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* UkraineSid Nuncius
+* Re: UkraineJohn Ashby
|`- Re: UkraineMike McMillan
+* Re: UkraineJohn Ashby
|+- Re: UkraineMike McMillan
|+* Re: UkraineNick Odell
||`* Re: UkraineJohn Ashby
|| `- Re: UkraineNick Odell
|+* Re: UkraineChris
||+* Re: UkrainePenny
|||`* Re: UkraineMike McMillan
||| `* Re: UkrainePenny
|||  +* Re: UkraineJenny M Benson
|||  |+- Re: UkrainePaul Herber
|||  |`* Re: UkraineNick Odell
|||  | `* Re: UkraineNick Odell
|||  |  `- Re: UkrainePenny
|||  +* Re: UkraineSerena Blanchflower
|||  |+- Re: UkraineMike McMillan
|||  |+* Re: UkraineJim Easterbrook
|||  ||`- Re: UkraineTony Smith
|||  |+* Re: UkraineJohn Ashby
|||  ||`* Re: UkraineSerena Blanchflower
|||  || +- Re: UkraineTony Smith
|||  || `* Re: UkraineMike McMillan
|||  ||  `* Re: UkraineSid Nuncius
|||  ||   +- Re: UkraineMike McMillan
|||  ||   +- Re: UkraineChris J Dixon
|||  ||   +* Re: Ukrainesteve hague
|||  ||   |`- Re: UkraineNick Odell
|||  ||   `- Re: UkraineChris
|||  |+- Re: UkraineSam Plusnet
|||  |`- Re: UkraineChris
|||  `- Re: UkrainePaul Herber
||`- Re: UkraineJohn Ashby
|`- Re: UkraineJohn Ashby
`* Re: UkraineTony Smith
 `* Re: UkraineMike McMillan
  +- Re: UkraineMike McMillan
  +* Re: UkraineJ. P. Gilliver (John)
  |`- Re: UkraineJohn Ashby
  `- Re: UkraineRosalind Mitchell

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 by: Sid Nuncius - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 07:13 UTC

Nugger.

--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

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 by: John Ashby - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 08:55 UTC

On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> Nugger.
>

Double nugger with sprinkles.

It puts a crisis about an unrisen lemon drizzle cake or an escaped sheep
in perspective.

john

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 by: Mike McMillan - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:17 UTC

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> Nugger.
>>
>
> Double nugger with sprinkles.
>
> It puts a crisis about an unrisen lemon drizzle cake or an escaped sheep
> in perspective.
>
> john
>

Perhaps Jill would care to use her right arm with a well aimed slice of
flapjack…. :-(

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: John Ashby - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:53 UTC

On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> Nugger.
>

Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.

john

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 by: Mike McMillan - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:02 UTC

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> Nugger.
>>
>
> Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
> 1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
> 2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
> possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
> 3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
> Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>
> john
>

All three sound excellent to me!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Nick Odell - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:43 UTC

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:53:25 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> Nugger.
>>
>
>Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
>1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
>2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
>possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
>3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
>Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>
I think the best topical insert for tonight would have been one that
had already been broadcast about forty years ago.[1]

Programme: I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue.
Game: Single line ending for a long-running TV or Radio series.

Willie Rushton (as Walter Gabriel) "'Ere, Ned, me old pal, me old
beauty, what's all those Russian bombers doing over Lakey Hill?"

Nick
[1]All attributions - including this one - are probably wrong[2]
[2]Well, it was about forty years ago but this is how I remember it.

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 by: John Ashby - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:14 UTC

On 24/02/2022 20:43, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:53:25 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>> Nugger.
>>>
>>
>> Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
>> 1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
>> 2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
>> possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
>> 3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
>> Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>>
> I think the best topical insert for tonight would have been one that
> had already been broadcast about forty years ago.[1]
>
> Programme: I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue.
> Game: Single line ending for a long-running TV or Radio series.
>
> Willie Rushton (as Walter Gabriel) "'Ere, Ned, me old pal, me old
> beauty, what's all those Russian bombers doing over Lakey Hill?"
>
> Nick
> [1]All attributions - including this one - are probably wrong[2]
> [2]Well, it was about forty years ago but this is how I remember it.

