On 21/10/2022 05:34, charles wrote:
> In article <ebk3lhdlgji6uk8fodlni7gem7gdrpqoqb@4ax.com>,
> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 21:17:11 +0100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>
>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:43:05 +0100
>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That was done in 2008. There was never going to be a good way to
>>> restore interest rates to something that would allow an economy to
>>> function properly, not with the kind of debt the government had run up.
>>>
>>> Zero (for all practical purposes) interest turns economies into casinos,
>>> with production forgotten. When unimaginably huge amounts of forgery,
>>> sorry, Quantitative Easing, are added, how can a disaster be avoided?
>>>
>>> Truss was just the proverbial Last Straw, and may have been chosen for
>>> exactly that role, though it is more likely that was intended for
>>> Sunak, and the wretched Party members threw a spanner into the works.
>>>
>>> Whose idea was it to present the members with a choice between just
>>> those two? OK, the Conservatives (like the other parties) are a bit
>>> short of visibly competent MPs, but...Truss?
>
>> The Establishment didn't want to risk the members electing a *true*
>> Conservative - which they *would* have done, given the chance.
>
> Certainly the current "Conservatives" are nothing like the ones I supported
> in the 1960s/70s.
>
They are nothing like the ones whose sons and daughters I knew in the
1970s. I didn't vote for anyone back then. I am proud to say I have
never voted Labour OR Tory.

Ever.
--
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

On 20/10/2022 23:20, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 20/10/2022 19:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly present
>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>
>> Looks like it will be Boris, Mordaunt or Fishi.
>> My bet is that it will be Boris.
>
> The bookies don't agree with you, so you should be able to get good odds.

He may indeed win though. Rumour is The Boris will get about 140 backers
and if it goes to the senile delinquents in the grass roots Tory party
members they will vote for their populist demagogue The Boris again.

I agree with TNP on this (although I'm not happy about it).
My constituency MP is Rishi Sunak and he is damn good and hard working.

>> Unless the MPS decide that losing their seats and the next election is
>> preferable, which given the flak they are likely to get as the world
>> economic and renewable energy fuck up unrolls, is likely to be
>> considerable.
>
> Boris is the reason that the Conservatives started to be less popular
> than Labour. It all went pear shaped after Partygate. I don't see him
> being the person to reverse the trend.

They don't care about that. They still think he is an electoral asset.
They will only find out that he isn't at the next General Election - or
perhaps sooner if the Tory Party itself fractures in two as a result.

ERG Knuckle Draggers vs Reasonable One Nation Tories

Putting someone in power who doesn't do detail is a really bad idea in
this situation where we really need someone very competent like Rishi,
but I'm afraid he will like William Hague and Michael Heseltine be yet
another brilliant hard working Prime Minister that we never had.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 21/10/2022 05:32, charles wrote:
> In article <op.1ucym6q1byq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 07:17:11 +1100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>
>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:43:05 +0100 Martin Brown
>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That was done in 2008.
>
>> But Brown isnt earning huge after dinner speech fees.
>
>>> There was never going to be a good way to restore interest rates to
>>> something that would allow an economy to function properly, not with
>>> the kind of debt the government had run up.
>
>> Have fun explaining why there is now.
>
>>> Zero (for all practical purposes) interest turns economies into
>>> casinos, with production forgotten. When unimaginably huge amounts of
>>> forgery, sorry, Quantitative Easing, are added, how can a disaster be
>>> avoided?
>
>> The US economy is doing fine.
>
>>> Truss was just the proverbial Last Straw, and may have been chosen for
>>> exactly that role, though it is more likely that was intended for
>>> Sunak,
>
>> Don't buy that conspiracy theory.
>
>>> and the wretched Party members threw a spanner into the works.
>
>> There is a real tendency to throw a woman or 'colored' person under the
>> bus when the shit has hit the fan, but that doesnt explain why they chose
>> to politically assassinate Boris.
>
> Boris was a lier.
>
Boris wasn't establishment enough, and he failed to finish Brexit,
sacked the only brains in the offing and got fixated on Carries Green Crack.
He lost sup[port from brexciteers, and yhe lost support from remainres
as well.

So They pushed him out to get a real remainer in - Sunak.

Unfortunatly the membership rumbled that and got behind the only
alternative - Liz Truss.

So they united to destroy her.

