On 06/12/2021 13:06, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 06/12/2021 11:08, Turby wrote:
>> On 12/6/2021 2:36 AM, Champ wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 20:21:20 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yeah. I think Zero has been around longer than most electric bike
>>>
>>>> Didn't Champ do a couole of circuits on the IoM on one of those?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> That was a handbuilt electric bike (like the whole TT Zero class),
>>> built on the IoM.  And TT Zero bikes only ever did one lap before
>>> recharging - the race was over a single lap, and the 2 (iirc) practice
>>> laps were one lap each, on different days
>>>
>> So it wasn't a production model, it was still a Zero, right? What's
>> your impression of the company having interacted with them? Good
>> people? Worth dealing with?
>
> "Zero" means zero emissions, not the Zero company.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT_Zero

Can't wait for Champ to pilot one of these,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54242176

--
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"Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in news:sofpff$dl5$1@dont-
email.me:

> Pipl wrote:
>
>
>> I discovered that cranking the throttle open and closed sharply could
>> momentarily give me full power. A bit of Googling revealed that the
>> throttle potentiometer on the older models - and mine just falls into
>> the group - is prone to dying in just such a fashion. Not great at
>> less than seven thousand miles on a �17K+ bike.
>
> I'm in a few Italian bike groups on Facebook, & a few BMW groups. Guess
> which ones have all the electrical problems? I'll take Italian[1]
> electrics over German[1] any day.
>
> [1]bike
>

don't they all use Chinese electronics?

how do you feel about the Audi motorcycles with Ducati branding?

On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:06:50 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 06/12/2021 10:36, Champ wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 20:21:20 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Yeah. I think Zero has been around longer than most electric bike
>>
>>> Didn't Champ do a couole of circuits on the IoM on one of those?
>> No.
>>
>> That was a handbuilt electric bike (like the whole TT Zero class),
>> built on the IoM. And TT Zero bikes only ever did one lap before
>> recharging - the race was over a single lap, and the 2 (iirc) practice
>> laps were one lap each, on different days

>If you made it around in a practice lap, that counts as one :-)

Yes. But, crucially, the bike died on the race lap. So I only did
one (practice) lap, not "a couple of circuits" :-)
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 03:08:28 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/6/2021 2:36 AM, Champ wrote:

>>>> Yeah. I think Zero has been around longer than most electric bike
>>> Didn't Champ do a couole of circuits on the IoM on one of those?

>> No.
>>
>> That was a handbuilt electric bike (like the whole TT Zero class),
>> built on the IoM.

>So it wasn't a production model, it was still a Zero, right?

No, not at all - the class/event was called "TT Zero", with no
connection to the company "Zero"

--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
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On Friday, 3 December 2021 at 23:36:16 UTC, Pipl wrote:
> It's been a mix of good and bad with the electric bike.
>
> There have been a few odd irritations - could happen to any bike, not
> just electric ones, but I've had a bit of a run of bad luck and
> possible mishandling by the previous owner.

There were a significant number of electric motorcycle stands at Motorcycle Live. Some very nice options, all dogged by inadequate battery technology, perhaps this will be resolved within 15 years. Special mention for the Spanish company Silence for their take on a 5kWh removeable battery with handle and wheels.
The Zero SR/S touring bike is quite something and interesting to note that ride height has been made "unisex" https://flic.kr/p/2mPzwqx
But ridden at Gentlemans' Touring speeds with head/aux lights, heated clothing and SatNav? useless 50-75 mile range, minimum 1hr charge.

Suzuki have also addressed the (overdue) ride height issue, with the GT and GSX-S being useable "out of the box". Ducati (at least) have both seat height and rear shock options on the Monster and 950 Supersport. I'm kinda surprised there havent been discrimination cases brought against manufacturers by lady riders, average height being 160ish
--
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2020 SD-R '89 R100RS '96 Bastard12
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On 03/12/2021 23:36, Pipl wrote:
> It's been a mix of good and bad with the electric bike.
>
> There have been a few odd irritations - could happen to any bike, not
> just electric ones, but I've had a bit of a run of bad luck and
> possible mishandling by the previous owner.
>
> But of late, the bike seemed to have lost its sparkle. Still leaves
> the Guzzi feeling a bit gutless in terms of outright torque, but I
> came to the conclusion that somewhere around one third of the horses
> had escaped the corral. It manifested itself as a hesitation at wide
> throttle positions, not unlike an IC bike with a bad top-end misfire.
>
> I discovered that cranking the throttle open and closed sharply could
> momentarily give me full power. A bit of Googling revealed that the
> throttle potentiometer on the older models - and mine just falls into
> the group - is prone to dying in just such a fashion. Not great at
> less than seven thousand miles on a £17K+ bike.
>
> At least it's easily fixable. Also, it seems to be a generic part, not
> Energica-specific, though this time, as a service is due and there
> might still be a chance of a warranty claim, I'll probably let the
> dealer sort it.
>

I'll see your electrics and raise you an Italien/Italian motorhome
electrics. I'm currently[1] chasing an intermittent fault where all the
power suddenly turns off, or the 12V supply dips to about 8v.