I remember it as "Since when have they been using B52s for crop spraying?"

john

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 by: Chris - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:55 UTC

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> Nugger.
>>
>
> Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
> 1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
> 2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
> possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
> 3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
> Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>
> john
>

None of the above - though tropicsl inserts there are.

Sincerely Chris

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 by: Nick Odell - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:25 UTC

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:14:36 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 24/02/2022 20:43, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:53:25 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>>> Nugger.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
>>> 1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
>>> 2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
>>> possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
>>> 3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
>>> Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>>>
>> I think the best topical insert for tonight would have been one that
>> had already been broadcast about forty years ago.[1]
>>
>> Programme: I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue.
>> Game: Single line ending for a long-running TV or Radio series.
>>
>> Willie Rushton (as Walter Gabriel) "'Ere, Ned, me old pal, me old
>> beauty, what's all those Russian bombers doing over Lakey Hill?"
>>
>> Nick
>> [1]All attributions - including this one - are probably wrong[2]
>> [2]Well, it was about forty years ago but this is how I remember it.
>
>I remember it as "Since when have they been using B52s for crop spraying.

Yes. That was it!

Nick

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 by: Penny - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:32 UTC

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:55:59 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> scrawled in the dust...

>John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>> Nugger.
>>>
>>
>> Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
>> 1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
>> 2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
>> possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
>> 3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
>> Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>>
>> john
>>
>
>None of the above - though tropicsl inserts there are.

A couple of mentions of windy weather is all I've noticed this week. How
come the Am hasn't flooded?
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: John Ashby - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 05:55 UTC

On 24/02/2022 21:55, Chris wrote:
> John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>> Nugger.
>>>
>>
>> Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
>> 1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
>> 2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
>> possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
>> 3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
>> Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>>
>> john
>>
>
> None of the above - though tropicsl inserts there are.
>
> Sincerely Chris
>

I thought the insertions were more of the Ugandan variety.

john

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 by: Mike McMillan - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:18 UTC

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:55:59 -0000 (UTC), Chris
> <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> scrawled in the dust...
>
>> John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>>> Nugger.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
>>> 1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
>>> 2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
>>> possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
>>> 3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
>>> Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>>>
>>> john
>>>
>>
>> None of the above - though tropicsl inserts there are.
>
> A couple of mentions of windy weather is all I've noticed this week. How
> come the Am hasn't flooded?

All those overweight piggy wiggies waiting for the knackerman drink a lot
of water…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Penny - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:21 UTC

A more basic query regarding Ukraine.

I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different pronunciations of the
place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
Keev.

When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of the
locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: Jenny M Benson - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:27 UTC

On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>
> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different pronunciations of the
> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
> Keev.
>
AIUI (with the usual caveats) is that the Ukranians call it Kyiv and
pronounce that Kee-eve. I think we're a bit behind the times in saying
Kee-ev.

> When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of the
> locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.

My geography is hazy at best but I don't know how many foreign cities
have an Anglicised version of their names which is usually used when
English is being spoken by an English-speaker. I don't think many
English-speakers use the Welsh names of Welsh places. My sister lives
in Northop/Llaneurgain but I have never heard anyone refer to
Llaneurgain. Its church is dedicated to St Eurgain & St Peter but the
newish housing estate across the road is called St Peter's Park.

(1) I once got 2% in a Geog exam and half of that was for putting my
name on the paper correctly.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

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 by: Paul Herber - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:50 UTC

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:27:48 +0000, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>(1) I once got 2% in a Geog exam and half of that was for putting my
>name on the paper correctly.

Shirley that was for putting your name in the correct place.

