On 16/10/2022 15:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> It won't be light damage to a pipe if adding gunge to an olive sorts it.
>

There is also the problem with applying gunge to an olive on a good
pipe. The olive may not be compressed enough to to produce a sealed join
but the gunge will stop it immediately leaking. Later when the gunge has
dried out a bit or water has eroded it the connection leaks.
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On 17/10/2022 09:56, alan_m wrote:
> On 16/10/2022 15:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> It won't be light damage to a pipe if adding gunge to an olive sorts it.
>>
>
>
> There is also the problem with applying gunge to an olive on a good
> pipe. The olive may not be compressed enough to to produce a sealed join
> but the gunge will stop it immediately leaking. Later when the gunge has
> dried out a bit or water has eroded it the connection leaks.

I think LS-X and others like it harden on contact with water. It's not
the sort of stuff that dries out?

Fredxx wrote:

> I think LS-X and others like it harden on contact with water. It's not the sort
> of stuff that dries out?

LS-X specifically states it will never harden, that's what makes it useful in
edge cases ..

On 17/10/2022 18:51, Andy Burns wrote:
> Fredxx wrote:
>
>> I think LS-X and others like it harden on contact with water. It's not
>> the sort of stuff that dries out?
>
> LS-X specifically states it will never harden, that's what makes it
> useful in edge cases ..

Ok, I mean losing it's fluidity? And retaining elasticity? To a lay
person I would call that hardening irrespective of what is claimed by
the manufacturer.

In article <dc955cca-5474-4669-a722-e88cdec7dc35n@googlegroups.com>,
Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It won't be light damage to a pipe if adding gunge to an olive sorts it.

> incorrect. Old pipes with minor surface imperfections are widespread. Olives aren't designed to cope with that, but add a smear of gloop & they do fine.

Minor surface imperfections can be removed by proper cleaning. As you
should do at any joint.

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On Tuesday, 18 October 2022 at 15:29:28 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <dc955cca-5474-4669...@googlegroups.com>,
> Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It won't be light damage to a pipe if adding gunge to an olive sorts it.
>
> > incorrect. Old pipes with minor surface imperfections are widespread. Olives aren't designed to cope with that, but add a smear of gloop & they do fine.
> Minor surface imperfections can be removed by proper cleaning. As you
> should do at any joint.

no they can't. This is getting like a pantomime.

On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 03:59:42 UTC+1, rod.sp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:13:07 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 15 October 2022 at 17:04:23 UTC+1, rod.sp...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >> On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 02:23:10 +1100, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 15/10/2022 15:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> >> >> In article <150aed37-f06c-4ecb...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> On Wednesday, 12 October 2022 at 16:09:05 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News)
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> In article <05c94002-0d4f-4347...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >>>> Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>> Used pipe can be nicked, dented etc, on a tiny scale, and gloop
> >> can
> >> >>>>> fill
> >> >>>>> those tiny imperfections helping it seal. Olives bend into place
> >> but
> >> >>>>> their ability to fill dents is limited.
> >> >>>> Then clean the pipe properly before fitting. If any damage beyond
> >> >>>> cleaning, cut it back to good.
> >> >>
> >> >>> You joke surely. Or maybe you only work on new builds.
> >> >> If I came across a pipe so badly damaged it couldn't accept a
> >> fitting,
> >> >> I'd
> >> >> replace it.
> >>
> >> > Do you have any insurance?
> >> Only what is compulsory.
> >> > If a pipe is lightly damaged but can take an olive, it is simply an
> >> > insurance policy to add a sealant, just in case there is a void under
> >> > the olive.
> >>
> >> > What is so difficult about that?
> >> What is so difficult about replacing the pipe to ensure that there can't
> >> be a problem ?
> >
> > It's completely pointless
> Nope, it eliminates the possibility that the union won't work properly.
> > & doesn't ensure there can't be a problem.
> Corse it does.