--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On 21/10/2022 09:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 21/10/2022 05:32, charles wrote:
>> In article <op.1ucym6q1byq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 07:17:11 +1100, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:43:05 +0100 Martin Brown
>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That was done in 2008.
>>
>>> But Brown isnt earning huge after dinner speech fees.
>>
>>>> There was never going to be a good way to restore interest rates to
>>>> something that would allow an economy to function properly, not with
>>>> the kind of debt the government had run up.
>>
>>> Have fun explaining why there is now.
>>
>>>> Zero (for all practical purposes) interest turns economies into
>>>> casinos, with production forgotten. When unimaginably huge amounts of
>>>> forgery, sorry, Quantitative Easing, are added, how can a disaster be
>>>> avoided?
>>
>>> The US economy is doing fine.
>>
>>>> Truss was just the proverbial Last Straw, and may have been chosen for
>>>> exactly that role, though it is more likely that was intended for
>>>> Sunak,
>>
>>> Don't buy that conspiracy theory.
>>
>>>> and the wretched Party members threw a spanner into the works.
>>
>>> There is a real tendency to throw a woman or 'colored' person under the
>>> bus when the shit has hit the fan, but that doesnt explain why they
>>> chose
>>> to politically assassinate Boris.
>>
>> Boris was a lier.
>>
> Boris wasn't establishment enough, and he failed to finish Brexit,
> sacked the only brains in the offing and got fixated on Carries Green
> Crack.
> He lost sup[port from brexciteers, and yhe lost support from remainres
> as well.
>
> So They pushed him out to get a real remainer in - Sunak.
>
>
> Unfortunatly the membership rumbled that and got behind the only
> alternative - Liz Truss.
>
> So they united to destroy her.

Your logic is flawed. Any destruction was self-inflicted.

If there was any "setting up" then she and her advisers were too dim to
see it.

On 20/10/2022 19:37, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 04:43:05 +1100, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>
>> She will have to *pay* people to attend her after dinner speeches.
>>
>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>
>> Coffey is even worse - same effect as Mogadon at the Party Conference.
>>
>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly present
>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>
>> Rishi Sunak was robbed for telling the truth. He described in great
>> detail exactly if the senile delinquents of the Tory faithful elected
>> a swivel eyed loon simpleton like Truss to be Prime Minister.
>>
>> They are now completely unelectable and deserve to be out of power for
>> at least a decade
>
> No chance of that.

Only time will tell.

Right now they would be annihilated (and fully deserve it too).

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:42:53 +1100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

> On 20/10/2022 19:37, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 04:43:05 +1100, Martin Brown
>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>>
>>> She will have to *pay* people to attend her after dinner speeches.
>>>
>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>
>>> Coffey is even worse - same effect as Mogadon at the Party Conference.
>>>
>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly present
>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>
>>> Rishi Sunak was robbed for telling the truth. He described in great
>>> detail exactly if the senile delinquents of the Tory faithful elected
>>> a swivel eyed loon simpleton like Truss to be Prime Minister.
>>>
>>> They are now completely unelectable and deserve to be out of power for
>>> at least a decade
>> No chance of that.
>
> Only time will tell.

Time has told. The UK voters have only ever once
given Labour more than a single term and that was
when Blair/Brown were Labour in name only.

> Right now they would be annihilated (and fully deserve it too).

We'll see...

2.5 years is a very long time in politics.

On 21/10/2022 00:30, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:22:22 +1100, Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 20/10/2022 21:17, Joe wrote:
>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:43:05 +0100
>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  That was done in 2008. There was never going to be a good way to
>>> restore interest rates to something that would allow an economy to
>>> function properly, not with the kind of debt the government had run up.
>>>  Zero (for all practical purposes) interest turns economies into
>>> casinos,
>>> with production forgotten. When unimaginably huge amounts of forgery,
>>> sorry, Quantitative Easing, are added, how can a disaster be avoided?
>>>  Truss was just the proverbial Last Straw, and may have been chosen for
>>> exactly that role, though it is more likely that was intended for
>>> Sunak, and the wretched Party members threw a spanner into the works.
>>>  Whose idea was it to present the members with a choice between just
>>> those two? OK, the Conservatives (like the other parties) are a bit
>>> short of visibly competent MPs, but...Truss?
>
>> I suspect it was a plan that went wrong.
>
> Just another silly conspiracy theory.

It is the Conservative Party. Conspiracies are to be expected from them.

>
>> Mordaunt was expected to beat Sunak if they ended up as the last two,
>> so the party contrived to put him up against somebody they didn't
>> think would win.

--
Colin Bignell

On 21 Oct 2022 at 05:32:22 BST, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> Boris was a lier.

You mean he lay around? Well, we knew that.

--
The EU Parliament. The only parliament in the world that can neither initiate nor repeal legislation.

