On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 22:02:54 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 31/8/21 9:11 am:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:56:34 -0700 (PDT), "banerjee...@gmail.com"
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 07:01:21 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 03:05:14 -0700 (PDT),
>>>> "banerjee...@gmail.com" <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Corse not given how comprehensively it fucked over China.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can take the minor losses. They sent infected people
>>>>> abroad, deliberately to spread the disease abroad. Of that
>>>>> there is no doubt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One cannot adopt a particular stance on any objective
>>>>>>>> basis for there are emotional issues presented with
>>>>>>>> throwaway figures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They aren't throwaway figures.
>>>>>
>>>>> All figures not verified are just that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Rod your objectionist arguments well worth reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> His usual estab. propaganda rubbish, expressed rudely.
>>>>>
>>>> Welcome to a Rod Speed reply. He just tells it as he see's it.
>>>
>>> He is a lying arsehole, and so a worthy rep of the corrupt
>>> establishments. His rudeness may appear to some as manifestation of
>>> honesty.
>>>
>> He does troll if you insult him
>
>I don't think 'troll' is the right word ... but he can certainly get
>argumentative if he disagrees with you!!
>
>> He is however very knowledgeable
>
>He may or may not be .... but certainly argumentative! Or should that
>be 'Forceful'??
>
I like Rod Speed, he hasn't changed since I started reading his posts
in the 1990's
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> I like Rod Speed,

Then you should move in with him...ASAP!

> he hasn't changed since I started reading his posts in
> the 1990's

Yep. He was a typical anger management disorder case then, as he is now.
His had managed to convince himself very early on in the game of his own
infallible superiority over each and every other poster in Usenet and
claimed exclusive possession of unlimited knowledge of everything there
was to know in the Universe and that had not changed since.

Not surprisingly that is what enamours you, as you imagine how nice it
would be if you could do the same.

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Fully descriptive of your intentions.

> Mark Latham has ...

....been (and still is) an anger management failure basket case w/o any
real ideology or self-discipline beyond limitless narcissism and
opportunism. He is as meaningless as his pathetic tilt at becoming a
relevant far right shock jock.

> Voting Coalition, ...

....and...

> ... One Nation is like eating shit because you ...

....hate your socially responsible fellow citizens.
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- All septic trash trolls from that never been great US of A,
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On 31/08/2021 10:02 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Petzl wrote on 31/8/21 9:11 am:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:56:34 -0700 (PDT), "banerjee...@gmail.com"
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 07:01:21 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 03:05:14 -0700 (PDT),
>>>> "banerjee...@gmail.com" <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Corse not given how comprehensively it fucked over China.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can take the minor losses. They sent infected people
>>>>> abroad, deliberately to spread the disease abroad. Of that
>>>>> there is no doubt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One cannot adopt a particular stance on any objective
>>>>>>>> basis for there are emotional issues presented with
>>>>>>>> throwaway figures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They aren't throwaway figures.
>>>>>
>>>>> All figures not verified are just that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Rod your objectionist arguments well worth reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> His usual estab. propaganda rubbish, expressed rudely.
>>>>>
>>>> Welcome to a Rod Speed reply. He just tells it as he see's it.
>>>
>>> He is a lying arsehole, and so a worthy rep of the corrupt
>>> establishments. His rudeness may appear to some as manifestation of
>>> honesty.
>>>
>> He does troll if you insult him
>
> I don't think 'troll' is the right word ... but he can certainly get
> argumentative if he disagrees with you!!
>
>> He is however very knowledgeable
>
> He may or may not be .... but certainly argumentative! Or should that
> be 'Forceful'??

He's in the 'may not be' category.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 22:30:03 GMT, Ördög, posted:-

> Petz
> / This post was AI autocleaned to remove some virulent retarded troll
> poster inputs /
>
> /snip more manually/
>
> > I like Rod Speed,
>
> Then you should move in with him...ASAP!
>
> > he hasn't changed since I started reading his posts in
> > the 1990's
>
> Yep. He was a typical anger management disorder case then, as he is
> now. His had managed to convince himself very early on in the game of
> his own infallible superiority over each and every other poster in
> Usenet and claimed exclusive possession of unlimited knowledge of
> everything there was to know in the Universe and that had not changed
> since.
>
> Not surprisingly that is what enamours you, as you imagine how nice
> it would be if you could do the same.
>
Rod can't stand fools like you. That gets up your nose, like your sock
puppet's "snorts" when she is on cocaine.

Yes, you are one losing wog maggot.

