In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>(with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>date.
>>
>>It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>governments trying to cut costs before then...
>
>I'd lay money on it never going past brum.

They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
on at this site when I was there in the later summer:

<https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
bridge/>
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>> date.
>>>
>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>
>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>
> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>
> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
> bridge/>

Yes, I think the line will be completed as far as Crewe, albeit with a
further, deliberate delay. That would relieve the WCML all the way to
Crewe, and speed up services to many WCML destinations.

On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>(with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>date.
>>>
>>>It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>
>>>) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>
>>I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>
>They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>
> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>bridge/>

Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>> date.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>
>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>
>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>
>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>
>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>> bridge/>
>
> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>
>

The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
area for the extended line.

I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the country
that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be part of was
cancelled.

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:48:41 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is
>a
>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>
>>
>
>The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>area for the extended line.

I thought WW2 had more to do with it but no matter, they'd built quite a
lot of it before it was binned and some of it is still there in the fields.
You can also still see the stub tunnels beyond the buffers at edgware that
would gone under the road.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:48:41 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is
>> a
>>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>> area for the extended line.
>
> I thought WW2 had more to do with it but no matter, they'd built quite a
> lot of it before it was binned and some of it is still there in the fields.
> You can also still see the stub tunnels beyond the buffers at edgware that
> would gone under the road.
>

Yes, WW2 paused it, but it was intended to resume construction after the
War ended, like the Central Line extensions (although the western extension
to Denham was truncated to West Ruislip). But the need for the Northern
Line extension had gone by then, so construction did not resume.

In message <tumr45$3m789$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:41:25 on Mon, 13 Mar
2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>(with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>>duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>>date.
>>>>
>>>>It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>>Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached
>>>>(if at all
>>
>>>>) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>
>>>I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>
>>They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>
>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>bridge/>
>
>Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
>good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.

There's a lot more work been done in Warwickshire than just that bridge
(which had to be co-ordinated with temporarily closing the M42). I was
on the canal when I saw the preparations.
--
Roland Perry

On 13/03/2023 09:48, Recliner wrote:
> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>>> date.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>
>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>
>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>
>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>
>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>> bridge/>
>>
>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>
>>
>
> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
> area for the extended line.
>
> I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the country
> that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be part of was
> cancelled.
>

The bridge to nowhere in Reading was there for around 30 years before
someone find a use for it!
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:00:48 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:48:41 -0000 (UTC)
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>>>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is
>
>>> a
>>>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>>> area for the extended line.
>>
>> I thought WW2 had more to do with it but no matter, they'd built quite a
>> lot of it before it was binned and some of it is still there in the fields.
>> You can also still see the stub tunnels beyond the buffers at edgware that
>> would gone under the road.
>>
>
>Yes, WW2 paused it, but it was intended to resume construction after the
>War ended, like the Central Line extensions (although the western extension
>to Denham was truncated to West Ruislip). But the need for the Northern

Given denham was and still is a tiny village and they'd have had to widen
the viaduct or build a new one next to it I imagine the economics didn't add
up either even if new housing had been built there.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:00:48 -0000 (UTC)
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 09:48:41 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>>>>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is
>>
>>>> a
>>>>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>>>> area for the extended line.
>>>
>>> I thought WW2 had more to do with it but no matter, they'd built quite a
>>> lot of it before it was binned and some of it is still there in the fields.
>>> You can also still see the stub tunnels beyond the buffers at edgware that
>>> would gone under the road.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, WW2 paused it, but it was intended to resume construction after the
>> War ended, like the Central Line extensions (although the western extension
>> to Denham was truncated to West Ruislip). But the need for the Northern
>
> Given denham was and still is a tiny village and they'd have had to widen
> the viaduct or build a new one next to it I imagine the economics didn't add
> up either even if new housing had been built there.