Robert Kimbell

On 21/10/2022 09:59, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:42:53 +1100, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 20/10/2022 19:37, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 04:43:05 +1100, Martin Brown
>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>>>
>>>> She will have to *pay* people to attend her after dinner speeches.
>>>>
>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>
>>>> Coffey is even worse - same effect as Mogadon at the Party Conference.
>>>>
>>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly present
>>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>>
>>>> Rishi Sunak was robbed for telling the truth. He described in great
>>>> detail exactly if the senile delinquents of the Tory faithful
>>>> elected a swivel eyed loon simpleton like Truss to be Prime Minister.
>>>>
>>>> They are now completely unelectable and deserve to be out of power
>>>> for at least a decade
>>>  No chance of that.
>>
>> Only time will tell.
>
> Time has told. The UK voters have only ever once
> given Labour more than a single term and that was
> when Blair/Brown were Labour in name only.
>
>> Right now they would be annihilated (and fully deserve it too).
>
> We'll see...
>
> 2.5 years is a very long time in politics.

Assuming they get that long without enough Tory MPs backing a vote of no
confidence, which just might happen if Boris gets back in.

--
Colin Bignell

On 21/10/2022 10:19, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 21/10/2022 00:30, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:22:22 +1100, Colin Bignell
>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/10/2022 21:17, Joe wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:43:05 +0100
>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  That was done in 2008. There was never going to be a good way to
>>>> restore interest rates to something that would allow an economy to
>>>> function properly, not with the kind of debt the government had run up.
>>>>  Zero (for all practical purposes) interest turns economies into
>>>> casinos,
>>>> with production forgotten. When unimaginably huge amounts of forgery,
>>>> sorry, Quantitative Easing, are added, how can a disaster be avoided?
>>>>  Truss was just the proverbial Last Straw, and may have been chosen for
>>>> exactly that role, though it is more likely that was intended for
>>>> Sunak, and the wretched Party members threw a spanner into the works.
>>>>  Whose idea was it to present the members with a choice between just
>>>> those two? OK, the Conservatives (like the other parties) are a bit
>>>> short of visibly competent MPs, but...Truss?
>>
>>> I suspect it was a plan that went wrong.
>>
>> Just another silly conspiracy theory.
>
> It is the Conservative Party. Conspiracies are to be expected from them.
>
I would counter with another viewpoint.

Which is cheaper, drilling another gas well, or buying enough
politicians and civil servants to make gas de facto *mandatory* for a
country to use, by mandating 'renewable energy' knowing that there is no
storage technology that works, so gas backup is the only real
alternative? And so doubling the profit on what gas you have already
drilled?

Then get your windmills subsidised as well for a double whammy, and
smash the nuclear industry by creating false scares that mean yet more
lovely regulation - that makes them too expensive to build.

Which is cheaper, to gamble a billion on currency markets, or to buy a
chancellor and a top civil servant, or a few EU commissioners and ECB
and BOE chiefs to manipulate the currency markets by generating a scare
about political policies?.

I got close enough when I was swinging large sums of money to know that
I was being encouraged to commit fraud, take back handers, rip off
shareholders by the likes of the biggest accountants in the world -
Arthur Andersens.
Now vanished in sub prime scandal I think.

The city boys are pirates. Con men and frauds. They are totally profit
motivated and they don't care who gets hurt. But they are very good at
it. And do make money for the nation off it. Think Francis Drake and
'letters of marque and reprisal' Legalised piracy.

It's all corrupt at that level, just as it is in an African banana
republic, only its way more sophisticated. Commissions, non executive
directorships, hot chicks and Peruvian marching powder that you end up
getting photographed with, and subsequently blackmailed over. Ive seen
it all. Its real. Its not just in thrillers. Look at Prince Andrew.

Liz Truss didn't play ball, which is to her credit, so they crucified her.

Her crime was naïveté.

I think that Cameron had enough conscience to step down after having
done a (deliberately) shit enough job on remain to ensure it failed. A
clever move. He looked to the powers that be as if he had really tried,
and failed. May just caved instantly. Boris must have told them that a
certain appearance of Brexit was necessary, but he would do the minimum
he could get away with. Which is all he did.

>>
>>> Mordaunt was expected to beat Sunak if they ended up as the last two,
>>> so the party contrived to put him up against somebody they didn't
>>> think would win.
>

--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

On 21/10/2022 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 20/10/2022 23:20, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 20/10/2022 19:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly present
>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>
>>> Looks like it will be Boris, Mordaunt or Fishi.
>>> My bet is that it will be Boris.
>>
>> The bookies don't agree with you, so you should be able to get good odds.
>
> He may indeed win though. Rumour is The Boris will get about 140 backers
> and if it goes to the senile delinquents in the grass roots Tory party
> members they will vote for their populist demagogue The Boris again.
>
> I agree with TNP on this (although I'm not happy about it).
> My constituency MP is Rishi Sunak and he is damn good and hard working.

Boris seems to agree, as he is said to be trying to get Rishi Sunak to
join forces with him, rather than to stand against him.