On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 23:05:11 UTC+10, banerjee...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 21:57:26 UTC+10, Daniel65 wrote:
> > %% wrote on 30/8/21 9:48 pm:
> > > banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > >> petzl wrote
> > >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> > >>>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <Snip>
> >
> > >>> >> Is Covid biowarfare or not?
> >
> > <Rumour-mung!! Rumour-mung!!>
> >
> > Yes!! Bug developed in U.S. of A. Military Laboratories.
> Bites them most.
> >
> > U.s. of A Military Scientists then attended Military World Olympic-type
> > Games in Wyhaung (or whatever) China, in Sept-Oct-Nov 2019.
> >
> > Given tours of Chinese Military Labs in area.
> >
> > Left 'samples' behind! AWAY WE GO!!
> >
> > That's why the Virus was first detected in China!
> > >>> > Corse not given how comprehensively it fucked over China.
> > Because that was where it was released!!
> > >> They can take the minor losses.
> > >
> > > Every country can.
> > >
> > >> They sent infected people abroad, deliberately to
> > >> spread the disease abroad. Of that there is no doubt.
> > Not 'sent infected people abroad' but 'Let infected people abroad'!
> Same thing. They should not have let them go. So effectively they sent them with full knowledge and cooperation of their crook allies in the health and political rackets. Or rather, disease and criminal rackets. Trump had to go at any cost. Chap was bent on increasing tariffs and making America great. Now that would not do for the traders and their associated parasites, so pandemic ho!

Consequences of public folly in electing crazies and babblers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNWjXYHz2u0

On Wednesday, 1 September 2021 at 06:06:27 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Daniel65 wrote
> >> %% wrote
> >> > banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> petzl wrote
> >> >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> <Snip>
> >>
> >> >>> >> Is Covid biowarfare or not?
> >>
> >> <Rumour-mung!! Rumour-mung!!>
> >>
> >> Yes!! Bug developed in U.S. of A. Military Laboratories.
> >
> > Bites them most.
> >>
> >> U.s. of A Military Scientists then attended Military World Olympic-type
> >> Games in Wyhaung (or whatever) China, in Sept-Oct-Nov 2019.
> >>
> >> Given tours of Chinese Military Labs in area.
> >>
> >> Left 'samples' behind! AWAY WE GO!!
> >>
> >> That's why the Virus was first detected in China!
> >> >>> > Corse not given how comprehensively it fucked over China.
> >> Because that was where it was released!!
> >> >> They can take the minor losses.
> >> >
> >> > Every country can.
> >> >
> >> >> They sent infected people abroad, deliberately to
> >> >> spread the disease abroad. Of that there is no doubt.
>
> >> Not 'sent infected people abroad' but 'Let infected people abroad'!
>
> > Same thing.
> Nope.
Yes.
> > They should not have let them go.
> They had no choice on that given that the vast bulk
> of them were foreigners there for chinese new year.

Rubbish. They let them go all over the world after they knew they were infected.
So they are the ones who spread the disease knowingly.
And that is biological warfare, done with full complicity of their fellow racketeers.

> > So effectively they sent them with full knowledge and cooperation
> > of their crook allies in the health and political rackets.
> More of your utterly mindless conspiracy theory bullshit.

Rubbish. It is a matter of fact that knowingly they let infected people leave their country.
That is criminal.
Only blithering idiots or propagandists can deny this.

> > Or rather, disease and criminal rackets.
> More of your utterly mindless conspiracy theory bullshit.

Rubbish, the better is known how criminal elites rule, the healthier and better off the world will be.
Can't do much now, except get vaccinated, but the need to elect good people to power is paramount.
People have to vote with great care. Good honest people must not avoid politics. They should ensure that the Faucis and Tedros types do not get top positions.

> > Trump had to go at any cost. Chap was bent on increasing
> > tariffs and making America great. Now that would not do
> > for the traders and their associated parasites, so pandemic ho!

How very clear and correct!

> More of your utterly mindless conspiracy theory bullshit.

Not at all. They only way the Chinese and Democrats could get rid of Trump was by creating a pandemic, which they did. Without the pandemic he would have won easily.

It is all about getting cheap good from China, to sell with profit elsewhere.
The Chinese make them, the Democrats (twin headed feudals, mega billionaires at one end and pampered parasites on the other end, with sinecured cheapos in between) need them.
Trump - representing the employment-seekers and those making stuff locally - was raising tariffs, so hurting the ChiDem. The pulled out all the stops. And succeeded.

What is a mere pandemic compared to the evils the western elites normally do - start or foment wars, create invasions, support the genocidal creeps like Pol Pot, GFC...
The designer virus is after all done to kill the old and weak, poor and the non-elites. The elites can enjoy in their palaces and break the rules happily. Well it did work until it started mutating.

Calling facts conspiracy theories is the work of the propagandist, or a blithering idiot.

> >>> Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
>
> > Rude pest and blind fool.
> Spot on, actually.
Good, acknowledging such knowledge about yourself, so kindly imparted by me, will do you good.
Hope yet for Rod.

