On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 09:45:15 +0100, Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article <5f893d29-df97-4d57-9682-4cbdb13d0a04n@googlegroups.com>,
> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Err, UK currency went metric too.
>
>> ** Still " pounds and pence " like I said.
>
>UK currency is decimal, not 'metric'. We just kept the names after a short
>time of using terms like "new pence" and "old pence".
>
>Jim

There was an attempt to go decimal many years ago. I have a two
shilling piece that bears the words "One florin - one tenth of a
pound". I'm not where it is right now, so I can't tell you the date.

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On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:29:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <iqmvipFb9j2U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>> > The chaos is that schools in the UK have only taught the metric system for
>> > years now. So only very old farts remember pounds and ounces. And only
>> > extremely thick ones won't understand kilos after all these years.
>> >
>
>> **You've hit the nail on the head. A pitifully insignificant 5% of the
>> planet's population has clung to Imperial measurements. The logic of the
>> Metric system is impossible to ignore. We are base 10 creatures and have
>> been for a very long time.
>
>> 16 ozs = 1lb
>> 14lbs = 1 stone
>> 22240lbs = 1 Ton
>
>> WTF were they thinking.
>
>> The French get a lot of stuff wrong, but the Metric system is not one of
>> them.
>
>I'm a bit ambivalent about it. The imperial measuring system - based on
>bits of the body - may actually have been more practical to use for
>practical things. Like building work and so on where you're not going to
>work to millimetre accuracy. For tech drawing, of course, metric is far
>more convenient.

I'm not so much bothered about the units, which are totally arbitrary.
My issue with US measurements is their insistence on using fractions
of an inch rather than decimals. It makes comparison at anything other
than the grossest accuracy really hard. You can't just add a decimal
place to increase precision.

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On 20/09/2021 7:37 pm, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:29:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <iqmvipFb9j2U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>> The chaos is that schools in the UK have only taught the metric system for
>>>> years now. So only very old farts remember pounds and ounces. And only
>>>> extremely thick ones won't understand kilos after all these years.
>>>>
>>
>>> **You've hit the nail on the head. A pitifully insignificant 5% of the
>>> planet's population has clung to Imperial measurements. The logic of the
>>> Metric system is impossible to ignore. We are base 10 creatures and have
>>> been for a very long time.
>>
>>> 16 ozs = 1lb
>>> 14lbs = 1 stone
>>> 22240lbs = 1 Ton
>>
>>> WTF were they thinking.
>>
>>> The French get a lot of stuff wrong, but the Metric system is not one of
>>> them.
>>
>> I'm a bit ambivalent about it. The imperial measuring system - based on
>> bits of the body - may actually have been more practical to use for
>> practical things. Like building work and so on where you're not going to
>> work to millimetre accuracy. For tech drawing, of course, metric is far
>> more convenient.
>
> I'm not so much bothered about the units, which are totally arbitrary.
> My issue with US measurements is their insistence on using fractions
> of an inch rather than decimals. It makes comparison at anything other
> than the grossest accuracy really hard. You can't just add a decimal
> place to increase precision.
>
> d
>

**America is weird. I recall driving down an LA freeway and seeing a
sign that read Culver City Turnoff 5 3/8ths miles. Jeez. I don't recall
seeing an odometer in an American car that reads in fractions of a mile.

Dave Plowman (Moron) wrote:
==========================
>
> > > > the US Gallon is much smaller than ours was.
>
> > ** It's really only a bit smaller and it never matters in practice.
>
> Crikey. That must explain the things you've built. Measurements only need
> to be approximate.

** The UK uses their gallons & the USA uses theirs.
Both as precisely as needed.

Now, kindly stick you fat head up a dead donkey's arse.

....... Phil

Trevor Wilson Raving Psycho Autistic wrote:
=====================================
>
> **America is weird. I recall driving down an LA freeway and seeing a
> sign that read Culver City Turnoff 5 3/8ths miles.
>Jeez. I don't recall
> seeing an odometer in an American car that reads in fractions of a mile.

** Obvious mechanical reasons.

All short horse, car and boat racing is in miles and 1/8 ths.
IOW: " furlongs".

One eighth of a mile.
Or ten chains.
Each 22 yards like a cricket pitch.

