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* Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned hereNomen Nescio
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| |   | +* Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned hereRod Speed
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| |`- Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned hereYosemite Sam
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| | `- Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned herePhil Allison
| `* Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned hereSylvia Else
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|  ||| |`- Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned hereRod Speed
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|  |`* Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned hereFran
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|  `* Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned herePhil Allison
|   `* Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned hereSylvia Else
|    `- Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned herePhil Allison
`* Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned hereSylvia Else

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Subject: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned here
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 by: Nomen Nescio - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 00:49 UTC

Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.

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Subject: Re: Australian Christian Lobby wants abortion banned here
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 by: Max - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 00:59 UTC

On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>

Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.

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 by: Fran - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 01:58 UTC

On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>
>
> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.

And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need for
retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......

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 by: Fran - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 01:58 UTC

On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>
>
> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.

Some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need for
retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......

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 by: Max - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:50 UTC

On 26/06/2022 11:58 am, Fran wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>
>>
>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>
>
> And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need for
> retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......

1. The day before a woman gives birth, what is in her uterus is a human
life.

2. On any day, if what's in the woman's uterus is a human life, then the
day before it is also a human life.

3. Therefore, for all days of the pregnancy, what is the in the woman's
uterus is a human life.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 09:31 UTC

On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>
>
> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>
>

**Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman what
she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth is one of
the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia

In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion, if
she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe abortion,
should she wish.

And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's. If a
woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of giving
birth, then she should be supported for her choice.

Fuckwits like you can take a running jump.

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 by: Max - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:14 UTC

On 26/06/2022 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>
>>
>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>
>>
>
> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman what
> she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth is one of
> the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>
> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>
>
> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion, if
> she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe abortion,
> should she wish.
>
> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
> where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's. If a
> woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of giving
> birth, then she should be supported for her choice.
>

What about the rights of the unborn child? When do they get a say in
what happens?

> Fuckwits like you can take a running jump.
>

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 by: Fran - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:21 UTC

On 26/06/2022 12:50 pm, Max wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 11:58 am, Fran wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>
>>
>> And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need for
>> retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......
>
> 1. The day before a woman gives birth, what is in her uterus is a human
> life.
>
> 2. On any day, if what's in the woman's uterus is a human life, then the
> day before it is also a human life.
>
> 3. Therefore, for all days of the pregnancy, what is the in the woman's
> uterus is a human life.

If a fetus can't survive on it's own outside the uterus, it's just a
bunch of cells.

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 by: Fran - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:29 UTC

On 26/06/2022 8:14 pm, Max wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth is
>> one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>
>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>>
>>
>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion,
>> if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe
>> abortion, should she wish.
>>
>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
>> where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's. If
>> a woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of giving
>> birth, then she should be supported for her choice.
>>
>
> What about the rights of the unborn child?  When do they get a say in
> what happens?

A bunch of cells that cannot survive outside the uterus doesn't get a
say as those cells don't rate highly on the sentient scale. Besides
which, there are more than enough dullards who seem to believe that they
have the right to speak on behalf of the bunch of cells and on behalf of
women.

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 by: Max - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:45 UTC

On 26/06/2022 8:21 pm, Fran wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 12:50 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 11:58 am, Fran wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>
>>>
>>> And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need for
>>> retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......
>>
>> 1. The day before a woman gives birth, what is in her uterus is a
>> human life.
>>
>> 2. On any day, if what's in the woman's uterus is a human life, then
>> the day before it is also a human life.
>>
>> 3. Therefore, for all days of the pregnancy, what is the in the
>> woman's uterus is a human life.
>
> If a fetus can't survive on it's own outside the uterus, it's just a
> bunch of cells.
>

A baby after birth can't survive on its own outside the uterus.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 18:32 UTC

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Max wrote
>> Nomen Nescio wrote

>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.

>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.

> Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman what
> she may do with HER body.

Mindless bullshit when it involves deliberately killing an unborn child.