On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 04:18:03 UTC+10, %% wrote:
> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > petzl wrote
> >> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> petzl wrote
> >> >>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >
> >> >>> >> >> The problem with socialism is that you
> >> >>> >> >> eventually run out of other people's money.
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >Socialism is a much misunderstood term.
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> Here it is explained
> >> >>> >> here is no difference between communism and socialism,
> >> >>> >> except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> >> >>> >> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote..
> >> >>> >> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
> >> >>> >> #Margaret Thatcher
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >That does not explain why Hitler as socialist very bitterly attacked
> >> >>> >Stalin the communist.
> >> >>> >One may think these are vastly different systems.
> >> >>> >One difference is that socialism is not atheistic unlike communism.
> >> >>> >Similarity is that they are both supportive of the middle classes,
> >> >>> >communism more extremely so.
> >> >>> The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt
> >> >>> Europe
> >> >
> >> >> Nazism means National Socialism.
> >> >
> >> >The name means nothing with the krauts, viz the GDR which was never
> >> >anything even remotely like democratic or even a republic either.

Wrong, they took both nationalism and socialism very seriously in their own way.
>
> > Nationalism has nothing to do with democracy.
> Never said it did. Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
Who cares what you said. I have some time so am bothering to reply to some old crap you posted to show what crap it is.
> > The Nazis were nationalistic to a great fault.
> Yes.
> > They made many socialistic advances like less work hours,
> That’s not what socialism is about.
Didn't say it was. It is a socialistic outcome, being pro-worker.
Socialism is about being pro-worker, and pro-society.
As opposed to making profits for the investors as top priority.
>
> > worker benefits
>
> And neither is that.
Of course worker benefits is socialistic.
Capitalists cut down on worker benefits to the minimum level.
All worker benefits have come from socialism, from trade unions, good business leaders, political stances.
>
> > and emphasis on research.
>
> And that in spades.

Which is what Hitler did for his huge socio-economic progress.

> > They made cars for the people and autobahn.
> And the state did both, not private industry, that’s socialism.

One aspect, yes.

> > They were more authoritarian than democratic,
> > certainly, for they were fascists.
> And didn’t bother with elections once adolf was driving the bus.

They were unnecessary as Hitler was so popular. He did so well with his policies that even many British admired him.
> My comment about democracy was about the word democratic in the GDR title..

All communist countries were and are democratic, just had and have one party.
Their idea of democracy is different to the west which has multi-party democracy meaning one set of swine at the trough over a limited period till another lot takes over.

> >> >> They were socialists.
> >> >
> >> >Yep, in fact more socialist than anyone else in europe at the time.
> >> >
> >> >> Long before Hitler attacked USSR communists
> >> >> they were fighting the home grown communists.
> >> >
> >> >They did indeed and always understood the difference
> >> >between socialism and communism.
> >> >
> >> >>> that embraced social welfare programs.
> >> >
> >> >> Hitler built up Germany from ruins
> >> >
> >> >It wasn’t really in ruins when he got to drive the bus.
> >
> > It was in a terrible state.
> But not in ruins.

So many countries are not in ruins but do not make such progress as Germany did.
Like, India and other thirdworld countries.
They have a lot to learn from the methods underlying Hitler's progress.
Read what he wrote about it, for starters. I will see if I can find what he actually wrote.
What others say
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/de-drittes-reich-economy.htm

> > Huge unemployment, high inflation, very weak, loser attitude...
> That last is wrong.

Till Hitler they did did have a loser attitude because of the other ills mentioned. They did not know what to do. Hitler changed that loser attitude with nationalistic slogans and racism.
>
> > Hitler changed it miraculously.
>
> No miraculous about it, the same way FDR did
> it in the USA, massive govt deficit spending.

No. Hitler explains exactly what he did. He gave primary consideration to research. He created a situation where there had to be really meaningful employment where actual things of benefit to society would be conceived and created. In short he used the intelligence and hard work of the Germans to make wealth. He put into practice the Adam Smith dictum, wealth comes from labour. Not from getting loans and wasting them, the third world custom. Not wasting money upon clever parasites, the first world custom. Just creativity and hard work in an united and organised manner.

> > Which is probably why the Germans fought for him so hard.

> Nope, essentially because they agreed with his military
> adventurism once it became clear that it was working
> so well.

Hitler had enough support till the very end.
He did make many mistakes, so he lost.
Attacking and occupying Poland was a mistake, just as it was a mistake for Saddam to occupy Kuwait.
Had Hitler stopped after his initial victories and consolidated the gains, he would have lasted longer.
> And then once the shit had hit the fan, they knew what
> the russians would do to them if they didn’t fight so hard.

They could all have surrendered, as in fact the Germans did in Stalingrad. And the way the Afghan Army surrendered to the Taliban. But they did not, kept on fighting till the last.

> >>> But yes he revived the economy very effectively indeed,
> >>> the same way FDR did in the USA, with massive govt
> >>> deficit spending, socialism in anyone's language.

No, that is not socialism as such. Socialism is about state involvement in national affairs relating to overall socio-economic development, not just blind spending.
It was the WW2 spending on military that raised US out of depression.
Public spending was approved and done, people were energised and united and so created wealth from brains and hard work.
Which is why wars are so popular with the US. Military spending creates jobs, moves the economy, unites.
Invasion is thus a political necessity for them, keeps them focused and united.
>
> > He emphasised the creativity from research and went
> > for employment generation, a socialist exercise.
> Only when it’s the govt doing it and it wasn’t with research.