>>> Unless the MPS decide that losing their seats and the next election
>>> is preferable, which given the flak they are likely to get as the
>>> world economic and renewable energy fuck up unrolls, is likely to be
>>> considerable.
>>
>> Boris is the reason that the Conservatives started to be less popular
>> than Labour. It all went pear shaped after Partygate. I don't see him
>> being the person to reverse the trend.
>
> They don't care about that. They still think he is an electoral asset.
> They will only find out that he isn't at the next General Election - or
> perhaps sooner if the Tory Party itself fractures in two as a result.
>
> ERG Knuckle Draggers vs Reasonable One Nation Tories
>
> Putting someone in power who doesn't do detail is a really bad idea in
> this situation where we really need someone very competent like Rishi,
> but I'm afraid he will like William Hague and Michael Heseltine be yet
> another brilliant hard working Prime Minister that we never had.
>

--
Colin Bignell

On 20/10/2022 23:20, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 20/10/2022 19:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly present
>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>
>> Looks like it will be Boris, Mordaunt or Fishi.
>> My bet is that it will be Boris.
>
> The bookies don't agree with you, so you should be able to get good odds.
>
>> Unless the MPS decide that losing their seats and the next election is
>> preferable, which given the flak they are likely to get as the world
>> economic and renewable energy fuck up unrolls, is likely to be
>> considerable.
>
> Boris is the reason that the Conservatives started to be less popular
> than Labour. It all went pear shaped after Partygate. I don't see him
> being the person to reverse the trend.
>

All this is true, but Boris is the only one capable of winning an
election if they put him in to make speeches and get someone else to run
the country. Which has already been done.

The problem is how much more Brexit can be trashed before the tories
irrespective of leader, get dumped altogether for - say - a breakaway
faction joining the Reform party

People don't like Sunak. And they dint trust Mordaunt either

No matter how much the MPs may yearn for them.

For the MPs its a simple choice. Who is better able to guarantee their
seats? Rishi and a massive policy of arrogantly imposes austerity, or
bumbling but cuddly Boris, who can lie exceptionally well and play at
being humble too, or Penny Rayner - sorry Mordaunt - who has never done
an honest days work in her life and looks like it.

We now realise that policy is irrelevant. The EU and the bankers are
dictating economic policy, and Putin and the Arabs are dictating energy
policy, and will ensure we stick to renewables in order to be utterly
dependent on their gas.
So fracking will not be allowed and every attempt to build a nuclear
power station will be blocked by regulatory issues.

So we are going to be raped whatever happens.

And we will be steered viciously back into the EU. Because its simpler
to bribe and blackmail an unelected EU that it is to have lots of
nations with independently elected people running their own affairs. Its
simply cheaper and less obvious than e.g. crucifying Liz Truss with a
raid on the FX and bond markets to panic her into sacking her chancellor.

Whether the EU itself will survive the coming storm is the next question.

The old Eastern bloc countries understand what a centralised power bloc
of centrally appointed apparatchiks does to you, and want to retain a
lot more independence than the EU is prepared to let them.

The other salient issues, is whether or not the people behind global
economic and energy policy can remain in control once their utter
incompetence has destroyed the national geese that lay their golden eggs.

The problem is, that on paper they are smart,and they now own everything
and everyone else is in debt, BUT if everyone defaults on their debt,
they end up owning worthless paper.

Money, that is not backed by actual gold, is a confidence trick. If
your money suddenly loses peoples trust, you have nothing at all of any
tangible worth.

So it doesn't matter who wins the Tory party leadership election. The
policies wont change and the destruction of Britain's economy and
culture wont change.

If anybody tries, and Liz genuinely and perhaps naively did - the tory
PM will change, that's all.

This is why since Blair, all policy has been about fox hunting,
renewable energy, gender and race politics. None of it has really been
about wealth creation or infrastructure development. Because they want
you poor, to scared to have sex in case you offend someone and too
sacred of upsetting someone to be candid.
That's why they tacitly encourage anti-fossil fuel campaigners. That's
why they don't mind importing millions of potential vassals who can be
relied upon to be their vassals in the low paid jobs.

Its neo fascism, neo puritanism and neo vassalage.

And the Liberal Left love it, because they are useful idiots who think
they wont be raped, but will in fact just be be raped last. Before
being sent to the gulags.

The power of propaganda and state and media fed lies is the story if the
21st century. How far can you go in bribery, corruption, blackmail and
lies, before the truth crashes down around your ears? Vladimir Putin
looks like the first of the great propagandists to topple.

The globalists all want control, but they may end up controlling an
empty structure than no one ascribes to any more.

Popcorn?

