Pete Fisher wrote:

> On 23/12/2021 00:00, wessie wrote:
> >"geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:sq0482$465$1@dont-email.me:
> >
> >
> > > Quite nifty that Tous Covid app, it only accepted my
> > > international QR code so that's the one I would need. It also has
> > > a border mode switch so I assume it will be accepted by other
> > > countries as well.It gives the expiry date as 9mths after my
> > > second jab. I've just noticed the NL covid app now gives a
> > > sepearate international QR code for each jab. I got my booster
> > > today so I'll try that QR code in the Tous Covid app when it
> > > comes through.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > yes, the EU has just announced that travellers will need to get a
> > booster or be within 270 days of their 2nd jab to have a valid
> > "passport"
> >
> >
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/travel/how-long-after-getting-the-covid-vaccine-can-i-travel-what-new-9-month-passport-rules-mean-for-eu-holidays-1365445
>
> Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.

Yes, I saw that too,

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/

Lasts for 3 years though and not mandatory until the end of 2022. You
have to get the first Schengen country of entry right though. Cue
retaliatory measures (rushed in at the last moment and don't work
properly) from Boris.

--
Geoff

On Thursday, 23 December 2021 at 07:48:25 UTC, Ace wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 08:39:42 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> I suspect that’s quite close to the truth though, since he lives alone, I
> >> think it’s to get away from the solitude and self-loathing.
> >
> >And the draining, compulsive, masturbation.
> But what's that got to do with working from home?

It's frowned on in most offices.

> Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH9ECC_Qa4

Heh.

El Thu, 23 Dec 2021 10:23:22 +0000, Sqirrel99 escribió:

> Ace wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 08:39:42 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
>> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I suspect that’s quite close to the truth though, since he lives
>>>> alone, I think it’s to get away from the solitude and self-loathing.
>>> And the draining, compulsive, masturbation.
>>
>> But what's that got to do with working from home?
>>
>> Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH9ECC_Qa4
>
> Or this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGg1567fzTY

Been removed. Unless it's geoblocked.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

On 23 Dec 2021 15:20:20 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
wrote:

>El Thu, 23 Dec 2021 10:23:22 +0000, Sqirrel99 escribió:
>
>> Ace wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 08:39:42 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
>>> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I suspect that’s quite close to the truth though, since he lives
>>>>> alone, I think it’s to get away from the solitude and self-loathing.
>>>> And the draining, compulsive, masturbation.
>>>
>>> But what's that got to do with working from home?
>>>
>>> Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH9ECC_Qa4
>>
>> Or this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGg1567fzTY
>
>
>Been removed. Unless it's geoblocked.

I suspect the latter, but I think it's this one, which I can view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW3lhfVpLL4
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 23/12/2021 15:52, Ace wrote:
> On 23 Dec 2021 15:20:20 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> El Thu, 23 Dec 2021 10:23:22 +0000, Sqirrel99 escribió:
>>
>>> Ace wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 08:39:42 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
>>>> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that’s quite close to the truth though, since he lives
>>>>>> alone, I think it’s to get away from the solitude and self-loathing.
>>>>> And the draining, compulsive, masturbation.
>>>>
>>>> But what's that got to do with working from home?
>>>>
>>>> Reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH9ECC_Qa4
>>>
>>> Or this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGg1567fzTY
>>
>>
>> Been removed. Unless it's geoblocked.
>
> I suspect the latter, but I think it's this one, which I can view.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW3lhfVpLL4
>
Yes, that's the same one :-)

--
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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 23/12/2021 10:47, geoffC wrote:
>> Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.
>
> Yes, I saw that too,
>
> https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
>
> Lasts for 3 years though and not mandatory until the end of 2022. You
> have to get the first Schengen country of entry right though. Cue
> retaliatory measures (rushed in at the last moment and don't work
> properly) from Boris.

This is worth a whole thread on its own! Looking at that link:

"The main reason for the approval of the ETIAS authorization is security."

- they missed the word "theatre" off the end.

Filling out the form involves providing "biometric information". Do I
spit on it? No, apparently, this just means your name. Since when did
your name become "biometric information"?

Also involves providing "education and work experience"? Again, wtf? I'm
sorry, you been refused entry to Paris because you're too thick to
appreciate the Louvre?

"Background and eligibility questions will inquire about your medical
condition, travel to war countries or places where you were deported or
rejected, as well as criminal records

- apparently this will still only take 10 minutes to fill out.

"For family members of EU citizens from other countries, you must submit
proof of relationship, residence card, and other background information"

- I don't even understand what this means? Suppose I'm married to a
French citizen but we want to go to Spain on holiday: do I need to give
details of a marriage certificate?