Jolly well it was with research. Hitler emphasized it. He writes about it very clearly.

> Germany has always been into lots of research once it became Germany.
> > Very different from just throwing money to the parasites
> > at the top and the bottom, the way it is done these days.
> That’s mindless bullshit too, most obviously with the brilliant
> research that got the covid vaccines ready so quickly.

The work from India and Russia, both deriving from altruistic socialism, has been truly brilliant.
For the rest, they already knew a lot about the virus, since they spread it so well.
So making the vaccine was no big deal.
it is all about making money for the medical racketeers and their allies, by creating a pandemic. Which is better than a world war, one must say.

All the bills for vaccines, the testing, etc. have to be paid.
Who gains from that?
Who loses from that?
Evidently, the future of very many will be stunted for the fattening of the mega-billionaires exacting interest from the loans to the governments.
No hope except pizza delivery and walmart.
And that too under threat from robots.

> > Hitler emphasised that hard work and
> > creativity was involved in real socialism,

banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Daniel65 wrote
>> >> %% wrote
>> >> > banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> petzl wrote
>> >> >>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> <Snip>
>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Is Covid biowarfare or not?
>> >>
>> >> <Rumour-mung!! Rumour-mung!!>
>> >>
>> >> Yes!! Bug developed in U.S. of A. Military Laboratories.
>> >
>> > Bites them most.
>> >>
>> >> U.s. of A Military Scientists then attended Military World
>> >> Olympic-type
>> >> Games in Wyhaung (or whatever) China, in Sept-Oct-Nov 2019.
>> >>
>> >> Given tours of Chinese Military Labs in area.
>> >>
>> >> Left 'samples' behind! AWAY WE GO!!
>> >>
>> >> That's why the Virus was first detected in China!
>> >> >>> > Corse not given how comprehensively it fucked over China.
>> >> Because that was where it was released!!
>> >> >> They can take the minor losses.
>> >> >
>> >> > Every country can.
>> >> >
>> >> >> They sent infected people abroad, deliberately to
>> >> >> spread the disease abroad. Of that there is no doubt.
>>
>> >> Not 'sent infected people abroad' but 'Let infected people abroad'!
>>
>> > Same thing.

>> Nope.

> Yes.

Nope.

>> > They should not have let them go.

>> They had no choice on that given that the vast bulk
>> of them were foreigners there for chinese new year.

> Rubbish.

Fact.

> They let them go all over the world after they knew they were infected.

More of your bare faced lies.

> So they are the ones who spread the disease knowingly.

More of your bare faced lies.

> And that is biological warfare,

More of your bare faced lies.

> done with full complicity of their fellow racketeers.

More of your bare faced lies.

>> > So effectively they sent them with full knowledge and cooperation
>> > of their crook allies in the health and political rackets.

>> More of your utterly mindless conspiracy theory bullshit.

> Rubbish. It is a matter of fact that knowingly
> they let infected people leave their country.

That’s bullshit.

> That is criminal.
> Only blithering idiots or propagandists can deny this.

More mindless bullshit. Just like your other stupid conspiracy theory shit.

>> > Or rather, disease and criminal rackets.

>> More of your utterly mindless conspiracy theory bullshit.

> Rubbish, the better is known how criminal elites rule,

More mindless bullshit. Just like your other stupid conspiracy theory shit.

> the healthier and better off the world will be.

> Can't do much now, except get vaccinated,

You are still free to isolate.

> but the need to elect good people to power is paramount.

Trouble is that no good people are actually stupid enough to want the job.

> People have to vote with great care.

Not even possible when no good people
are actually stupid enough to want the
job and there is no chance that enough
will ever vote for them anyway. Most
voters are rusted on for life.

> Good honest people must not avoid politics.

They aren't stupid enough to get involved in politics.

> They should ensure that the Faucis and
> Tedros types do not get top positions.

More mindless bullshit with Fauci. He's as good
as you are ever going to get involved in politics.

>> > Trump had to go at any cost. Chap was bent on increasing
>> > tariffs and making America great. Now that would not do
>> > for the traders and their associated parasites, so pandemic ho!

> How very clear and correct!

If you are going to suck your own dick, do that in private.

>> More of your utterly mindless conspiracy theory bullshit.

> Not at all. They only way the Chinese and Democrats could
> get rid of Trump was by creating a pandemic, which they did.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
drunken psychotic conspiracy theory fantasys.

> Without the pandemic he would have won easily.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> It is all about getting cheap good from
> China, to sell with profit elsewhere.

> The Chinese make them, the Democrats (twin
> headed feudals, mega billionaires at one end

In fact sweet fuck all Democrats are involved
in selling any cheap chinese goods.

Even Tim Cook only flogs expensive chinese made goods.

> and pampered parasites on the other end, with
> sinecured cheapos in between) need them.

Fuck all Democrats involved in that stuff too.

> Trump - representing the employment-seekers
> and those making stuff locally - was raising
> tariffs, so hurting the ChiDem.

No such animal.