> You should realise that giving birth is one of the most deadly acts a
> woman can engage in.

Then she should have considered that before getting pregnant, fuckwit.

> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia

Just because some fool claims something...

> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion, if
> she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe abortion,
> should she wish.

More fool you when it involves killing an unborn child.

> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
> where the Sun don't shine.

You in spades.

> This is a woman's choice, not a male's.

That's mindless bullshit too given that she didn't produce it unaided.

> If a woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of giving
> birth, then she should be supported for her choice.

Not when that involves killing an unborn child.

> Fuckwits like you can take a running jump.

You too.

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 by: hgt - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 18:33 UTC

On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 20:21:44 +1000, Fran
<gettingmoredelusionalbythedayistheforger@nutcasewannabefran.com> wrote:

> On 26/06/2022 12:50 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 11:58 am, Fran wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>
>>>
>>> And some clueless males who post on usenet are proof of the need for
>>> retrospective abortion to be allowed to be applied......
>> 1. The day before a woman gives birth, what is in her uterus is a
>> human life.
>> 2. On any day, if what's in the woman's uterus is a human life, then
>> the day before it is also a human life.
>> 3. Therefore, for all days of the pregnancy, what is the in the
>> woman's uterus is a human life.
>
> If a fetus can't survive on it's own outside the uterus, it's just a
> bunch of cells.
>

More mindless bullshit. You can run the same mindless line
with a terminal illness after it is born.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 20:27 UTC

On 26/06/2022 8:14 pm, Max wrote:
> On 26/06/2022 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth is
>> one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>
>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>>
>>
>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion,
>> if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe
>> abortion, should she wish.
>>
>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
>> where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's. If
>> a woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of giving
>> birth, then she should be supported for her choice.
>>
>
> What about the rights of the unborn child?  When do they get a say in
> what happens?

**I will say once more:

If you are a male, then stick your opinions up your arse. This is a
matter for women. The foetus cannot survive without a woman. Therefore,
it is part of a woman's body. Therefore, it is a WOMAN'S choice. Not
your and not mine.

It is not an 'unborn child'. It is a foetus. It is a WOMAN'S choice.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 20:32 UTC

On 27/06/2022 4:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Max wrote
>>> Nomen Nescio wrote
>
>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>
>>>  Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>
>> Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman what
>> she may do with HER body.
>
> Mindless bullshit when it involves deliberately killing an unborn child.

**It is not an "unborn child". It is a foetus and cannot survive outside
a woman's body. If the foetus can survive outside a woman's body, then
that is a different matter.

>
>> You should realise that giving birth is one of the most deadly acts a
>> woman can engage in.
>
> Then she should have considered that before getting pregnant, fuckwit.

**I see. So a foetus that is the product of rape, incest, underage sex,
etc is irrelevant? Because that is what many US states now regard as
irrelevant.

>
>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>>
>
> Just because some fool claims something...

**It's a fact you moron. Giving birth is dangerous to women. A woman
should never be forced to engage in a life-threatening activity by men.

>
>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion,
>> if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe
>> abortion, should she wish.
>
> More fool you when it involves killing an unborn child.

**It is not an "unborn child". It is a foetus and cannot survive outside
a woman's body. If the foetus can survive outside a woman's body, then
that is a different matter.

>
>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
>> where the Sun don't shine.
>
> You in spades.

**Sure.

>
>> This is a woman's choice, not a male's.
>
> That's mindless bullshit too given that she didn't produce it unaided.

**True. She may have been raped.

>
>> If a woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of
>> giving birth, then she should be supported for her choice.
>
> Not when that involves killing an unborn child.

**It is not an "unborn child". It is a foetus and cannot survive outside
a woman's body. If the foetus can survive outside a woman's body, then
that is a different matter.

>
>> Fuckwits like you can take a running jump.
>
> You too.