"If what you filled out on the application form is correct, and you are
eligible and not risky for the ETIAS, then you will be approved. This
whole procedure is expected to be completed in only a few minutes."

- ding, ding, ding. And there we have the reason for the €7 fee - it's
basically a credit check. Oh, and a wholesale shipping of quite
intrusive personal data to Experian. (The only non-negative is that they
probably have it already.) So much for the EU being the champions of
data rights.

What if you're denied? Well, apparently: "You could appeal to this
decision or based on the denial reason, you can adjust your application
and try again."

- so terrorists get to keep re-trying until they get through. €7 a time
is really going to dent their war chests.

"Every rejected applicant has the right to appeal the decision when
he/she has proof the decision has been taken unjustly or by mistake."

- do we get to see the source code for the rules the computer will be
applying? I thought not.

"Do I need to attend an interview for ETIAS? The ETIAS National Unit of
the Member State responsible might invite the applicant for an interview."

- which involves a trip to where exactly? The Member State - which is an
EU coutnry - which you can't visit without an ETIAS? Facepalm.

"Is ETIAS a visa? No. The ETIAS authorisation is not a visa. An ETIAS
travel authorisation does not reintroduce visa-like obligations. There
is no need to go to a consulate to make an application, no biometric
data is collected ..."

- Errm, have you read your own document?

And then of course, the 6 million dollar question : what if you're
visiting from Northern Ireland?

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

In article <f60303fd-2d87-d92a-004f-
3cb2943ffccc@scorecrow.com>, Bruce Horrocks says...
> And then of course, the 6 million dollar question : what if you're
> visiting from Northern Ireland?

NI citizens can get themselves an Irish passport, problem
solved.

Pretty sure the staunch Unionists will do this on the sly.

Ace wrote:

> >> I suspect that’s quite close to the truth though, since he lives
> alone, I >> think it’s to get away from the solitude and
> self-loathing.
> >
> > And the draining, compulsive, masturbation.

How's retirement going?

--
Simon

Bruce Horrocks wrote:

> On 23/12/2021 10:47, geoffC wrote:
> > > Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.
> >
> > Yes, I saw that too,
> >
> > https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
> >
> > Lasts for 3 years though and not mandatory until the end of 2022.
> > You have to get the first Schengen country of entry right though.
> > Cue retaliatory measures (rushed in at the last moment and don't
> > work properly) from Boris.
>
> This is worth a whole thread on its own! Looking at that link:
>
> "The main reason for the approval of the ETIAS authorization is
> security."
>
> - they missed the word "theatre" off the end.
>
> Filling out the form involves providing "biometric information". Do I
> spit on it? No, apparently, this just means your name. Since when did
> your name become "biometric information"?
>
> Also involves providing "education and work experience"? Again, wtf?
> I'm sorry, you been refused entry to Paris because you're too thick
> to appreciate the Louvre?
>
> "Background and eligibility questions will inquire about your medical
> condition, travel to war countries or places where you were deported
> or rejected, as well as criminal records
>
> - apparently this will still only take 10 minutes to fill out.
>
> "For family members of EU citizens from other countries, you must
> submit proof of relationship, residence card, and other background
> information"
>
> - I don't even understand what this means? Suppose I'm married to a
> French citizen but we want to go to Spain on holiday: do I need to
> give details of a marriage certificate?
>
> "If what you filled out on the application form is correct, and you
> are eligible and not risky for the ETIAS, then you will be approved.
> This whole procedure is expected to be completed in only a few
> minutes."
>
> - ding, ding, ding. And there we have the reason for the €7 fee -
> it's basically a credit check. Oh, and a wholesale shipping of quite
> intrusive personal data to Experian. (The only non-negative is that
> they probably have it already.) So much for the EU being the
> champions of data rights.
>
> What if you're denied? Well, apparently: "You could appeal to this
> decision or based on the denial reason, you can adjust your
> application and try again."
>
> - so terrorists get to keep re-trying until they get through. €7 a
> time is really going to dent their war chests.
>
> "Every rejected applicant has the right to appeal the decision when
> he/she has proof the decision has been taken unjustly or by mistake."
>
> - do we get to see the source code for the rules the computer will be
> applying? I thought not.
>
> "Do I need to attend an interview for ETIAS? The ETIAS National Unit
> of the Member State responsible might invite the applicant for an
> interview."
>
> - which involves a trip to where exactly? The Member State - which is
> an EU coutnry - which you can't visit without an ETIAS? Facepalm.
>
>
> "Is ETIAS a visa? No. The ETIAS authorisation is not a visa. An ETIAS
> travel authorisation does not reintroduce visa-like obligations.
> There is no need to go to a consulate to make an application, no
> biometric data is collected ..."
>
> - Errm, have you read your own document?
>
> And then of course, the 6 million dollar question : what if you're
> visiting from Northern Ireland?

