In article <rnltogho0adml262tt0n7rj5pdpkl3aa2v@4ax.com>,
Champ says...

> And I'm currently learning to drive a bus.

Genuinely why?

On Friday, 12 November 2021 at 22:07:17 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 12/11/2021 21:07, Champ wrote:
> > On 12 Nov 2021 17:56:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough"
> >
> > <applause>
> >
> > I drive a truck for a couple of mornings a week. And I'm currently
> > learning to drive a bus. Turns out I don't need much money nowadays.
> > Life is so much relaxed than the last 5 years (at least) of my full-on
> > IT professional life
> >
> I've considerd the PSV licence thing.

I could understand a truck. But a bus?

Fuck that, I'd have to talk to people. Shudder.

On Saturday, 13 November 2021 at 02:02:01 UTC, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <rnltogho0adml262t...@4ax.com>,
> Champ says...
> > And I'm currently learning to drive a bus.
> Genuinely why?

I'm convinced it's a euphemism.

Champ wrote:

> > Life is short. Money doesn't matter as long as one has "enough"
>
> <applause>
>
> I drive a truck for a couple of mornings a week. And I'm currently
> learning to drive a bus.

I enjoy what I do - I always have. I liked driving trains and I like
working for the trade union.

There are still days where I think "I can't believe I get paid for
this" and then there are others where it's "this has the potential to
go horribly wrong and put us back decades - better put my big boy pants
on".

Still enjoy it though.

--
Simon