**Fortunately, we are not in the US, where fuckwits like you get to
dictate what a woman may do with her body.

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 by: Peter Jason - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 21:10 UTC

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 06:32:31 +1000, Trevor Wilson
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>On 27/06/2022 4:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Max wrote
>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote
>>
>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.

Haven't these women and men heard of contraception? Why not tie
women's tubes at birth & reconnect them when wanting babies.
Vasectomies for men at birth too.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 21:28 UTC

On 27/06/2022 7:10 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 06:32:31 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 27/06/2022 4:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> Max wrote
>>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>
>
> Haven't these women and men heard of contraception? Why not tie
> women's tubes at birth & reconnect them when wanting babies.
> Vasectomies for men at birth too.
>

**Rape.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 21:56 UTC

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 06:27:10 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 26/06/2022 8:14 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 26/06/2022 7:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 26/06/2022 10:59 am, Max wrote:
>>>> On 26/06/2022 10:49 am, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman
>>> what she may do with HER body. You should realise that giving birth is
>>> one of the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.
>>>
>>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion,
>>> if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe
>>> abortion, should she wish.
>>>
>>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
>>> where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's. If
>>> a woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of giving
>>> birth, then she should be supported for her choice.
>>>
>> What about the rights of the unborn child? When do they get a say in
>> what happens?
>
> **I will say once more:
>
> If you are a male, then stick your opinions up your arse. This is a
> matter for women. The foetus cannot survive without a woman. Therefore,
> it is part of a woman's body. Therefore, it is a WOMAN'S choice. Not
> your and not mine.

Repeating that mindless shit changes nothing.

> It is not an 'unborn child'. It is a foetus.

Its both.

> It is a WOMAN'S choice.

Wrong, as always, its murder.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 22:06 UTC

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 06:32:31 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 27/06/2022 4:32 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Max wrote
>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote
>>
>>>>> Well, it didn't take the fundies long to crawl out of the shandows.
>>
>>>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>>
>>> Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman what
>>> she may do with HER body.
>> Mindless bullshit when it involves deliberately killing an unborn
>> child.

> It is not an "unborn child". It is a foetus

Its both.

> and cannot survive outside a woman's body.

Irrelevant. It can survive fine if not aborted.

> If the foetus can survive outside a woman's body, then that is a
> different matter.

Wrong, as always.

>>> You should realise that giving birth is one of the most deadly acts a
>>> woman can engage in.

>> Then she should have considered that before getting pregnant, fuckwit.

> I see.

You never do.

> So a foetus that is the product of rape, incest, underage sex, etc is
> irrelevant?

Nope, it is still an unborn child.

> Because that is what many US states now regard as irrelevant.

Irrelevant to your mindless shit.

>>> https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/mothers-babies/maternal-deaths-in-australia/contents/maternal-deaths-in-australia
>> Just because some fool claims something...

> It's a fact you moron.

So is the fact that she should have considered that before getting
pregnant, fuckwit.

> Giving birth is dangerous to women.

She should have considered that before getting pregnant, fuckwit.

> A woman should never be forced to engage in a life-threatening activity
> by men.

She isnt when she chooses to fuck.

>>> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion,
>>> if she wishes. Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe
>>> abortion, should she wish.

>> More fool you when it involves killing an unborn child.

> It is not an "unborn child". It is a foetus

Its both.

> and cannot survive outside a woman's body.

Irrelevant. It will mostly survive without being aborted.

> If the foetus can survive outside a woman's body, then that is a
> different matter.

Wrong, as always.

>>> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
>>> where the Sun don't shine.

>> You in spades.

> Sure.

>>> This is a woman's choice, not a male's.

>> That's mindless bullshit too given that she didn't produce it unaided.

> True. She may have been raped.

And can avoid getting pregnant by being on the pill, stupid.

>>> If a woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of
>>> giving birth, then she should be supported for her choice.

>> Not when that involves killing an unborn child.

> It is not an "unborn child". It is a foetus

Its both.

> and cannot survive outside a woman's body.

Irrelevant. It will mostly survive without being aborted.