<https://www.buckinghamshirelive.com/news/history/buckinghamshires-second-underground-line-never-6611751>

In message <tumt6s$3mr04$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:17:00 on Mon, 13 Mar
2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 13/03/2023 09:48, Recliner wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade
>>>>>>between OOC and Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston will
>>>>>>be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>>
>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>
>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>>> bridge/>
>>>
>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large
>>>bridge or viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North
>>>end of the M23 is a good example and the elstree extension of the
>>>northern line.
>>>
>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected
>>catchment area for the extended line.

>> I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the
>>country that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be
>>part of was cancelled.
>
>The bridge to nowhere in Reading was there for around 30 years before
>someone find a use for it!

Do you mean the hole in a new office building designed to take the
access road to a river bridge, which was never constructed because the
Oxfordshire and Reading councils couldn't agree who would pay for the
bridge?

Alternatively there was the bridge at the then-end of the A329(M) over
the A4, which was eventually put to its intended purpose of a spur to
the Thames Valley business park. The developer for which promised to
fund a new station on the GWML ("Reading East", or whatever) and to
no-one's surprise (other than the gullible local planning department)
changed their mind later.
--
Roland Perry

On 13/03/2023 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tumt6s$3mr04$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:17:00 on Mon, 13 Mar
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 13/03/2023 09:48, Recliner wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>> <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be
>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit
>>>>>>>> of a lame
>>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the
>>>>>>>> airport).
>>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed
>>>>>>>> station, to
>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade
>>>>>>> between OOC and  Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be
>>>>>>> reached (if at all
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>>>> bridge/>
>>>>
>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large
>>>> bridge or  viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North
>>>> end of the M23 is a  good example and the elstree extension of the
>>>> northern line.
>>>>
>>>  The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected
>>> catchment  area for the extended line.
>
>>>  I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the
>>> country  that never got used, because the road schemes they were to
>>> be part of was  cancelled.
>>
>> The bridge to nowhere in Reading was there for around 30 years before
>> someone find a use for it!
>
> Do you mean the hole in a new office building designed to take the
> access road to a river bridge, which was never constructed because the
> Oxfordshire and Reading councils couldn't agree who would pay for the
> bridge?
>
> Alternatively there was the bridge at the then-end of the A329(M) over
> the A4, which was eventually put to its intended purpose of a spur to
> the Thames Valley business park. The developer for which promised to
> fund a new station on the GWML ("Reading East", or whatever) and to
> no-one's surprise (other than the gullible local planning department)
> changed their mind later.

The second.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>>> date.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>
>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>
>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>
>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>
>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>> bridge/>
>>
>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>
>>
>
> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
> area for the extended line.
>
> I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the country
> that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be part of was
> cancelled.

E.g. <https://maps.app.goo.gl/7cT5pobv23DHUUvbA?g_st=ic>

Sam

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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 13/03/2023 09:48, Recliner wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>>
>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>
>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>>> bridge/>
>>>
>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
>>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>> area for the extended line.
>>
>> I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the country
>> that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be part of was
>> cancelled.
>>
>
> The bridge to nowhere in Reading was there for around 30 years before
> someone find a use for it!

Glasgow has had several bridges to nowhere:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_Bridge_to_Nowhere> Oddly this one
doesn’t seem to have attracted the popular soubriquet:
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/7cT5pobv23DHUUvbA?g_st=ic>

Sam

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:38:14 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>>
>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>
>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>>> bridge/>
>>>
>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
>>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>> area for the extended line.
>>
>> I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the country
>> that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be part of was
>> cancelled.
>
>E.g. <https://maps.app.goo.gl/7cT5pobv23DHUUvbA?g_st=ic>
>

I was thinking more of a short stretch of elevated road (or bridge) unconnected to working roads at both ends.