[1]yes yes
--
/Simon

siwilson wrote:
> I'll see your electrics and raise you an Italien/Italian motorhome
> electrics.

You bought something then?

On 08/12/2021 21:58, ogden wrote:
> siwilson wrote:
>> I'll see your electrics and raise you an Italien/Italian motorhome
>> electrics.
>
> You bought something then?
>

Possibly

--
/Simon

On 08/12/2021 17:50, Hog wrote:
>
> Suzuki have also addressed the (overdue) ride height issue, with the GT and GSX-S being useable "out of the box". Ducati (at least) have both seat height and rear shock options on the Monster and 950 Supersport. I'm kinda surprised there havent been discrimination cases brought against manufacturers by lady riders, average height being 160ish

It's not just lady riders. Elderly gentleman riders such as myself may
have difficulty getting their leg over (as I have been informed the
modern parlance is). I have to mount the Tiger cowboy-fashion, can just
about bounce onto the T120 but cowboy style again is preferable, and
trying to get on bikes like the current Speed Triple is pointless
because although I can happily cope with the seat height, I can't get
across the immensely high pillion seat/rear seat area.

On 10/12/2021 03:03, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 08/12/2021 17:50, Hog wrote:
>>
>> Suzuki have also addressed the (overdue) ride height issue, with the
>> GT and GSX-S being useable "out of the box". Ducati (at least) have
>> both seat height and rear shock options on the Monster and 950
>> Supersport. I'm kinda surprised there havent been discrimination cases
>> brought against manufacturers by lady riders, average height being 160ish
>
> It's not just lady riders. Elderly gentleman riders such as myself may
> have difficulty getting their leg over (as I have been informed the
> modern parlance is). I have to mount the Tiger cowboy-fashion, can just
> about bounce onto the T120 but cowboy style again is preferable, and
> trying to get on bikes like the current Speed Triple is pointless
> because although I can happily cope with the seat height, I can't get
> across the immensely high pillion seat/rear seat area.

Hence my purchase of the Husky 401 supplied with lowering kit. My right
hip precludes anything higher [1]. Fairly 'level' pillion section of the
seat too.

[1] X-ray appointment awaited after a 'flare up', so perhaps I will get
on a (very, very long) replacement list.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 10/12/2021 03:03, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 08/12/2021 17:50, Hog wrote:
>>
>> Suzuki have also addressed the (overdue) ride height issue, with the
>> GT and GSX-S being useable "out of the box". Ducati (at least) have
>> both seat height and rear shock options on the Monster and 950
>> Supersport. I'm kinda surprised there havent been discrimination cases
>> brought against manufacturers by lady riders, average height being 160ish
>
> It's not just lady riders. Elderly gentleman riders such as myself may
> have difficulty getting their leg over (as I have been informed the
> modern parlance is).
+1

And I'm not even 60 yet!

--
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On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 9:58:33 PM UTC, ogden wrote:
> siwilson wrote:
> > I'll see your electrics and raise you an Italien/Italian motorhome
> > electrics.
> You bought something then?

Gotta pop to the butchers tomorrow morning, so I'll scout past the end of the drive and do a bit of stalking. ;-)

On 10/12/2021 10:10, Dave Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 9:58:33 PM UTC, ogden wrote:
>> siwilson wrote:
>>> I'll see your electrics and raise you an Italien/Italian motorhome
>>> electrics.
>> You bought something then?
>
> Gotta pop to the butchers tomorrow morning, so I'll scout past the end of the drive and do a bit of stalking. ;-)
>

The pig dude? Call in for a brew...

--
/Simon

On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 10:32:53 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 03/12/2021 23:36, Pipl wrote:
>> It's been a mix of good and bad with the electric bike.
>>
>> There have been a few odd irritations - could happen to any bike, not
>> just electric ones, but I've had a bit of a run of bad luck and
>> possible mishandling by the previous owner.
>>
>
>Watching your progress with the steed.

An update. The nice people at EEMC had a chap drop by on his way to
the NEC.

The chap reckoned that my bike's probably got the later Hall-effect
throttle, took the logs off the bike, and we chatted for half an hour
while his laptop reprogrammed the bike's various controllers.

So, they've got the logs and can send them to Energica if necessary.

Good and bad news, really. I had hoped and expected that it would be
an easy throttle swap, but if the programming cures it then I'll be
happy.

Yesterday it was still going OK, with tons of low-end grunt, but would
back off (not kill) the power somewhat erratically at WOT. This still
meant that it could (I guess, naturally) achieve three figure speeds.