> If the foetus can survive outside a woman's body, then that is a
> different matter.

Wrong, as always.

>>> Fuckwits like you can take a running jump.

>> You too.

> Fortunately, we are not in the US, where fuckwits like you get to
> dictate what a woman may do with her body.

In fact we did just that for centurys.

And still dictate what a woman can do to the child once it has been born,
fuckwit.

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 by: Ördög - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 22:56 UTC

Rod Speed, the Alzheimer ridden angry old fart

/Auto-snip retarded hard right trolls and their disgusting dumps/

> fuckwit.

Yeah, the fitting sig for all your posts.

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 by: Ördög - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:37 UTC

Trevor Wilson wrote:

/Auto-snip retarded hard right trolls and their disgusting dumps/

> **It is not an "unborn child". It is a foetus and cannot survive outside
> a woman's body. If the foetus can survive outside a woman's body, then
> that is a different matter.
/snip/
> **Fortunately, we are not in the US, where fuckwits like you get to
> dictate what a woman may do with her body.
>

This is what happens when privileged fundamentalist old farts take
control of politics and the justice system.

They thrive for enforcing absolute conformity with their anachronistic
views of society that is better fitting for the 17th century than the
21st one.

Basically, if a foetus can not survive outside the uterus even with the
best medical care modern science has on offer it can not (nor should
not) be considered as an independent human life. No more than a
cancerous growth is regarded as an individual. The fact that that a
foetus carries the uncertain potential to eventually develop into a real
functioning human being does not change that fact. Until the point of
survivable birth the only human that is in existence is the woman who
caries that foetus as part of her body. And she has the absolute right
to decide what happens to her body.
Those theocratic and fundamentalist conservative fuckers who now trying
to force their will on society in the USA should be regarded no better
than similar creeps who run those theocratic shit-holes in Iran,
Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.
The Xtian fundy Taliban is now full in swing.

BTW if wishful thinkers thought the fundamentalist low-lives in charge
in the US are now finished with their undermining of modern society they
could not be more wrong.
What's next on their agenda:

1 Banning contraception
2 Banning interstate travel for pregnant women.
3 Death penalty for abortion providers and the women who use their
services.
4 Banning gays (the death penalty is considered as an option)

But this list is far from complete...just read some history books on
17th century US society to expand your expectations of the upcoming
horror show. Specially after the Democrats get wiped out after the GOP
rigged 2022 midterm and the 2024 presidential elections.

Could something like this happen here in OZ?
If we are not careful to snip this in the bud politically speaking it
certainly will. We have to break all links between fundamentalist
religion and politics just as we have to strengthen democracy in order
to avoid going down the same horrible conservative path as the US does.

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 by: Ördög - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:44 UTC

hgt trolled unrepentantly

/Auto-snip retarded hard right trolls and their disgusting dumps/

> Fran
>> If a fetus can't survive on it's own outside the uterus, it's just a
>> bunch of cells.

And so it is.

> More mindless bullshit.

....it is. All of it. All of that Xtian fundamentalist crap you and your
ilk spew into cyberspace covertly hoping to grab the full control over
what women may or may not do with their lives in society.

AND NOW FOAD!

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 by: Ördög - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:59 UTC

Rod Speed, the Alzheimer ridden angry old fart:

/Auto-snip retarded hard right trolls and their disgusting dumps/

> Wrong, as always,

I agree. I am yet to see anything ever posted by this anger management
disaster creep that is factual, well reasoned and correct.

> its murder.

Sure. You have managed to murder in your mind all remnants of human
compassion, decency, care and understanding for your fellow humans. Hard
right ego mania, reversion to your during childhood received ultra
conservative indoctrination and pathological sociopathy took full
control over your Alzheimer effected misfiring brain.

How sad!

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
====================
Max wrote:
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> >
> > Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
> >
> >
> **Dunno about you, but, as a male, I have no right to tell a woman what
> she may do with HER body.