In message <tun1js$3o74b$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:32:12 on Mon, 13 Mar
2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 13/03/2023 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <tumt6s$3mr04$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:17:00 on Mon, 13 Mar
>>2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 13/03/2023 09:48, Recliner wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>>><roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will
>>>>>>>>>be built
>>>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit
>>>>>>>>>of a lame
>>>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the
>>>>>>>>>airport).
>>>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed
>>>>>>>>>station, to
>>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade
>>>>>>>>between OOC and  Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>>>>will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-b
>>>>>> bridge/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large
>>>>>bridge or  viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used.
>>>>>North end of the M23 is a  good example and the elstree extension
>>>>>of the northern line.
>>>>>
>>>>  The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected
>>>>catchment  area for the extended line.
>>
>>>>  I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the
>>>>country  that never got used, because the road schemes they were to
>>>>be part of was  cancelled.
>>>
>>> The bridge to nowhere in Reading was there for around 30 years
>>>before someone find a use for it!

>> Do you mean the hole in a new office building designed to take the
>>access road to a river bridge, which was never constructed because the
>>Oxfordshire and Reading councils couldn't agree who would pay for the
>>bridge?

>> Alternatively there was the bridge at the then-end of the A329(M)
>>over the A4, which was eventually put to its intended purpose of a
>>spur to the Thames Valley business park. The developer for which
>>promised to fund a new station on the GWML ("Reading East", or
>>whatever) and to no-one's surprise (other than the gullible local
>>planning department) changed their mind later.
>
>The second.

Fair enough, but was it really there unused for as long as 30yrs?

Built in 1974 I suspect, and connected up when. I'll ask a local and get
back to you.
--
Roland Perry

In message <sWClUCecczDkFA2Y@perry.uk>, at 14:45:48 on Mon, 13 Mar 2023,
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:
>In message <tun1js$3o74b$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:32:12 on Mon, 13 Mar
>2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>On 13/03/2023 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <tumt6s$3mr04$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:17:00 on Mon, 13
>>>Mar 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 13/03/2023 09:48, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>>>><roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a
>>>>>>>>>>bit of a lame
>>>>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed
>>>>>>>>>>station, to
>>>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade
>>>>>>>>>between OOC and  Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>>>>>will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-b
>>>>>>> bridge/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large
>>>>>>bridge or  viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used.
>>>>>>North end of the M23 is a  good example and the elstree extension
>>>>>>of the northern line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>  The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected
>>>>>catchment  area for the extended line.
>>>
>>>>>  I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around
>>>>>the country  that never got used, because the road schemes they
>>>>>were to be part of was  cancelled.
>>>>
>>>> The bridge to nowhere in Reading was there for around 30 years
>>>>before someone find a use for it!
>
>>> Do you mean the hole in a new office building designed to take the
>>>access road to a river bridge, which was never constructed because
>>>the Oxfordshire and Reading councils couldn't agree who would pay for
>>>the bridge?
>
>>> Alternatively there was the bridge at the then-end of the A329(M)
>>>over the A4, which was eventually put to its intended purpose of a
>>>spur to the Thames Valley business park. The developer for which
>>>promised to fund a new station on the GWML ("Reading East", or
>>>whatever) and to no-one's surprise (other than the gullible local
>>>planning department) changed their mind later.
>>
>>The second.
>
>Fair enough, but was it really there unused for as long as 30yrs?
>
>Built in 1974 I suspect, and connected up when. I'll ask a local and
>get back to you.

Narrowed it down to between 1987 and 1991.
--
Roland Perry

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:38:14 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>>>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>>>
>>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>>>> bridge/>
>>>>
>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>>>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
>>>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>>> area for the extended line.
>>>
>>> I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the country
>>> that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be part of was
>>> cancelled.
>>
>> E.g. <https://maps.app.goo.gl/7cT5pobv23DHUUvbA?g_st=ic>
>>
>
> I was thinking more of a short stretch of elevated road (or bridge)
> unconnected to working roads at both ends.

Errm? That’s clearly not connected at one end and is barriered at the
other. How unconnected to you want it to be?