Oh, and apparently the battery voltage at its current (ahaha) charge
state of 99% is a bit over 320V. Kids, don't put the wires on your
tongue.

--

-Pip

On 5 Dec 2021 12:09:56 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
wrote:

>El Sat, 04 Dec 2021 13:24:04 +0000, Pipl escribió:
>
>> I tend to agree, actually. I could only afford this bike because I
>> inherited some money. I think my biggest concern (after noticing that I
>> can't spell "Italien"
>
>German, innit. For Italy.

Oh, yeah! Must be my very distant Swiss ancestry kicking in.

--

-Pip

On 5 Dec 2021 12:09:56 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
wrote:

>El Sat, 04 Dec 2021 13:24:04 +0000, Pipl escribió:
>
>> I tend to agree, actually. I could only afford this bike because I
>> inherited some money. I think my biggest concern (after noticing that I
>> can't spell "Italien"

>German, innit. For Italy.

It always suprised me that the Italian word for German is "Tedesco".
And while we say "german", the french say "allemand", which the
germans themselves say "deutsch". I wonder why so many differences?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ wrote:

> It always suprised me that the Italian word for German is "Tedesco".
> And while we say "german", the french say "allemand", which the
> germans themselves say "deutsch". I wonder why so many differences?

Various explanations contained here

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Germany>

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:o789rgpa63btpqa8rgfitdm38jju9gv057@
4ax.com:

> On 5 Dec 2021 12:09:56 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>El Sat, 04 Dec 2021 13:24:04 +0000, Pipl escribi�:
>>
>>> I tend to agree, actually. I could only afford this bike because I
>>> inherited some money. I think my biggest concern (after noticing that I
>>> can't spell "Italien"
>
>>German, innit. For Italy.
>
> It always suprised me that the Italian word for German is "Tedesco".
> And while we say "german", the french say "allemand", which the
> germans themselves say "deutsch". I wonder why so many differences?

Why surprise?

Germany is a relatively recent geo-political construct.

The Spanish name has its roots in Latin. The French word has its roots in
an ancient tribe & language living over the Rhine border in the early
Middle Ages.

As Andy's link identifies, other names for the current country of Germany
derive from Prussia, Saxony etc, presumably depending in which old kingdom
a country had a relationship with when their language developed.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 13:03:49 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On 5 Dec 2021 12:09:56 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>El Sat, 04 Dec 2021 13:24:04 +0000, Pipl escribió:
>>
>>> I tend to agree, actually. I could only afford this bike because I
>>> inherited some money. I think my biggest concern (after noticing that I
>>> can't spell "Italien"
>
>>German, innit. For Italy.
>
>It always suprised me that the Italian word for German is "Tedesco".
>And while we say "german", the french say "allemand", which the
>germans themselves say "deutsch". I wonder why so many differences?

It's mostly down to the many tribes/peoples who migrated across the
continent over a couple of thousand years. The Teutoni (Roman name)
whence the present-day Italian word, which term also migrated into
Deutsch and Dutch, the Allemani, whose name is still used to refer to
the German language group of Alsace. southern Germany and Northern
Switzerland. German came from Latin as well, but isn't so clearly
deroved from a tribal grouping, but relates to germain as in
'belonging to' a group of peoples in a given area.

--
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 13:22:37 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>
>> It always suprised me that the Italian word for German is "Tedesco".
>> And while we say "german", the french say "allemand", which the
>> germans themselves say "deutsch". I wonder why so many differences?

>Various explanations contained here
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Germany>

Thanks (and to Wessie and Ace)

Italy was only unified by Garibaldi [1] in the 19th century as well,
but seems to be know by versions/variations of "Italy" everywhere

[1] insert biscuit joke here
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ wrote:
> Italy was only unified by Garibaldi [1] in the 19th century as well,
>
> [1] insert biscuit joke here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMuSA63eoA

On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 11:51:40 -0800 (PST), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>> Italy was only unified by Garibaldi [1] in the 19th century as well,
>>
>> [1] insert biscuit joke here

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMuSA63eoA

Yes, exactly. The Peak Freans Trotsky Assortment
--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 12/12/2021 17:41, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 11:51:40 -0800 (PST), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Champ wrote:
>>> Italy was only unified by Garibaldi [1] in the 19th century as well,
>>>
>>> [1] insert biscuit joke here
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMuSA63eoA
>
> Yes, exactly. The Peak Freans Trotsky Assortment
>
But they are now part of United Biscuits...

--
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 17:41:12 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 11:51:40 -0800 (PST), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Champ wrote:
>>> Italy was only unified by Garibaldi [1] in the 19th century as well,
>>>
>>> [1] insert biscuit joke here
>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMuSA63eoA
>
>Yes, exactly. The Peak Freans Trotsky Assortment

Peek.
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CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 1:31:38 PM UTC, Salad Dodger wrote:

> Peek.

Poke.

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