Four .....

...... Phil

On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 19:55:06 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 20/09/2021 7:37 pm, Don Pearce wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:29:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
>> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <iqmvipFb9j2U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> The chaos is that schools in the UK have only taught the metric system for
>>>>> years now. So only very old farts remember pounds and ounces. And only
>>>>> extremely thick ones won't understand kilos after all these years.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> **You've hit the nail on the head. A pitifully insignificant 5% of the
>>>> planet's population has clung to Imperial measurements. The logic of the
>>>> Metric system is impossible to ignore. We are base 10 creatures and have
>>>> been for a very long time.
>>>
>>>> 16 ozs = 1lb
>>>> 14lbs = 1 stone
>>>> 22240lbs = 1 Ton
>>>
>>>> WTF were they thinking.
>>>
>>>> The French get a lot of stuff wrong, but the Metric system is not one of
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> I'm a bit ambivalent about it. The imperial measuring system - based on
>>> bits of the body - may actually have been more practical to use for
>>> practical things. Like building work and so on where you're not going to
>>> work to millimetre accuracy. For tech drawing, of course, metric is far
>>> more convenient.
>>
>> I'm not so much bothered about the units, which are totally arbitrary.
>> My issue with US measurements is their insistence on using fractions
>> of an inch rather than decimals. It makes comparison at anything other
>> than the grossest accuracy really hard. You can't just add a decimal
>> place to increase precision.
>>
>> d
>>
>
>**America is weird. I recall driving down an LA freeway and seeing a
>sign that read Culver City Turnoff 5 3/8ths miles. Jeez. I don't recall
>seeing an odometer in an American car that reads in fractions of a mile.

The sign writers presumably know how car odometers work. It really
shouldn't be beyond them to make their signage match.

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In article <70770e22-80ac-4e5a-a32a-d290375612d9n@googlegroups.com>,
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave Plowman (Moron) wrote:
> ==========================
> >
> > > > > the US Gallon is much smaller than ours was.
> >
> > > ** It's really only a bit smaller and it never matters in practice.
> >
> > Crikey. That must explain the things you've built. Measurements only need
> > to be approximate.

> ** The UK uses their gallons & the USA uses theirs.
> Both as precisely as needed.

But the difference doesn't matter in practice.

> Now, kindly stick you fat head up a dead donkey's arse.

Once you've been hoisted by your own petard, pet, best to stop digging.

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On 20/09/2021 9:46 pm, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 19:55:06 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 20/09/2021 7:37 pm, Don Pearce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:29:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
>>> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <iqmvipFb9j2U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> The chaos is that schools in the UK have only taught the metric system for
>>>>>> years now. So only very old farts remember pounds and ounces. And only
>>>>>> extremely thick ones won't understand kilos after all these years.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> **You've hit the nail on the head. A pitifully insignificant 5% of the
>>>>> planet's population has clung to Imperial measurements. The logic of the
>>>>> Metric system is impossible to ignore. We are base 10 creatures and have
>>>>> been for a very long time.
>>>>
>>>>> 16 ozs = 1lb
>>>>> 14lbs = 1 stone
>>>>> 22240lbs = 1 Ton
>>>>
>>>>> WTF were they thinking.
>>>>
>>>>> The French get a lot of stuff wrong, but the Metric system is not one of
>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a bit ambivalent about it. The imperial measuring system - based on
>>>> bits of the body - may actually have been more practical to use for
>>>> practical things. Like building work and so on where you're not going to
>>>> work to millimetre accuracy. For tech drawing, of course, metric is far
>>>> more convenient.
>>>
>>> I'm not so much bothered about the units, which are totally arbitrary.
>>> My issue with US measurements is their insistence on using fractions
>>> of an inch rather than decimals. It makes comparison at anything other
>>> than the grossest accuracy really hard. You can't just add a decimal
>>> place to increase precision.
>>>
>>> d
>>>
>>
>> **America is weird. I recall driving down an LA freeway and seeing a
>> sign that read Culver City Turnoff 5 3/8ths miles. Jeez. I don't recall
>> seeing an odometer in an American car that reads in fractions of a mile.
>
> The sign writers presumably know how car odometers work. It really
> shouldn't be beyond them to make their signage match.
>
> d
>

**I was talking about America. They still think universal health care is
stupid.

Dave Plowman (Fucking Moron) wrote:
------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > > > > the US Gallon is much smaller than ours was.
> > >
> > > > ** It's really only a bit smaller and it never matters in practice.
> > >
> > > Crikey. That must explain the things you've built. Measurements only need
> > > to be approximate.
>
> > ** The UK uses their gallons & the USA uses theirs.
> > Both as precisely as needed.
>
> But the difference doesn't matter in practice.