** False argument - just as many women are strongly anti abortion as men.

> You should realise that giving birth is one of
> the most deadly acts a woman can engage in.

** Massive false argument - in no way justifies abortion.

> In any case, I fully respect a woman's right not to have an abortion if she wishes.

** MASSIVE fallacy !
Where is forcing women to have abortions a thing?

> Likewise, I respect a woman's right to have a safe abortion,
> should she wish.

** No such natural right exists, so there is nothing to respect.

> And again: Assuming you are a male, then you can stick your opinion
> where the Sun don't shine. This is a woman's choice, not a male's. If a
> woman chooses not to engage in the potentially deadly act of giving
> birth, then she should be supported for her choice.

** TW is a raving on like a lunatic.
Clearly has no grasp on the issue whatever.

...... Phil

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 by: Max - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 00:06 UTC

On 27/06/2022 9:37 am, Ördög wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
> /Auto-snip retarded hard right trolls and their disgusting dumps/
>
>> **It is not an "unborn child". It is a foetus and cannot survive
>> outside a woman's body. If the foetus can survive outside a woman's
>> body, then that is a different matter.
> /snip/
>> **Fortunately, we are not in the US, where fuckwits like you get to
>> dictate what a woman may do with her body.
>>
>
> This is what happens when privileged fundamentalist old farts take
> control of politics and the justice system.
>
> They thrive for enforcing absolute conformity with their anachronistic
> views of society that is better fitting for the 17th century than the
> 21st one.
>
> Basically, if a foetus can not survive outside the uterus even with the
> best medical care modern science has on offer it can not (nor should
> not) be considered as an independent human life.

That's just your opinion. Others see that line as arbitrary.

So what if the foetus needs the mother's body to survive?

That's what being pregnant is about. If you don't want that, then don't
become pregnant.

> No more than a
> cancerous growth is regarded as an individual.

Cancer is not human DNA, so that is a false equivalence.

The fact that that a
> foetus carries the uncertain potential to eventually develop into a real
> functioning human being does not change that fact. Until the point of
> survivable birth the only human that is in existence is the woman who
> caries that foetus as part of her body. And she has the absolute right
> to decide what happens to her body.
> Those theocratic and fundamentalist conservative fuckers who now trying
> to force their will on society in the USA should be regarded no better
> than similar creeps who run those theocratic shit-holes in Iran,
> Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.
> The Xtian fundy Taliban is now full in swing.
>
> BTW if wishful thinkers thought the fundamentalist low-lives in charge
> in the US are now finished with their undermining of modern society they
> could not be more wrong.
> What's next on their agenda:
>
> 1 Banning contraception
> 2 Banning interstate travel for pregnant women.
> 3 Death penalty for abortion providers and the women who use their
>   services.
> 4 Banning gays (the death penalty is considered as an option)
>
> But this list is far from complete...just read some history books on
> 17th century US society to expand your expectations of the upcoming
> horror show. Specially after the Democrats get wiped out after the GOP
> rigged 2022 midterm and the 2024 presidential elections.
>
> Could something like this happen here in OZ?
> If we are not careful to snip this in the bud politically speaking it
> certainly will. We have to break all links between fundamentalist
> religion and politics just as we have to strengthen democracy in order
> to avoid going down the same horrible conservative path as the US does.
>
> --
> Your ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil.

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Trevor Wilson wrote:
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> >>>
> >>> Abortion should be banned - it is killing an unborn child.
>
> If you are a male, then stick your opinions up your arse. This is a
> matter for women.

** Vast majority of abortionists are MEN doing it as a profitable business.
No questions asked, never even speak to the girls & women involved.


The foetus cannot survive without a woman. Therefore,
> it is part of a woman's body.

** Total, stupid fallacy.
It is a NEW individual, not a clone of the mother.
50% are male & may differ blood type and all physical features.

> Therefore, it is a WOMAN'S choice.

** Total fallacy.

If true, women would be legally allowed to kill their born children
- just like farmers may kill unwanted animals.

...... Phil


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