--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On 21/10/2022 11:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 21/10/2022 09:59, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:42:53 +1100, Martin Brown
>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/10/2022 19:37, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 04:43:05 +1100, Martin Brown
>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the
>>>>>> lecture
>>>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>>>>
>>>>> She will have to *pay* people to attend her after dinner speeches.
>>>>>
>>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>>
>>>>> Coffey is even worse - same effect as Mogadon at the Party Conference.
>>>>>
>>>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly
>>>>>> present
>>>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rishi Sunak was robbed for telling the truth. He described in great
>>>>> detail exactly if the senile delinquents of the Tory faithful
>>>>> elected a swivel eyed loon simpleton like Truss to be Prime Minister.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are now completely unelectable and deserve to be out of power
>>>>> for at least a decade
>>>>  No chance of that.
>>>
>>> Only time will tell.
>>
>> Time has told. The UK voters have only ever once
>> given Labour more than a single term and that was
>> when Blair/Brown were Labour in name only.
>>
>>> Right now they would be annihilated (and fully deserve it too).
>>
>> We'll see...
>>
>> 2.5 years is a very long time in politics.
>
> Assuming they get that long without enough Tory MPs backing a vote of no
> confidence, which just might happen if Boris gets back in.
>
>
I dont think so.

Remember Sunak was not voted for by the majority of Tory party members,
who are their core vote, and he is even less liked outside the tory
party. That's why Liz got in.

They face a dichotomy. They would like a proper smooth technocratic
corrupt filthy rich globalist - Fishi Rishi - but he wont win them an
election. And that still matters.

Boris if he grovels enough and gets something right for a change, or
gets someone else to get something right, and doesn't listen to Carrie
too much, just might.

They are torn between pleasing the electorate and pleasing the people
who really run government.

Don't even think Penny Mordaunt. Theresa May with bigger tits.

About as much use as Angela Rayner.

--
“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established
authorities are wrong.”

― Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV

On 21/10/2022 12:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 21/10/2022 11:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 21/10/2022 09:59, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:42:53 +1100, Martin Brown
>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/10/2022 19:37, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 04:43:05 +1100, Martin Brown
>>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the
>>>>>>> lecture
>>>>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for
>>>>>>> speech-making,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She will have to *pay* people to attend her after dinner speeches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coffey is even worse - same effect as Mogadon at the Party
>>>>>> Conference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly
>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rishi Sunak was robbed for telling the truth. He described in
>>>>>> great detail exactly if the senile delinquents of the Tory
>>>>>> faithful elected a swivel eyed loon simpleton like Truss to be
>>>>>> Prime Minister.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are now completely unelectable and deserve to be out of power
>>>>>> for at least a decade
>>>>>  No chance of that.
>>>>
>>>> Only time will tell.
>>>
>>> Time has told. The UK voters have only ever once
>>> given Labour more than a single term and that was
>>> when Blair/Brown were Labour in name only.
>>>
>>>> Right now they would be annihilated (and fully deserve it too).
>>>
>>> We'll see...
>>>
>>> 2.5 years is a very long time in politics.
>>
>> Assuming they get that long without enough Tory MPs backing a vote of
>> no confidence, which just might happen if Boris gets back in.
>>
>>
> I dont think so.
>
> Remember Sunak was not voted for by the majority of Tory party members,
> who are their core vote, and he is even less liked outside the tory
> party. That's why Liz got in.
>
> They face a dichotomy. They would like a proper smooth technocratic
> corrupt filthy rich globalist - Fishi Rishi -  but he wont win them an
> election. And that still matters.
>
> Boris if he grovels enough and gets something right for a change, or
> gets someone else to get something right, and doesn't listen to Carrie
> too much, just might.

Boris can't afford not to, if he wants to remain an MP. Even a minority
Labour government would almost certainly take his seat.

>
> They are torn between pleasing the electorate and pleasing the people
> who really run government.
>
> Don't even think Penny Mordaunt. Theresa May with bigger tits.
>
> About as much use as Angela Rayner.
>
>

--
Colin Bignell

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 06:15:32 -0000 (UTC), Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

>Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>
>> She will have to *pay* people to attend her after dinner speeches.
>>
>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>
>
>Boris is doing ok and, with Sunak, he is responsible for the huge National
>Debt. He also sabotaged BREXIT, followed the crazy net zero policy, and
>caused thousands of unnecessary deaths with his Lockdowns.
>
>Truss, in comparison, was just getting started at showing the damage she
>could do.

She managed to squeeze in some sell-out deal committing the UK to
pledge armed forces under the EU's direction. She was barely in long
enough to get her feet under the table and that one thing was what she
prioritized. That tells us all we need to know about her.