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:38:14 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit of a lame
>>>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed station, to
>>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade between OOC and
>>>>>>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be reached (if at all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-box-rail-
>>>>>> bridge/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large bridge or
>>>>> viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used. North end of the M23 is a
>>>>> good example and the elstree extension of the northern line.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>>>> area for the extended line.
>>>>
>>>> I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the country
>>>> that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be part of was
>>>> cancelled.
>>>
>>> E.g. <https://maps.app.goo.gl/7cT5pobv23DHUUvbA?g_st=ic>
>>>
>>
>> I was thinking more of a short stretch of elevated road (or bridge)
>> unconnected to working roads at both ends.
>
> Errm? That’s clearly not connected at one end and is barriered at the
> other. How unconnected to you want it to be?
>

A completely separate structure from any operational roads. For example, a
bridge over a railway or highway, but with no roads yet connected at either
end (or previously connected roads now demolished). A railway example might
be the new HS2 bridge over the M42 which probably won't have a railway
connection for quite a few years yet. Even the viaducts might be a long way
off.

On 13/03/2023 14:45, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tun1js$3o74b$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:32:12 on Mon, 13 Mar
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 13/03/2023 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <tumt6s$3mr04$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:17:00 on Mon, 13 Mar
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 13/03/2023 09:48, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12
>>>>>>> Mar
>>>>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>>>> <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will
>>>>>>>>>> be  built
>>>>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a bit
>>>>>>>>>> of a lame
>>>>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the
>>>>>>>>>> airport).
>>>>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed
>>>>>>>>>> station, to
>>>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade
>>>>>>>>> between OOC and  Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be
>>>>>>>>> reached (if at all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-b
>>>>>>>  bridge/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large
>>>>>> bridge or  viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used.
>>>>>> North  end of the M23 is a  good example and the elstree extension
>>>>>> of the  northern line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>  The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected
>>>>> catchment  area for the extended line.
>>>
>>>>>  I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the
>>>>> country  that never got used, because the road schemes they were to
>>>>> be part of was  cancelled.
>>>>
>>>> The bridge to nowhere in Reading was there for around 30 years
>>>> before  someone find a use for it!
>
>>>  Do you mean the hole in a new office building designed to take the
>>> access road to a river bridge, which was never constructed because
>>> the Oxfordshire and Reading councils couldn't agree who would pay for
>>> the bridge?
>
>>>  Alternatively there was the bridge at the then-end of the A329(M)
>>> over  the A4, which was eventually put to its intended purpose of a
>>> spur to  the Thames Valley business park. The developer for which
>>> promised to  fund a new station on the GWML ("Reading East", or
>>> whatever) and to  no-one's surprise (other than the gullible local
>>> planning department)  changed their mind later.
>>
>> The second.
>
> Fair enough, but was it really there unused for as long as 30yrs?
>
> Built in 1974 I suspect, and connected up when. I'll ask a local and get
> back to you.

Seemed like it anyway! It was unfinished when I left Reading in 1978
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 13/03/2023 16:18, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <sWClUCecczDkFA2Y@perry.uk>, at 14:45:48 on Mon, 13 Mar 2023,
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:
>> In message <tun1js$3o74b$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:32:12 on Mon, 13 Mar
>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 13/03/2023 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <tumt6s$3mr04$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:17:00 on Mon, 13
>>>> Mar 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 13/03/2023 09:48, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun,
>>>>>>>> 12 Mar
>>>>>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>>>>> <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will
>>>>>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit of a lame
>>>>>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the
>>>>>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed
>>>>>>>>>>> station, to
>>>>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade
>>>>>>>>>> between OOC and  Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be
>>>>>>>>>> reached (if at all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>>>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>>>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-b
>>>>>>>>  bridge/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large
>>>>>>> bridge or  viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used.
>>>>>>> North  end of the M23 is a  good example and the elstree
>>>>>>> extension of the  northern line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected
>>>>>> catchment  area for the extended line.
>>>>
>>>>>>  I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around
>>>>>> the country  that never got used, because the road schemes they
>>>>>> were to be part of was  cancelled.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bridge to nowhere in Reading was there for around 30 years
>>>>> before  someone find a use for it!
>>
>>>>  Do you mean the hole in a new office building designed to take the
>>>> access road to a river bridge, which was never constructed because
>>>> the Oxfordshire and Reading councils couldn't agree who would pay
>>>> for the bridge?
>>
>>>>  Alternatively there was the bridge at the then-end of the A329(M)
>>>> over  the A4, which was eventually put to its intended purpose of a
>>>> spur to  the Thames Valley business park. The developer for which
>>>> promised to  fund a new station on the GWML ("Reading East", or
>>>> whatever) and to  no-one's surprise (other than the gullible local
>>>> planning department)  changed their mind later.
>>>
>>> The second.
>>
>> Fair enough, but was it really there unused for as long as 30yrs?
>>
>> Built in 1974 I suspect, and connected up when. I'll ask a local and
>> get back to you.
>
> Narrowed it down to between 1987 and 1991.