I had assumed that it was just a wannabe copy of the system for the US?

--
Geoff

petrolcan wrote:

> In article <f60303fd-2d87-d92a-004f-
> 3cb2943ffccc@scorecrow.com>, Bruce Horrocks says...
>
> > And then of course, the 6 million dollar question : what if you're
> > visiting from Northern Ireland?
>
> NI citizens can get themselves an Irish passport, problem
> solved.
>
> Pretty sure the staunch Unionists will do this on the sly.

There you go, obviously a dastardly plot from the EU, 'Reunion by
stealth'

--
Geoff

On 24/12/2021 10:19, geoffC wrote:
> Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>
>> On 23/12/2021 10:47, geoffC wrote:
>>>> Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.
>>>
>>> Yes, I saw that too,
>>>
>>> https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
>>>
<snip>

>> "Is ETIAS a visa? No. The ETIAS authorisation is not a visa. An ETIAS
>> travel authorisation does not reintroduce visa-like obligations.
>> There is no need to go to a consulate to make an application, no
>> biometric data is collected ..."
>>
>> - Errm, have you read your own document?
>>
>> And then of course, the 6 million dollar question : what if you're
>> visiting from Northern Ireland?
>
> I had assumed that it was just a wannabe copy of the system for the US?
>

Does it also ask this?

4. Do you seek to engage in or have you ever engaged in terrorist
activities, espionage, sabotage, or genocide?

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:

> Does it also ask this?
>
> 4. Do you seek to engage in or have you ever engaged in terrorist
> activities, espionage, sabotage, or genocide?

My favorite question on a government form (Federal Form 4473 if
you're curious):

Q. Are you a fugitive from justice?

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On 24/12/2021 17:14, Mark Olson wrote:
> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Does it also ask this?
>>
>> 4. Do you seek to engage in or have you ever engaged in terrorist
>> activities, espionage, sabotage, or genocide?
>
> My favorite question on a government form (Federal Form 4473 if
> you're curious):
>
> Q. Are you a fugitive from justice?
>

<G>

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 06:05:45 UTC, sweller wrote:
> Ace wrote:
>
> > >> I suspect that’s quite close to the truth though, since he lives
> > alone, I >> think it’s to get away from the solitude and
> > self-loathing.
> > >
> > > And the draining, compulsive, masturbation.
> How's retirement going?

Tiring.

On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC, Mark Olson wrote:

> My favorite question on a government form (Federal Form 4473 if
> you're curious):
>
> Q. Are you a fugitive from justice?

I can't remember the exact questions on the visa on arrival form you used
to fill in on flights to the US but there were two questions that made me smirk.

One asked if I was a WW2 war criminal.
The other asked if I was guilty of Moral Turpitude.

Happy days.

On Thursday, 23 December 2021 at 23:05:54 UTC, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 23/12/2021 10:47, geoffC wrote:
> >> Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.
> >
> > Yes, I saw that too,
> >
> > https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
> >
> > Lasts for 3 years though and not mandatory until the end of 2022. You
> > have to get the first Schengen country of entry right though. Cue
> > retaliatory measures (rushed in at the last moment and don't work
> > properly) from Boris.
> This is worth a whole thread on its own! Looking at that link:
>
> "The main reason for the approval of the ETIAS authorization is security."
>
> - they missed the word "theatre" off the end.
<snip>

It's what so many UK citizens, sorry 'subjects', voted for.

If you've a problem with it whine at the charlatans who encouraged the stupid
to vote for brexit.

YTC#1 wrote:

> On 24/12/2021 10:19, geoffC wrote:
> > Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> >
> > > On 23/12/2021 10:47, geoffC wrote:
> > > > > Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I saw that too,
> > > >
> > > > https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
> > > >
> <snip>
>
> > > "Is ETIAS a visa? No. The ETIAS authorisation is not a visa. An
> > > ETIAS travel authorisation does not reintroduce visa-like
> > > obligations. There is no need to go to a consulate to make an
> > > application, no biometric data is collected ..."
> > >
> > > - Errm, have you read your own document?
> > >
> > > And then of course, the 6 million dollar question : what if you're
> > > visiting from Northern Ireland?
> >
> > I had assumed that it was just a wannabe copy of the system for the
> > US?
> >
>
> Does it also ask this?
>
> 4. Do you seek to engage in or have you ever engaged in terrorist
> activities, espionage, sabotage, or genocide?