** Correct.

No go back to fucking dead donkeys.

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================
>
> **I was talking about America.
> They still think universal health care is stupid.

** Not stupid but unaffordable.
And the way the US does things it would be.

Medical professionals ALL expect to become wealthy.
Millions of American have shares ( direct or indirect) in big Pharma.
Pricing of pharmaceuticals is unregulated.
Hospitals are "cash cow" businesses for millions.
Medical insurance companies make huge profits.

Gotta change the culture drastically, so medicine is a government supplied service.
Like it is here and the UK.

....... Phil

On 21/09/2021 8:06 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
> =================
>>
>> **I was talking about America.
>> They still think universal health care is stupid.
>
> ** Not stupid but unaffordable.
> And the way the US does things it would be.
>
> Medical professionals ALL expect to become wealthy.
> Millions of American have shares ( direct or indirect) in big Pharma.
> Pricing of pharmaceuticals is unregulated.
> Hospitals are "cash cow" businesses for millions.
> Medical insurance companies make huge profits.
>
> Gotta change the culture drastically, so medicine is a government supplied service.
> Like it is here and the UK.

**Yep. FWIW: My current GP is a refugee from the UK. He spent 22 years
working in the NHS. He reckons the NHS is excellent, but the Aussie
system is superior. I can spend 30 minutes with him. Apparently, that
doesn't happen in the UK system.

The US system is just completely fucked. 62% of personal bankruptcies
are due to medical expenses:

https://legaljobs.io/blog/bankruptcy-statistics/

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================
>
> >
> > Medical professionals ALL expect to become wealthy.
> > Millions of American have shares ( direct or indirect) in big Pharma.
> > Pricing of pharmaceuticals is unregulated.
> > Hospitals are "cash cow" businesses for millions.
> > Medical insurance companies make huge profits.
> >
> > Gotta change the culture drastically, so medicine is a government supplied service.
> > Like it is here and the UK.
>
> The US system is just completely fucked. 62% of personal bankruptcies
> are due to medical expenses:
>

** Change the percentage into a number.
Then you get about 1 in 300 of the pop each year.

FYI:

Most things in the USA are "completely fucked".
Everything that goes on is connected *directly* to politics and money.
Yanks make no effort to separate them, as we do.

Politicians control the police and courts, directly.
Big business controls politicians.
The media controls who gets elected.
The president has dictator like powers and controls the military.
Non compulsory voting ruins fair elections.

It sure as hell ain't no "democracy".

...... Phil

On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:40:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 21/09/2021 8:06 am, Phil Allison wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> =================
>>>
>>> **I was talking about America.
>>> They still think universal health care is stupid.
>>
>> ** Not stupid but unaffordable.
>> And the way the US does things it would be.
>>
>> Medical professionals ALL expect to become wealthy.
>> Millions of American have shares ( direct or indirect) in big Pharma.
>> Pricing of pharmaceuticals is unregulated.
>> Hospitals are "cash cow" businesses for millions.
>> Medical insurance companies make huge profits.
>>
>> Gotta change the culture drastically, so medicine is a government supplied service.
>> Like it is here and the UK.
>
>
>**Yep. FWIW: My current GP is a refugee from the UK. He spent 22 years
>working in the NHS. He reckons the NHS is excellent, but the Aussie
>system is superior. I can spend 30 minutes with him. Apparently, that
>doesn't happen in the UK system.
>
>The US system is just completely fucked. 62% of personal bankruptcies
>are due to medical expenses:
>
>https://legaljobs.io/blog/bankruptcy-statistics/

When I fell of my bike and damaged my ulnar nerve in my hand, I went
to my local NHS hospital's Accident and Emergency department. The
doctor I saw was one of Europe's top Neurosurgeons and I was with him
for over an hour. Admittedly we were mostly going through his huge
range of equipment talking about how it worked.
But be assured, if you need treatment in a hurry, it is right there
for you. Likewise with specialist needs. What can be a little slow is
routine surgery that is more about inconvenience than immediate
danger.
And this all happens at a per capita tax bill half that of the USA,
where you get nothing without personal insurance, and even then you
will probably have to find the first three grand yourself for any
treatment.