> The pulled out all the stops. And succeeded.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
drunken psychotic conspiracy theory fantasys.

> What is a mere pandemic compared to the evils the
> western elites normally do - start or foment wars,

Corse none of you curry munchers ever do anything like that, eh ?

> create invasions,

Corse none of you curry munchers ever do anything like that, eh ?

> support the genocidal creeps like Pol Pot, GFC...

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
drunken psychotic conspiracy theory fantasys.

> The designer virus

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
drunken psychotic conspiracy theory fantasys.

> is after all done to kill the old and weak,

Why would they be stupid enough to target those deliberately ?

> poor and the non-elites. The elites can enjoy in their palaces and
> break the rules happily. Well it did work until it started mutating.

All viruses mutate. stupid. And if it was designed, it would
have been easy to design it to mutate much more slowly.

> Calling facts

You wouldn’t know what a real fact was if if bit you on your lard arse.

> conspiracy theories is the work of the propagandist, or a blithering
> idiot.

Nope, someone who has enough of a clue to recognise
a mindless conspiracy theory when they see one.

>> >>> Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 04:18:03 UTC+10, %% wrote:
>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > petzl wrote
>> >> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> petzl wrote
>> >> >>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> The problem with socialism is that you
>> >> >>> >> >> eventually run out of other people's money.
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >Socialism is a much misunderstood term.
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> Here it is explained
>> >> >>> >> here is no difference between communism and socialism,
>> >> >>> >> except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
>> >> >>> >> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by
>> >> >>> >> vote.
>> >> >>> >> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
>> >> >>> >> #Margaret Thatcher
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >That does not explain why Hitler as socialist very bitterly
>> >> >>> >attacked
>> >> >>> >Stalin the communist.
>> >> >>> >One may think these are vastly different systems.
>> >> >>> >One difference is that socialism is not atheistic unlike
>> >> >>> >communism.
>> >> >>> >Similarity is that they are both supportive of the middle
>> >> >>> >classes,
>> >> >>> >communism more extremely so.
>> >> >>> The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt
>> >> >>> Europe
>> >> >
>> >> >> Nazism means National Socialism.
>> >> >
>> >> >The name means nothing with the krauts, viz the GDR which was never
>> >> >anything even remotely like democratic or even a republic either.
>
> Wrong,

Nope.

> they took both nationalism and socialism very seriously in their own way.

But was never anything even remotely like democratic or even a republic
either.

>> > Nationalism has nothing to do with democracy.

>> Never said it did. Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

> Who cares what you said. I have some time so am bothering
> to reply to some old crap you posted to show what crap it is.

We'll see...

And you clearly do care what I said.

>>> The Nazis were nationalistic to a great fault.

>> Yes.

>>> They made many socialistic advances like less work hours,

>> That’s not what socialism is about.

> Didn't say it was.

You clearly did when you used the words socialistic advances.

> It is a socialistic outcome, being pro-worker.

That’s not what socialism is about, most obviously with unions.

> Socialism is about being pro-worker, and pro-society.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Its actually about
having stuff done by govt instead of private industry.

> As opposed to making profits for the investors as top priority.

Utterly mangled all over again.

>>> worker benefits

>> And neither is that.

> Of course worker benefits is socialistic.

Wrong, most obviously with unions.

> Capitalists cut down on worker benefits to the minimum level.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> All worker benefits have come from socialism,

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> from trade unions, good business leaders, political stances.

None of which are socialism.

>>> and emphasis on research.

>> And that in spades.

> Which is what Hitler did for his
> huge socio-economic progress.

And his govt doing that is socialism, stupid.

>>> They made cars for the people and autobahn.

>> And the state did both, not private industry, that’s socialism.

> One aspect, yes.

>>> They were more authoritarian than democratic,
>>> certainly, for they were fascists.

>> And didn’t bother with elections once adolf was driving the bus.

> They were unnecessary as Hitler was so popular.

Bullshit he was. He never had the majority popular vote.

> He did so well with his policies that even many British admired him.

They admired FDR too, for the same reason.

>> My comment about democracy was about the word democratic in the GDR
>> title.

> All communist countries were and are democratic,

Mindless bullshit when they didn’t even bother with elections.

> just had and have one party.

That’s nothing even remotely like a real democracy, stupid.

> Their idea of democracy is different to the west

Its nothing even remotely like a real democracy, stupid.

> which has multi-party democracy meaning one set of swine
> at the trough over a limited period till another lot takes over.

Corse nothing like that happens in India, eh ?

>> >> >> They were socialists.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yep, in fact more socialist than anyone else in europe at the time.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Long before Hitler attacked USSR communists
>> >> >> they were fighting the home grown communists.
>> >> >
>> >> >They did indeed and always understood the difference
>> >> >between socialism and communism.
>> >> >
>> >> >>> that embraced social welfare programs.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hitler built up Germany from ruins
>> >> >
>> >> >It wasn’t really in ruins when he got to drive the bus.
>> >
>> > It was in a terrible state.

>> But not in ruins.

> So many countries are not in ruins but do
> not make such progress as Germany did.