Sole purpose of visit ;-)

--
Geoff

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 6:03:18 PM UTC, stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC, Mark Olson wrote:
>
> > My favorite question on a government form (Federal Form 4473 if
> > you're curious):
> >
> > Q. Are you a fugitive from justice?
> I can't remember the exact questions on the visa on arrival form you used
> to fill in on flights to the US but there were two questions that made me smirk.
>
> One asked if I was a WW2 war criminal.
> The other asked if I was guilty of Moral Turpitude.

Someone once told me that they ask that because if they find out you are, then
they don't have to go through a long legal process, they just throw you out for
lying on the visa form.

No idea if that's really true.

--
WUN

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 23:05:50 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>On 23/12/2021 10:47, geoffC wrote:
>>> Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.
>>
>> Yes, I saw that too,
>>
>> https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
>>
>> Lasts for 3 years though and not mandatory until the end of 2022. You
>> have to get the first Schengen country of entry right though. Cue
>> retaliatory measures (rushed in at the last moment and don't work
>> properly) from Boris.

>This is worth a whole thread on its own! Looking at that link:

It's got its whole own website: https://etias.com/

Looking at https://etias.com/etias-application:
"The ETIAS will be live in 2023. Travellers that are currently able to
visit EU Schengen countries without a visa, will not need to apply for
ETIAS until 2023."

It's a large international IT project. It'll be late
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:03:14 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, 24 December 2021 at 17:14:41 UTC, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>> My favorite question on a government form (Federal Form 4473 if
>> you're curious):
>>
>> Q. Are you a fugitive from justice?
>
>I can't remember the exact questions on the visa on arrival form you used
>to fill in on flights to the US but there were two questions that made me smirk.
>
>One asked if I was a WW2 war criminal.
>The other asked if I was guilty of Moral Turpitude.

<grin>

The moral turpitude question always used to amuse me too. I always
wondered what it was, and why I didn't get invited to the sort of
parties where I could be guilty of it
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 19:56:34 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:

>> 4. Do you seek to engage in or have you ever engaged in terrorist
>> activities, espionage, sabotage, or genocide?

>Sole purpose of visit ;-)

Thank you Gilbert Harding [1] [2]

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-briefly-1485576.html
[2] a web search also finds this attributed to Peter O'Toole, and
various others
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 25/12/2021 09:56, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 23:05:50 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/12/2021 10:47, geoffC wrote:
>>>> Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.
>>>
>>> Yes, I saw that too,
>>>
>>> https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
>>>
>>> Lasts for 3 years though and not mandatory until the end of 2022. You
>>> have to get the first Schengen country of entry right though. Cue
>>> retaliatory measures (rushed in at the last moment and don't work
>>> properly) from Boris.
>
>> This is worth a whole thread on its own! Looking at that link:
>
> It's got its whole own website: https://etias.com/
>
> Looking at https://etias.com/etias-application:
> "The ETIAS will be live in 2023. Travellers that are currently able to
> visit EU Schengen countries without a visa, will not need to apply for
> ETIAS until 2023."
>
> It's a large international IT project. It'll be late

The UK isn't involved so it should be on time.

Champ wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 19:56:34 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
> >> 4. Do you seek to engage in or have you ever engaged in terrorist
> >> activities, espionage, sabotage, or genocide?
>
> > Sole purpose of visit ;-)
>
> Thank you Gilbert Harding [1] [2]
>
> [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-briefly-1485576.html
> [2] a web search also finds this attributed to Peter O'Toole, and
> various others

Yeah, I heard it attributed to Michael Foot.

--
Geoff

On 25/12/2021 17:07, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 25/12/2021 09:56, Champ wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 23:05:50 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
>> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/12/2021 10:47, geoffC wrote:
>>>>> Plus a 7 Euro 'visa' from 2022 apparently.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I saw that too,
>>>>
>>>> https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/
>>>>
>>>> Lasts for 3 years though and not mandatory until the end of 2022. You
>>>> have to get the first Schengen country of entry right though. Cue
>>>> retaliatory measures (rushed in at the last moment and don't work
>>>> properly) from Boris.
>>
>>> This is worth a whole thread on its own! Looking at that link:
>>
>> It's got its whole own website: https://etias.com/
>>
>> Looking at https://etias.com/etias-application:
>> "The ETIAS will be live in 2023. Travellers that are currently able to
>> visit EU Schengen countries without a visa, will not need to apply for
>> ETIAS until 2023."
>>
>> It's a large international IT project.  It'll be late
>
> The UK isn't involved so it should be on time.

That was my thought :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/