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In article <1c280d0c-f999-44fc-bb76-5ec44336ec32n@googlegroups.com>, Phil
Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote: =================
> >
> > **I was talking about America. They still think universal health care
> > is stupid.

> ** Not stupid but unaffordable. And the way the US does things it would
> be.

> Gotta change the culture drastically, so medicine is a government
> supplied service. Like it is here and the UK.

Alas, for some decades now, UK Governments have, by stealth, been gradually
adding US methods, companies, etc, into the way the NHS operates.

In effect, these - in financial terms - are a sort of reintroduction of
leeches into medical care, albeit financial ones! They are one of the
really big reasons the costs of the NHS have been rising.

Another will be the likely changes to UK law which - until now - has
allowed the NHS to bulk buy 'generic' medications which the USA still have
under USA patents. The big companies are *very* keen to change that, and
probably will now we are cosying up to the USA. The result will be a big
rise in the costs the NHS will have to pay for medications.

Jim

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In article <iqskf5Fdt2cU1@mid.individual.net>, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> **Yep. FWIW: My current GP is a refugee from the UK. He spent 22 years
> working in the NHS. He reckons the NHS is excellent, but the Aussie
> system is superior. I can spend 30 minutes with him. Apparently, that
> doesn't happen in the UK system.

Indeed. You're lucky of you get 10 mins. And our personal experience is
that the outcome is often a form of "No idea what's wrong. Don't care. Piss
off". Usually phrased as "If it gets any worse come back and see me." ...
when you get the same response again. Diganostic tests tend to be avoided,
as do referrals to specialists because the *GP* then has to pay for that
out of their 'budget'.

In the end, people who can afford to, pay to go 'private' to bypass this. I
had to do so a few years ago. I'd reported symptoms for about 15 years,
getting worse. Got the above response every time. Finally paid to see a
specialist. They diagnosed the problem in 5 mins. Then transferred me to
their NHS list as they had better resources there. So in the end I *did*
see a specialist and did get a diagnosis, etc. But not via my GP. Had to go
round them. However it cost me quite a lot to get there and many people may
not be able to afford that.

I *hated* going private! Not because of the cost to me. But because it
meant I was accepting the scandle and paying into it when others could not
and weren't getting the diagnosis or treatment they needed.

This is in Scotland which hasn't made all the 'reforms' made 'down south'.
So it is almost certainly worse in England. And this ignores the real
problems with 'social care' being even worse.

Jim

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In article <61498dcc.487000@news.eternal-september.org>, Don Pearce
<spam@spam.com> wrote:
> When I fell of my bike and damaged my ulnar nerve in my hand, I went to
> my local NHS hospital's Accident and Emergency department. The doctor I
> saw was one of Europe's top Neurosurgeons and I was with him for over an
> hour. Admittedly we were mostly going through his huge range of
> equipment talking about how it worked. But be assured, if you need
> treatment in a hurry, it is right there for you.

Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.

Our local ambulance station is just a couple of streets away. We can hear
the 'music' when they go out on a shout. Until recent years when I 999'd
because Chris had hurt herself during a fit they'd come shortly after I
opened the front door for them to come straight in. We were/are well ken't
customers.

But in recent years *before* covid the delays has risen. In one case they
came over 2 hours after the call. By then Chris's head had almost stopped
bleeding and she'd insisted on going to bed. (In the confusion she can have
after a fit she had no idea she was bleeding.) She was OK, but might not
have been.

More recently delays have become very long due to covid. But the above was
well before that.