--
Regards, Paul Herber
https://www.paulherber.co.uk/

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 by: Serena Blanchflower - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:55 UTC

On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>
> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different pronunciations of the
> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
> Keev.

It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city. Avoiding the
Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe, much
appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.

> When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of the
> locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.

I suspect Parisians are secure enough that they really aren't bothered
about what we call them, any more than we mind them calling London
"Londres".

--
Best wishes, Serena
Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them. (A.A. Milne)

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 by: Paul Herber - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:58 UTC

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:21:16 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:

>A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>
>I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different pronunciations of the
>place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
>Keev.
>
>When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of the
>locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.

Many places aren't pronounced correctly by the locals:
Lunnon
Bearmingem
Brissel
Ul
Pairth
Sh*thole

Nu Joysey

--
Regards, Paul Herber
https://www.paulherber.co.uk/

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 by: Mike McMillan - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:54 UTC

Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>
>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different pronunciations of the
>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
>> Keev.
>
>
> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city. Avoiding the
> Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe, much
> appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>
>
>> When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of the
>> locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.
>
> I suspect Parisians are secure enough that they really aren't bothered
> about what we call them, any more than we mind them calling London
> "Londres".
>

We have a londres basket…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Jim Easterbrook - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 16:51 UTC

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:55:48 +0000, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>
> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city. Avoiding the
> Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe, much
> appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.

Kyiv has been the BBC style guide's choice since October 2019.

>> When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of
>> the locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.
>
> I suspect Parisians are secure enough that they really aren't bothered
> about what we call them, any more than we mind them calling London
> "Londres".

I better example might be do you say Gdansk or Danzig?

--
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 by: John Ashby - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:16 UTC

On 25/02/2022 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>
>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different  pronunciations
>> of the
>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
>> Keev.
>
>
> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city.  Avoiding the
> Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe, much
> appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>
>

Which is akin to the debate during the unpleasantness in the Former
Yugoslavia over whether it was Kosovo or Kosova. Fence sitters (guilty)
used Kosov@.

john

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 by: Serena Blanchflower - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:38 UTC

On 25/02/2022 17:16, John Ashby wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>
>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different  pronunciations
>>> of the
>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something
>>> close to
>>> Keev.
>>
>>
>> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
>> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
>> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city.  Avoiding
>> the Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe,
>> much appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>>
>>
>
> Which is akin to the debate during the unpleasantness in the Former
> Yugoslavia over whether it was Kosovo or Kosova. Fence sitters (guilty)
> used Kosov@.

And whether you call the Northern Irish city Derry or Londonderry.

--
Best wishes, Serena
We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope.
(Martin Luther King Jr.)

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On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 16:51:46 UTC, Jim Easterbrook wrote:

> I better example might be do you say Gdansk or Danzig?

I have said "Danzig" in an English sentence to an official at another Polish airport and been understood without comment.

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On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 17:38:51 UTC, Serena Blanchflower wrote:

> And whether you call the Northern Irish city Derry or Londonderry.
>
Normally "Londonderry" but the CofI diocese and cathedral call themselves "Derry" which I might use in a bell-ringing context.

A few years ago we walked past the so-called Free Derry museum and observed that entry was far from free.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 20:41 UTC

On 25-Feb-22 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:

>> When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none
>> of the
>> locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.
>
> I suspect Parisians are secure enough that they really aren't bothered
> about what we call them, any more than we mind them calling London
> "Londres".
>
Some people would not object to "Londres", because they would have no
idea what it meant.

--
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Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 17:16, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>>
>>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different  pronunciations
>>>> of the
>>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something
>>>> close to
>>>> Keev.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
>>> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
>>> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city.  Avoiding
>>> the Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe,
>>> much appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Which is akin to the debate during the unpleasantness in the Former
>> Yugoslavia over whether it was Kosovo or Kosova. Fence sitters (guilty)
>> used Kosov@.
>
> And whether you call the Northern Irish city Derry or Londonderry.
>
>

I’ve heard it refereed to as ‘Stroke City’.

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