I wan'y going to bother replying. But...
If you remove an old run of pipe you're left with the end of another run of old pipe.
And thus the chance of a bad joint is not eliminated.
I expect all of us bar Rodney were aware of that.
If you reply I'm not likely to bother. You're a moron.

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 08:13:02 +1100, Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 03:59:42 UTC+1, rod.sp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:13:07 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, 15 October 2022 at 17:04:23 UTC+1, rod.sp...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 02:23:10 +1100, Fredxx <fre...@spam.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 15/10/2022 15:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> >> >> In article <150aed37-f06c-4ecb...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> On Wednesday, 12 October 2022 at 16:09:05 UTC+1, Dave Plowman
>> (News)
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> In article <05c94002-0d4f-4347...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >>>> Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> Used pipe can be nicked, dented etc, on a tiny scale, and gloop
>> >> can
>> >> >>>>> fill
>> >> >>>>> those tiny imperfections helping it seal. Olives bend into
>> place
>> >> but
>> >> >>>>> their ability to fill dents is limited.
>> >> >>>> Then clean the pipe properly before fitting. If any damage
>> beyond
>> >> >>>> cleaning, cut it back to good.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> You joke surely. Or maybe you only work on new builds.
>> >> >> If I came across a pipe so badly damaged it couldn't accept a
>> >> fitting,
>> >> >> I'd
>> >> >> replace it.
>> >>
>> >> > Do you have any insurance?
>> >> Only what is compulsory.
>> >> > If a pipe is lightly damaged but can take an olive, it is simply an
>> >> > insurance policy to add a sealant, just in case there is a void
>> under
>> >> > the olive.
>> >>
>> >> > What is so difficult about that?

>> >> What is so difficult about replacing the pipe to ensure that there
>> can't
>> >> be a problem ?

>> > It's completely pointless

>> Nope, it eliminates the possibility that the union won't work properly.

>> > & doesn't ensure there can't be a problem.

>> Corse it does.

> I wan'y going to bother replying.

Yeah, even you sometimes notices what a hole you have dug for yourself.

> But...
> If you remove an old run of pipe you're left with the end of another run
> of old pipe.

But not one that you have no viable alternative to a compression joint
with, stupid.

> And thus the chance of a bad joint is not eliminated.

Wrong, as always.

<reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>

On 18/10/2022 15:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <dc955cca-5474-4669-a722-e88cdec7dc35n@googlegroups.com>,
> Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It won't be light damage to a pipe if adding gunge to an olive sorts it.
>
>> incorrect. Old pipes with minor surface imperfections are widespread. Olives aren't designed to cope with that, but add a smear of gloop & they do fine.
>
> Minor surface imperfections can be removed by proper cleaning. As you
> should do at any joint.
>

My experience with plumbing is only DIY but over the years I've done a
lot of it including joining on to old copper pipework and I've never
come across a pipe so badly damaged that is couldn't be cleaned to take
a compression fitting without having to resort to applying any gunge or
tape to the olive.

Even painted pipes can be cleaned enough at the ends to take a solder or
compression fitting.

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On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 02:26:30 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
> On 18/10/2022 15:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article <dc955cca-5474-4669...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> It won't be light damage to a pipe if adding gunge to an olive sorts it.
> >
> >> incorrect. Old pipes with minor surface imperfections are widespread. Olives aren't designed to cope with that, but add a smear of gloop & they do fine.
> >
> > Minor surface imperfections can be removed by proper cleaning. As you
> > should do at any joint.
> >
> My experience with plumbing is only DIY but over the years I've done a
> lot of it including joining on to old copper pipework and I've never
> come across a pipe so badly damaged that is couldn't be cleaned to take
> a compression fitting without having to resort to applying any gunge or
> tape to the olive.
>
> Even painted pipes can be cleaned enough at the ends to take a solder or
> compression fitting.

Any copper pipe can be soldered of course.