Jim

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:32:10 +0100, Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article <61498dcc.487000@news.eternal-september.org>, Don Pearce
><spam@spam.com> wrote:
>> When I fell of my bike and damaged my ulnar nerve in my hand, I went to
>> my local NHS hospital's Accident and Emergency department. The doctor I
>> saw was one of Europe's top Neurosurgeons and I was with him for over an
>> hour. Admittedly we were mostly going through his huge range of
>> equipment talking about how it worked. But be assured, if you need
>> treatment in a hurry, it is right there for you.
>
>Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.
>
>Our local ambulance station is just a couple of streets away. We can hear
>the 'music' when they go out on a shout. Until recent years when I 999'd
>because Chris had hurt herself during a fit they'd come shortly after I
>opened the front door for them to come straight in. We were/are well ken't
>customers.
>
>But in recent years *before* covid the delays has risen. In one case they
>came over 2 hours after the call. By then Chris's head had almost stopped
>bleeding and she'd insisted on going to bed. (In the confusion she can have
>after a fit she had no idea she was bleeding.) She was OK, but might not
>have been.
>
>More recently delays have become very long due to covid. But the above was
>well before that.
>
>Jim

I've had no call on the NHS for many years now, so it is quite
possible that things have decayed some. And of course COVID has
stretched resources to breaking point. I guess there is also the
reality that some areas will be better served than others.

Also, new treatments tend to be technological and expensive. The money
for that has to come from somewhere and while demand is not widespread
it is reasonable and cost-effective to leave it outside the mainstream
of the NHS. So for specialist treatment, I have no problem with
sub-contraction to the private sector.

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In article <iqskf5Fdt2cU1@mid.individual.net>,
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> **Yep. FWIW: My current GP is a refugee from the UK. He spent 22 years
> working in the NHS. He reckons the NHS is excellent, but the Aussie
> system is superior. I can spend 30 minutes with him. Apparently, that
> doesn't happen in the UK system.

Trying to think just why you'd need 30 minutes with your GP?

Few years ago I went to my GP with what turned out to be a fairly major
thing. After 5 minutes chat she decided a specialist was the way, and I
was in hospital having all the appropriate tests and checks done within a
week. With treatment started soon afterwards.

I read a FB group about this condition - much of it from the US. And
there, many of their 'GPs' seem to attempt a treatment before finally
passing it on to experts. And delaying proper treatment not a good thing.

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In article <596f5dd6aanoise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> This is in Scotland which hasn't made all the 'reforms' made 'down
> south'. So it is almost certainly worse in England. And this ignores the
> real problems with 'social care' being even worse.

I have been treated by my local London NHS hospital over the past three
years or so. Everything done promptly and on time - even through Covid.
Although that did cause some disruption - I had to go to different clinics
in the area, including a private one. But had the same medical team there.

Brother, in Scotland, has rather mixed results. But is very proud of the
free parking. ;-)

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On 23/09/2021 1:56 am, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <iqskf5Fdt2cU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>> **Yep. FWIW: My current GP is a refugee from the UK. He spent 22 years
>> working in the NHS. He reckons the NHS is excellent, but the Aussie
>> system is superior. I can spend 30 minutes with him. Apparently, that
>> doesn't happen in the UK system.
>
> Trying to think just why you'd need 30 minutes with your GP?

**Quite a bit. I needed to discuss the use of a medication for a short
period, some treatment of Solar keratoses on my face (froze with liquid
nitrogen), a discussion of my recent blood tests and subsequent dietary
alterations (no more chocolate!!!!) and, of course, a short discussion
of how his wife is coping (she is a doctor in a major hospital). Oh and
if my suggestions re. repairs to his car are going (the air bag warning
light is permanently on). My suggestion to replace any electrolytic caps
in the control unit was bang-on. So, quite a bit to squeeze into 30 minutes.

>
> Few years ago I went to my GP with what turned out to be a fairly major
> thing. After 5 minutes chat she decided a specialist was the way, and I
> was in hospital having all the appropriate tests and checks done within a
> week. With treatment started soon afterwards.
>
> I read a FB group about this condition - much of it from the US. And
> there, many of their 'GPs' seem to attempt a treatment before finally
> passing it on to experts. And delaying proper treatment not a good thing.

**I had an accident in the back yard about 2 years ago. A branch sprung
back and hit me in the my socket. I began seeing flashes of light, so I
went to my GP, thinking I had a detached retina. He immediately phoned
the eye specialist and arranged an appointment within the hour. I
attended the eye specialist, who, after a lengthy consultation,
explained that I didn't have a detached retina, but if I ever
experienced the symptoms of one, I needed to present to an eye surgeon
IMMEDIATELY. 24 hours is the limit. After that - blindness. Anyway, I
was pleased that the GP acted quickly.