Irrelevant to your stupid claim about ruins.

> Like, India and other thirdworld countries.
> They have a lot to learn from the methods
> underlying Hitler's progress.

Hardly anyone is actually stupid enough to go that route anymore.

Cant imagine why for the life of me.

> Read what he wrote about it, for starters.
> I will see if I can find what he actually wrote.

Nothing useful in Mein Kampf.

> What others say
> https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/de-drittes-reich-economy.htm

That fool is too stupid to even notice that it was unsustainable. +

>>> Huge unemployment, high inflation, very weak, loser attitude...

>> That last is wrong.

> Till Hitler they did did have a loser attitude

Bullshit they did.

> because of the other ills mentioned.

More bullshit.

> They did not know what to do.

More bullshit.

> Hitler changed that loser attitude with
> nationalistic slogans and racism.

He actually fixed the problem by reviving the economy
in the same way that FDR did in the USA with massive
govt deficit spending on infrastructure and the military
in the case of Hitler.

>> > Hitler changed it miraculously.

>> No miraculous about it, the same way FDR did
>> it in the USA, massive govt deficit spending.

> No.

Yep.

> Hitler explains exactly what he did.

Claims, actually.

> He gave primary consideration to research.

That’s bullshit. He spent FAR more on infrastructure
projects that involved no research at all but provided
lots of jobs, just like FDR did.

> He created a situation where there had to be really
> meaningful employment where actual things of
> benefit to society would be conceived and created.

Just like FDR.

> In short he used the intelligence and hard
> work of the Germans to make wealth.

Just like FDR.

> He put into practice the Adam Smith dictum, wealth comes from labour.

He actually created lots of jobs, nothing to do with wealth.

> Not from getting loans

In fact he did just that.

> and wasting them, the third world custom.

Yep, the krauts have never been that stupid.

> Not wasting money upon clever
> parasites, the first world custom.

More mindless bullshit with the krauts.

> Just creativity and hard work

Wrong again with the job creation.

> in an united

Germany was never like that, most
obviously with their communists.

> and organised manner.

Germany was always like that.

>> > Which is probably why the Germans fought for him so hard.

>> Nope, essentially because they agreed
>> with his military adventurism once it became
>> clear that it was working so well.

On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 15:36:51 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 04:18:03 UTC+10, %% wrote:
> >> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > petzl wrote
> >> >> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> petzl wrote
> >> >> >>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >> The problem with socialism is that you
> >> >> >>> >> >> eventually run out of other people's money.
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> >Socialism is a much misunderstood term.
> >> >> >>> >> >
> >> >> >>> >> Here it is explained
> >> >> >>> >> here is no difference between communism and socialism,
> >> >> >>> >> except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> >> >> >>> >> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by
> >> >> >>> >> vote.
> >> >> >>> >> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
> >> >> >>> >> #Margaret Thatcher
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >That does not explain why Hitler as socialist very bitterly
> >> >> >>> >attacked
> >> >> >>> >Stalin the communist.
> >> >> >>> >One may think these are vastly different systems.
> >> >> >>> >One difference is that socialism is not atheistic unlike
> >> >> >>> >communism.
> >> >> >>> >Similarity is that they are both supportive of the middle
> >> >> >>> >classes,
> >> >> >>> >communism more extremely so.
> >> >> >>> The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt
> >> >> >>> Europe
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Nazism means National Socialism.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The name means nothing with the krauts, viz the GDR which was never
> >> >> >anything even remotely like democratic or even a republic either.
> >
> > Wrong,
> Nope.
Idiot.
> > they took both nationalism and socialism very seriously in their own way.
> But was never anything even remotely like democratic or even a republic
> either.
Wrong, you idiot.
GDR was exactly what it said - German and Democratic and Republic
Your bullshitting is pointless
> >> > Nationalism has nothing to do with democracy.
>
> >> Never said it did. Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>
> > Who cares what you said. I have some time so am bothering
> > to reply to some old crap you posted to show what crap it is.
> We'll see...
we'll see you are an idiotic bullshitter so what's new.
>
> And you clearly do care what I said.
You are useful to point falsehoods and other mistakes for all to see, for that you are useful to my altruistic self.
So yes you are worth caring about, for educational purposes.
> >>> The Nazis were nationalistic to a great fault.
>
> >> Yes.
>
> >>> They made many socialistic advances like less work hours,
>
> >> That’s not what socialism is about.
>
> > Didn't say it was.
> You clearly did when you used the words socialistic advances.
Any capitalistic or demagogue can make socialistic advances such as mass scale bribes for funding or votes. Does not mean they are existing in a socialist state. A socialist state makes socialistic advances as per its basic ideology because that is what it is supposed to do.
> > It is a socialistic outcome, being pro-worker.
> That’s not what socialism is about, most obviously with unions.
Socialist states provide socialistic outcomes, being pro-worker.
Unions are a different matter. Non-socialist states reluctantly allow them, and crush them when they can.
The progress for workers is much greater in a socialist state, until the workers become extravagant with bad union leadership
In which case there is trouble, with rise of things like Thatcherism.
In a pure socialist state, there is no need for capitalist grudged unions, for the state itself is a union of workers.
> > Socialism is about being pro-worker, and pro-society.
> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Its actually about
> having stuff done by govt instead of private industry.