A PM's globalist controllers require but two things from them: run up
the national debt for one, and get those immigrants coming in en masse
for another. Apart from those two objectives, they can do as they
please, 'cos it won't matter anyway in the long run.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 06:22:25 -0000 (UTC), Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

>Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 20/10/2022 19:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly present
>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>
>>> Looks like it will be Boris, Mordaunt or Fishi.
>>> My bet is that it will be Boris.
>>
>> The bookies don't agree with you, so you should be able to get good odds.
>>
>>> Unless the MPS decide that losing their seats and the next election is
>>> preferable, which given the flak they are likely to get as the world
>>> economic and renewable energy fuck up unrolls, is likely to be
>>> considerable.
>>
>> Boris is the reason that the Conservatives started to be less popular
>> than Labour. It all went pear shaped after Partygate. I don't see him
>> being the person to reverse the trend.
>>
>
>Not to mention his record, he didn’t deliver on a single promise /
>commitment - those he claimed to have delivered were fudged, like BREXIT -
>which he sabotaged- and the vaccination programme which was one of the
>slowest in the developed World in terms of vaccinations / day. European
>countries, which were slow to start due to EU incompetence, once they got
>vaccine were delivering it to arms at 1m / day. We NEVER achieved that,
>even with a head start and it being promised the day the first (also
>fudged) milestone was reached.
>
>
>Boris is a bumbling, dishonest, incompetent- even by the low standards of
>MPs, his standards are low.

All true, but bizarrely, he might be the one candidate to rescue the
Tories from 10 years in the wilderness, because so many voters have
the crazy idea that he deserves another go! They must be bonkers.

On 21/10/2022 14:03, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 06:22:25 -0000 (UTC), Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
>
>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2022 19:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the lecture
>>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly present
>>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>>
>>>> Looks like it will be Boris, Mordaunt or Fishi.
>>>> My bet is that it will be Boris.
>>>
>>> The bookies don't agree with you, so you should be able to get good odds.
>>>
>>>> Unless the MPS decide that losing their seats and the next election is
>>>> preferable, which given the flak they are likely to get as the world
>>>> economic and renewable energy fuck up unrolls, is likely to be
>>>> considerable.
>>>
>>> Boris is the reason that the Conservatives started to be less popular
>>> than Labour. It all went pear shaped after Partygate. I don't see him
>>> being the person to reverse the trend.
>>>
>>
>> Not to mention his record, he didn’t deliver on a single promise /
>> commitment - those he claimed to have delivered were fudged, like BREXIT -
>> which he sabotaged- and the vaccination programme which was one of the
>> slowest in the developed World in terms of vaccinations / day. European
>> countries, which were slow to start due to EU incompetence, once they got
>> vaccine were delivering it to arms at 1m / day. We NEVER achieved that,
>> even with a head start and it being promised the day the first (also
>> fudged) milestone was reached.
>>
>>
>> Boris is a bumbling, dishonest, incompetent- even by the low standards of
>> MPs, his standards are low.
>
> All true, but bizarrely, he might be the one candidate to rescue the
> Tories from 10 years in the wilderness, because so many voters have
> the crazy idea that he deserves another go! They must be bonkers.

Have you seen the alternatives?
Penny 'Tits' Mordaunt, continuity May...
Fishi Sunak - everyone's least favourite over privileged continuity
Cameron...
Smarmy Starmy, with the personality and vision of roadkill
'Bikeshed' Rayner, The tart with a fart.
Lets face it these people are selected on the basis of being
unintelligent, ambitious, corruptible, compromised and serial liars.

At least Boris can be faintly amusing.

--
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 20:19:18 +1100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 21/10/2022 00:30, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:22:22 +1100, Colin Bignell
>> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/10/2022 21:17, Joe wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:43:05 +0100
>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That was done in 2008. There was never going to be a good way to
>>>> restore interest rates to something that would allow an economy to
>>>> function properly, not with the kind of debt the government had run
>>>> up.
>>>> Zero (for all practical purposes) interest turns economies into
>>>> casinos,
>>>> with production forgotten. When unimaginably huge amounts of forgery,
>>>> sorry, Quantitative Easing, are added, how can a disaster be avoided?
>>>> Truss was just the proverbial Last Straw, and may have been chosen
>>>> for
>>>> exactly that role, though it is more likely that was intended for
>>>> Sunak, and the wretched Party members threw a spanner into the works.
>>>> Whose idea was it to present the members with a choice between just
>>>> those two? OK, the Conservatives (like the other parties) are a bit
>>>> short of visibly competent MPs, but...Truss?
>>
>>> I suspect it was a plan that went wrong.
>> Just another silly conspiracy theory.

> It is the Conservative Party. Conspiracies are to be expected from them.

Only by bigots.