In article <05dad9ef-8f2a-464f-98b2-69109ac6ed67n@googlegroups.com>,
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> scribeth thus
> Trevor Wilson Raving Psycho Autistic wrote:
>=====================================
>>
>> **America is weird. I recall driving down an LA freeway and seeing a
>> sign that read Culver City Turnoff 5 3/8ths miles.
>>Jeez. I don't recall
>> seeing an odometer in an American car that reads in fractions of a mile.
>
>** Obvious mechanical reasons.
>
>All short horse, car and boat racing is in miles and 1/8 ths.
>IOW: " furlongs".
>

Yep, horse racing commentary wouldn't sound the same!..

>One eighth of a mile.
>Or ten chains.
>Each 22 yards like a cricket pitch.

The railways in the UK always use miles and chains for measuring
distances!...
>
>Four .....
>
>
>..... Phil
>
>
>
>

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In article <596f5cc869noise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> In effect, these - in financial terms - are a sort of
> reintroduction of leeches into medical care, albeit financial ones!
> They are one of the really big reasons the costs of the NHS have
> been rising.

At a time of a major health crisis and the annual cry of 'Winter
crisis ahead, we need more money'. How can they decide to spend huge
sums of money on a rash 'diversity managers'?

It is not possible to give the NHS *enough* money because new
treatments, poor management, empire building and waste will always
soak it up. Each department must make sure that its budget is spent
in full each year to avoid a budget cut, that's the nature of the
public sector.

Bob.

In article <ir1krqFcpumU1@mid.individual.net>,
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> > Trying to think just why you'd need 30 minutes with your GP?

> **Quite a bit. I needed to discuss the use of a medication for a short
> period, some treatment of Solar keratoses on my face (froze with liquid
> nitrogen), a discussion of my recent blood tests and subsequent dietary
> alterations (no more chocolate!!!!)

And your GP did all this treatment? If not, surely talking to the
specialist who did more to the point?

> and, of course, a short discussion of how his wife is coping (she is a
> doctor in a major hospital). Oh and if my suggestions re. repairs to
> his car are going (the air bag warning light is permanently on). My
> suggestion to replace any electrolytic caps in the control unit was
> bang-on. So, quite a bit to squeeze into 30 minutes.

Right. ;-)

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In article <59705d6fedbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <596f5cc869noise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
> Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> > In effect, these - in financial terms - are a sort of
> > reintroduction of leeches into medical care, albeit financial ones!
> > They are one of the really big reasons the costs of the NHS have
> > been rising.

> At a time of a major health crisis and the annual cry of 'Winter
> crisis ahead, we need more money'. How can they decide to spend huge
> sums of money on a rash 'diversity managers'?

I know the cry always goes up that the NHS should spend money on medical
staff rather than admin. But without decent admin there would be far fewer
fewer patients treated properly at a large hospital. As the doctors etc
would have to do their own.

> It is not possible to give the NHS *enough* money because new
> treatments, poor management, empire building and waste will always
> soak it up. Each department must make sure that its budget is spent
> in full each year to avoid a budget cut, that's the nature of the
> public sector.

And you've never seen empire building in the private sector? It's a
function of decent admin - to stop that happening.

> Bob.

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In article <597088bd6bdave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59705d6fedbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,

> > At a time of a major health crisis and the annual cry of 'Winter
> > crisis ahead, we need more money'. How can they decide to spend
> > huge sums of money on a rash 'diversity managers'?

> I know the cry always goes up that the NHS should spend money on
> medical staff rather than admin. But without decent admin there
> would be far fewer fewer patients treated properly at a large
> hospital. As the doctors etc would have to do their own.

The NHS is knee deep in admin staff and managers earning more than
the PM. You'll also have your work cut out to explain to me why the
NHS is taking on diversity managers at a reported 70K each or why it
is re-writing its paper work for "pregnant people".

Objective truth has no meaning and priorities are screwed in modern
woke Britain. Idiocy is now the norm.

Bob.