Reductionist abusive babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic fuming in his wet paper bag.
In a socialist state the entire focus is upon society as a whole as opposed to making profits for a few.
Which is why socialist states go for four or five year plans, to set goals for the direction of society to benefit everyone.
Plans are about doing work, by workers and their managers under state control.
They could work in the public sector owned largely by govt. or the private sector.
Both private and public sector exist in a socialist society.

> > As opposed to making profits for the investors as top priority.

> Utterly mangled all over again.

Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic fuming in a wet paper bag.

> >>> worker benefits
>
> >> And neither is that.
>
> > Of course worker benefits is socialistic.
> Wrong, most obviously with unions.
Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet paper bag
> > Capitalists cut down on worker benefits to the minimum level.
> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet paper bag
> > All worker benefits have come from socialism,
> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet paper bag
> > from trade unions, good business leaders, political stances.
> None of which are socialism.
> >>> and emphasis on research.
>
> >> And that in spades.
>
> > Which is what Hitler did for his
> > huge socio-economic progress.
> And his govt doing that is socialism, stupid.
Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet paper bag
> >>> They made cars for the people and autobahn.
>
> >> And the state did both, not private industry, that’s socialism..
>
> > One aspect, yes.
>
> >>> They were more authoritarian than democratic,
> >>> certainly, for they were fascists.
>
> >> And didn’t bother with elections once adolf was driving the bus.
>
> > They were unnecessary as Hitler was so popular.
> Bullshit he was. He never had the majority popular vote.

He was hugely popular afterwards, when his plans worked out and unemployment was cut down, national pride ignited.
No other leader of that time - till he started losing - had his kind of popularity. Even when he was near defeat he still had support.
He was fascist which means he had no use for elections, he had use for loyalty.
As the Germans were loyal to him, as he was very popular, elections were unnecessary.
Just as in any feudal state under an absolute monarch there is no scope for elections.

> > He did so well with his policies that even many British admired him.
> They admired FDR too, for the same reason.
> >> My comment about democracy was about the word democratic in the GDR
> >> title.
>
> > All communist countries were and are democratic,
> Mindless bullshit when they didn’t even bother with elections.
> > just had and have one party.
> That’s nothing even remotely like a real democracy, stupid.

Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet paper bag.
Democracy can be single party as in fascist and communist countries.
That is plain fact.'
There are two types of democracy. The multi party one is new, and is an alternative to civil war, being a ongoing conflict between the conservative vested interests and those challenging same.
In a fascist or communist country, there has been some kind of a revolution so the kings/sheikhs/barons/etc. have been kicked out so there is no question of ongoing civil wars via parliamentary procedures characteristic of multi-party democracy. There need be and is one and only party, that of the workers. The parasites are not there to form their own party.

> > Their idea of democracy is different to the west
> Its nothing even remotely like a real democracy, stupid.
Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet paper bag.
> > which has multi-party democracy meaning one set of swine
> > at the trough over a limited period till another lot takes over.
> Corse nothing like that happens in India, eh ?
Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet paper bag.
Irrelevant, too.
> >> >> >> They were socialists.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yep, in fact more socialist than anyone else in europe at the time..
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Long before Hitler attacked USSR communists
> >> >> >> they were fighting the home grown communists.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >They did indeed and always understood the difference
> >> >> >between socialism and communism.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> that embraced social welfare programs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Hitler built up Germany from ruins
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It wasn’t really in ruins when he got to drive the bus.
> >> >
> >> > It was in a terrible state.
>
> >> But not in ruins.
>
> > So many countries are not in ruins but do
> > not make such progress as Germany did.
> Irrelevant to your stupid claim about ruins.
Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet paper bag.
Doesn't know what he is talking about.
> > Like, India and other thirdworld countries.
> > They have a lot to learn from the methods
> > underlying Hitler's progress.
> Hardly anyone is actually stupid enough to go that route anymore.
They jolly well should, and that is my main point. Hitler made enormous progress in a very short time, without getting loans.
If they want 20% growth on a sound basis, then using research and brains and hard work and management by socialistic attitudes is the way to go.
As did Hitler and to some extent FDR.
After WW2 the British under Labour adopted Hitler's methods, totally changed UK from a foul class ridden backward society to something better. They learnt from Hitler. Europe too followed suit with socialist methods, creating a very livable situation, overcoming past feudal class based structures.

banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 04:18:03 UTC+10, %% wrote:
>> >> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> > petzl wrote
>> >> >> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> petzl wrote
>> >> >> >>> banerjee...@gmail.com <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> >> The problem with socialism is that you
>> >> >> >>> >> >> eventually run out of other people's money.
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> >Socialism is a much misunderstood term.
>> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >>> >> Here it is explained
>> >> >> >>> >> here is no difference between communism and socialism,
>> >> >> >>> >> except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
>> >> >> >>> >> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by
>> >> >> >>> >> vote.
>> >> >> >>> >> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
>> >> >> >>> >> #Margaret Thatcher
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >That does not explain why Hitler as socialist very bitterly
>> >> >> >>> >attacked
>> >> >> >>> >Stalin the communist.
>> >> >> >>> >One may think these are vastly different systems.
>> >> >> >>> >One difference is that socialism is not atheistic unlike
>> >> >> >>> >communism.
>> >> >> >>> >Similarity is that they are both supportive of the middle
>> >> >> >>> >classes,
>> >> >> >>> >communism more extremely so.
>> >> >> >>> The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt
>> >> >> >>> Europe
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Nazism means National Socialism.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The name means nothing with the krauts, viz the GDR which was
>> >> >> >never
>> >> >> >anything even remotely like democratic or even a republic either.

>>> Wrong,

>> Nope.

> Idiot.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> > they took both nationalism and socialism very seriously in their own
>> > way.
>> But was never anything even remotely like democratic or even a republic
>> either.

> Wrong, you idiot.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

> GDR was exactly what it said - German and Democratic and Republic

Nothing democratic about it given that you could only vote for one party.

> Your bullshitting is pointless

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> >> > Nationalism has nothing to do with democracy.
>>
>> >> Never said it did. Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>>
>> > Who cares what you said. I have some time so am bothering
>> > to reply to some old crap you posted to show what crap it is.

>> We'll see...

> we'll see you are an idiotic bullshitter so what's new.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> And you clearly do care what I said.

> You are useful to point falsehoods and other mistakes
> for all to see, for that you are useful to my altruistic self.

Pathetic.

> So yes you are worth caring about, for educational purposes.

You aren't educating anyone with your mindless conspiracy theorys.

>> >>> The Nazis were nationalistic to a great fault.
>>
>> >> Yes.
>>
>> >>> They made many socialistic advances like less work hours,
>>
>> >> That’s not what socialism is about.
>>
>> > Didn't say it was.

>> You clearly did when you used the words socialistic advances.

> Any capitalistic or demagogue can make socialistic
> advances such as mass scale bribes for funding or votes.

Those aren't socialistic advances.

> Does not mean they are existing in a socialist state.

ALL states have a mixture of socialist and capitalist policy,
even HongKong before it was handed back to china did.

> A socialist state makes socialistic advances as per its basic
> ideology because that is what it is supposed to do.

Or doesn’t bother as is the case with the worst of them.

>>> It is a socialistic outcome, being pro-worker.

>> That’s not what socialism is about, most obviously with unions.

> Socialist states provide socialistic outcomes, being pro-worker.

That’s not what socialism is about.

> Unions are a different matter. Non-socialist states
> reluctantly allow them, and crush them when they can.

More mindless bullshit.

> The progress for workers is much greater in a socialist state,

That’s not what socialism is about.

> until the workers become extravagant with bad union leadership

Even sillier.

> In which case there is trouble, with rise of things like Thatcherism.

> In a pure socialist state,

No such animal.

there is no need for capitalist grudged unions, for the state itself is a
union of workers.

>>> Socialism is about being pro-worker, and pro-society.

>> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Its actually about
>> having stuff done by govt instead of private industry.

> Reductionist abusive babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic fuming in
> his wet paper bag.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

> In a socialist state the entire focus is upon society
> as a whole as opposed to making profits for a few.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit. Its actually about
having stuff done by govt instead of private industry.

> Which is why socialist states go for four or five year plans,
> to set goals for the direction of society to benefit everyone.

How odd that they never do in fact benefit everyone.

> Plans are about doing work, by workers and their managers under state
> control.

Utterly mangled all over again.

> They could work in the public sector owned largely by govt. or the private
> sector.
> Both private and public sector exist in a socialist society.

What I said in different words.

>> > As opposed to making profits for the investors as top priority.

>> Utterly mangled all over again.

> Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic fuming in a wet
> paper bag.

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> >>> worker benefits
>>
>> >> And neither is that.
>>
>> > Of course worker benefits is socialistic.

>> Wrong, most obviously with unions.

> Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet
> paper bag

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> > Capitalists cut down on worker benefits to the minimum level.

>> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet
> paper bag

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> > All worker benefits have come from socialism,

>> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet
> paper bag

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> > from trade unions, good business leaders, political stances.

>> None of which are socialism.

>> >>> and emphasis on research.

>> >> And that in spades.

>> > Which is what Hitler did for his
>> > huge socio-economic progress.

>> And his govt doing that is socialism, stupid.

> Idiotic raving babble above from Rod, a retarded lunatic vomiting in a wet
> paper bag

Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there.

>> >>> They made cars for the people and autobahn.

>> >> And the state did both, not private industry, that’s socialism.

>> > One aspect, yes.

>> >>> They were more authoritarian than democratic,
>> >>> certainly, for they were fascists.

>> >> And didn’t bother with elections once adolf was driving the bus.