Nearer 15 than 30 years then! Just seemed a lot longer. I moved to
Reading in 1975 and the onto Southampton in 78. I worked quite a lot out
of an office in the civic centre in the 1980s and it was still in mid-air.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message <tunjp7$3rh6e$5@dont-email.me>, at 16:42:15 on Mon, 13 Mar
2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:38:14 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 18:33:34 +0000
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tuktv7$34pr3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:17:43 on Sun, 12 Mar
>>>>>>> 2023, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:32:36 +0000
>>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 06:14:10 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>>>>>>><roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I've long said I seriously doubt Birmingham Interchange will be built
>>>>>>>>>> (with the cuts to the overall scope of the network, it's a
>>>>>>>>>>bit of a lame
>>>>>>>>>> duck, unless reduced to a couple of platforms to serve the airport).
>>>>>>>>>> Curzon St, on the other hand, is probably the most completed
>>>>>>>>>>station, to
>>>>>>>>>> date.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It looks like the line is now set to open in about a decade
>>>>>>>>>between OOC and
>>>>>>>>> Curzon St, via Interchange. Crewe and Euston
>>>>>>>>> will be at least two years behind, and Manchester won't be
>>>>>>>>>reached (if at all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ) till the 2040s. There will be a lot more
>>>>>>>>> governments trying to cut costs before then...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd lay money on it never going past brum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are already building the line from Brum to Crewe, although I
>>>>>>> suppose they could abandon it half-completed. There was a lot going
>>>>>>> on at this site when I was there in the later summer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/viaducts-and-bridges/marston-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bridge/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't know that. Though it wouldn't be the first time a large
>>>>>>bridge or viaduct has been abandoned without ever being used.
>>>>>>North end of the M23 is a good example and the elstree extension
>>>>>>of the northern line.
>>>>>
>>>>> The latter was because the new Green Belt removed the expected catchment
>>>>> area for the extended line.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there are short bits of orphaned elevated roads around the country
>>>>> that never got used, because the road schemes they were to be part of was
>>>>> cancelled.
>>>>
>>>> E.g. <https://maps.app.goo.gl/7cT5pobv23DHUUvbA?g_st=ic>
>>>
>>> I was thinking more of a short stretch of elevated road (or bridge)
>>> unconnected to working roads at both ends.
>>
>> Errm? That’s clearly not connected at one end and is barriered at the
>> other. How unconnected to you want it to be?
>
>A completely separate structure from any operational roads. For example, a
>bridge over a railway or highway, but with no roads yet connected at either
>end (or previously connected roads now demolished). A railway example might
>be the new HS2 bridge over the M42 which probably won't have a railway
>connection for quite a few years yet. Even the viaducts might be a long way
>off.

But all of that only qualifies if unconnected ever(FSVO) rather than
just delayed a few years.
--
Roland Perry

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ee4d716a-cc04-11ed-adc8-dcfa63cb4163?shareToken=981bc30a3acca1de0faf0376a71c5e6b

I noted that, on TV interviews yesterday, Michael Gove was careful not to
commit to HS2 ever getting to Euston.