>>> Mordaunt was expected to beat Sunak if they ended up as the last two,
>>> so the party contrived to put him up against somebody they didn't
>>> think would win.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 21:13:05 +1100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 21/10/2022 09:59, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:42:53 +1100, Martin Brown
>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/10/2022 19:37, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 04:43:05 +1100, Martin Brown
>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the
>>>>>> lecture
>>>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for
>>>>>> speech-making,
>>>>>
>>>>> She will have to *pay* people to attend her after dinner speeches.
>>>>>
>>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>>
>>>>> Coffey is even worse - same effect as Mogadon at the Party
>>>>> Conference.
>>>>>
>>>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly
>>>>>> present
>>>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rishi Sunak was robbed for telling the truth. He described in great
>>>>> detail exactly if the senile delinquents of the Tory faithful
>>>>> elected a swivel eyed loon simpleton like Truss to be Prime Minister.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are now completely unelectable and deserve to be out of power
>>>>> for at least a decade
>>>> No chance of that.
>>>
>>> Only time will tell.
>> Time has told. The UK voters have only ever once
>> given Labour more than a single term and that was
>> when Blair/Brown were Labour in name only.
>>
>>> Right now they would be annihilated (and fully deserve it too).
>> We'll see...
>> 2.5 years is a very long time in politics.
>
> Assuming they get that long without enough Tory MPs backing a vote of no
> confidence, which just might happen if Boris gets back in.

Can't see them actually being stupid enough to bring the election forward.

Their best hope is to have the election as late as possible so
that more of the voters will have forgotten their utter fiasco
and to increase the chance of Starmer blowing his feet off or
having seen those in his party pulling the plug on him if he is
actually stupid enough to keep sacking shadow ministers who
dare to show up at a union picket line or has a heart attack etc.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 21:15:59 +1100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 21/10/2022 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
>> On 20/10/2022 23:20, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2022 19:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the
>>>>> lecture
>>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred method
>>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in office.
>>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for speech-making,
>>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly
>>>>> present
>>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>>
>>>> Looks like it will be Boris, Mordaunt or Fishi.
>>>> My bet is that it will be Boris.
>>>
>>> The bookies don't agree with you, so you should be able to get good
>>> odds.
>> He may indeed win though. Rumour is The Boris will get about 140
>> backers and if it goes to the senile delinquents in the grass roots
>> Tory party members they will vote for their populist demagogue The
>> Boris again.
>> I agree with TNP on this (although I'm not happy about it).
>> My constituency MP is Rishi Sunak and he is damn good and hard working.
>
> Boris seems to agree, as he is said to be trying to get Rishi Sunak to
> join forces with him, rather than to stand against him.

Said by those who have no way of knowing if it is true or not.

Seems unlikely given that Sunak was stupidly central to
pulling the plug on Boris to replace him with himself.

>>>> Unless the MPS decide that losing their seats and the next election
>>>> is preferable, which given the flak they are likely to get as the
>>>> world economic and renewable energy fuck up unrolls, is likely to be
>>>> considerable.
>>>
>>> Boris is the reason that the Conservatives started to be less popular
>>> than Labour. It all went pear shaped after Partygate. I don't see him
>>> being the person to reverse the trend.
>> They don't care about that. They still think he is an electoral asset.
>> They will only find out that he isn't at the next General Election - or
>> perhaps sooner if the Tory Party itself fractures in two as a result.
>> ERG Knuckle Draggers vs Reasonable One Nation Tories
>> Putting someone in power who doesn't do detail is a really bad idea in
>> this situation where we really need someone very competent like Rishi,
>> but I'm afraid he will like William Hague and Michael Heseltine be yet
>> another brilliant hard working Prime Minister that we never had.
>>

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 23:04:36 +1100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 21/10/2022 12:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 21/10/2022 11:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>> On 21/10/2022 09:59, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:42:53 +1100, Martin Brown
>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/10/2022 19:37, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 04:43:05 +1100, Martin Brown
>>>>>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/10/2022 18:25, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>>>>> The likes of Boris and Blair are making stupendous sums on the
>>>>>>>> lecture
>>>>>>>> circuit these days, so that seems to be the current preferred
>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>> for rewarding ex-politicians for services rendered whilst in
>>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>>> So Liz Truss becomes the shortest (self)serving prime minister in
>>>>>>>> history. If she is able to get splendidly rewarded for
>>>>>>>> speech-making,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She will have to *pay* people to attend her after dinner speeches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How I trashed the UK economy is never going to be motivational!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coffey is even worse - same effect as Mogadon at the Party
>>>>>>> Conference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that will pretty much prove it. Will the next candidate kindly
>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>> its snout for the trough, please?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rishi Sunak was robbed for telling the truth. He described in
>>>>>>> great detail exactly if the senile delinquents of the Tory
>>>>>>> faithful elected a swivel eyed loon simpleton like Truss to be
>>>>>>> Prime Minister.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are now completely unelectable and deserve to be out of power
>>>>>>> for at least a decade
>>>>>> No chance of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only time will tell.
>>>>
>>>> Time has told. The UK voters have only ever once
>>>> given Labour more than a single term and that was
>>>> when Blair/Brown were Labour in name only.
>>>>
>>>>> Right now they would be annihilated (and fully deserve it too).
>>>>
>>>> We'll see...
>>>>
>>>> 2.5 years is a very long time in politics.
>>>
>>> Assuming they get that long without enough Tory MPs backing a vote of
>>> no confidence, which just might happen if Boris gets back in.
>>>
>>>
>> I dont think so.
>> Remember Sunak was not voted for by the majority of Tory party
>> members, who are their core vote, and he is even less liked outside the
>> tory party. That's why Liz got in.
>> They face a dichotomy. They would like a proper smooth technocratic
>> corrupt filthy rich globalist - Fishi Rishi - but he wont win them an
>> election. And that still matters.
>> Boris if he grovels enough and gets something right for a change, or
>> gets someone else to get something right, and doesn't listen to Carrie
>> too much, just might.
>
> Boris can't afford not to, if he wants to remain an MP. Even a minority
> Labour government would almost certainly take his seat.

It is less clear how many in his electorate are royally
pissed off about his political assassination.

>> They are torn between pleasing the electorate and pleasing the people
>> who really run government.
>> Don't even think Penny Mordaunt. Theresa May with bigger tits.
>> About as much use as Angela Rayner.
>>

On 21/10/2022 09:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> They are nothing like the ones whose sons and daughters I knew in the
> 1970s. I didn't vote for anyone back then. I am proud to say I have
> never voted Labour OR Tory.
>
> Ever.

Which means you don't care how the country is run, which is odd
considering all the comments you make.

On 21/10/2022 07:22, Brian wrote:

> The parliamentary party has been taken over by leftie, tree hugging,
> Remainers. The Real Conservatives are cowering under a blanket, like the
> spineless animals they are.
>

What exactly is a "Real Conservative" ?.

We have £2 trillion in debt. That was forecast about 5 years ago,
only to occur when the baby boomers became octogenarians, but the
lockdown costs and now the global energy crisis have brought that
time forward by 10 years to the present time.

There is nothing left to sell off and baby boomers are crashing the
"everything is free" (pension+NHS) party like nobodies business.

We have had 12 years of rampant asset inflation which has hugely
enriched those with property more than most could ever have saved
from working. Huge numbers of baby-boomer public servants are retiring
with massive gold plated pensions that are all but immune from any
amount of inflation. Quite a few have buggered off abroad to spent
this pension largesse on someone elses GDP.

QED Forget tax cuts. We are in for 10 years of increasing taxes.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 04:45:08 +1100, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

> On 21/10/2022 09:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> They are nothing like the ones whose sons and daughters I knew in the
>> 1970s. I didn't vote for anyone back then. I am proud to say I have
>> never voted Labour OR Tory.
>> Ever.

> Which means you don't care how the country is run,

Or is actually stupid enough to vote for operations like UKIP

And no UK govt ever runs the country. The most
any govt ever does is fiddle with a few policies.

> which is odd
> considering all the comments you make.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 04:56:13 +1100, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

> On 21/10/2022 07:22, Brian wrote:
>
>> The parliamentary party has been taken over by leftie, tree hugging,
>> Remainers. The Real Conservatives are cowering under a blanket, like the
>> spineless animals they are.
>>
>
> What exactly is a "Real Conservative" ?.
>
> We have £2 trillion in debt. That was forecast about 5 years ago,
> only to occur when the baby boomers became octogenarians, but the
> lockdown costs and now the global energy crisis have brought that
> time forward by 10 years to the present time.

But not surprising given that it is the worst pandemic in a century
and what Putin has just done wasn't predicted at the time.

> There is nothing left to sell off

That's bullshit with the NHS.

> and baby boomers are crashing the
> "everything is free" (pension+NHS) party like nobodies business.

More bullshit.

> We have had 12 years of rampant asset inflation which has hugely
> enriched those with property more than most could ever have saved
> from working. Huge numbers of baby-boomer public servants are retiring
> with massive gold plated pensions that are all but immune from any
> amount of inflation. Quite a few have buggered off abroad to spent
> this pension largesse on someone elses GDP.

> QED Forget tax cuts. We are in for 10 years of increasing taxes.

We'll see...

That has always been one way to bribe stupid voters, particularly
traditional Tory voters.