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Subject: appliance
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 by: Max - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 07:52 UTC

I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.

Is there any way to claw back this money?

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:00 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote

> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.

More fool you.

> Is there any way to claw back this money?

Nope, dope/pathetic excuse for a troll.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:01 UTC

On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>
> Is there any way to claw back this money?

Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible to know.

Sylvia.

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Newsgroups: aus.legal
Subject: Re: appliance
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:28:35 +1000
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 by: Max - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:28 UTC

On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>>
>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>
> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible to know.
>

I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking dishwasher.

The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.

They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do anything
more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.

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From: max...@val.morgan (Max)
Newsgroups: aus.legal
Subject: Re: appliance
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:29:09 +1000
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
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 by: Max - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:29 UTC

On 28/09/2022 7:00 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>
>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>
> More fool you.
>
>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>
> Nope, dope/pathetic excuse for a troll.

You think it is OK to be charged $180 for a dishwasher to be not fixed?

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:53 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote

>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.

>> More fool you.

>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?

>> Nope, dope/pathetic excuse for a troll.

> You think it is OK to be charged $180 for a dishwasher to be not fixed?

Nope, that you couldn't manage a viable troll of your
pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it, Pinocchio.

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 by: Max - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 23:03 UTC

On 29/09/2022 2:53 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>
>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>
>>>  More fool you.
>
>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>
>>>  Nope, dope/pathetic excuse for a troll.
>
>> You think it is OK to be charged $180 for a dishwasher to be not fixed?
>
> Nope, that you couldn't manage a viable troll of your
> pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it, Pinocchio.

You have to resort to ad hominem attacks because you can't manage normal
logic and argument.

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Subject: Re: appliance
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 by: Max - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 23:05 UTC

On 29/09/2022 9:03 am, Max wrote:
> On 29/09/2022 2:53 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>
>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>>
>>>>  More fool you.
>>
>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>
>>>>  Nope, dope/pathetic excuse for a troll.
>>
>>> You think it is OK to be charged $180 for a dishwasher to be not fixed?
>>
>> Nope, that you couldn't manage a viable troll of your
>> pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it, Pinocchio.
>
> You have to resort to ad hominem attacks because you can't manage normal
> logic and argument.

No wonder you got put in the Penalty Bin on Whirlpool.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:16 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote

>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>>
>>>> More fool you.
>>
>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>
>>>> Nope, dope/pathetic excuse for a troll.
>>
>>> You think it is OK to be charged $180 for a dishwasher to be not fixed?

>> Nope, that you couldn't manage a viable troll of your
>> pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it, Pinocchio.

> You have to resort to ad hominem attacks

That is a statement of fact, Pinocchio.

> because you can't manage normal logic and argument.

Says the pathetic excuse for a lying troll.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 00:17 UTC

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:05:16 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

> On 29/09/2022 9:03 am, Max wrote:
>> On 29/09/2022 2:53 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>
>>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new
>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>
>>>>> More fool you.
>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>
>>>>> Nope, dope/pathetic excuse for a troll.
>>>
>>>> You think it is OK to be charged $180 for a dishwasher to be not
>>>> fixed?
>>>
>>> Nope, that you couldn't manage a viable troll of your
>>> pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it, Pinocchio.
>> You have to resort to ad hominem attacks because you can't manage
>> normal logic and argument.
>
> No wonder you got put in the Penalty Bin on Whirlpool.

I told you how that happened, fuckwit.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 01:30 UTC

On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>
>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible to
>> know.
>>
>
> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking dishwasher.
>
> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>
> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do anything
> more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.
>

You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
repair, or an attempted repair?

Sylvia.

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 by: Phil Allison - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 01:40 UTC

Sylvia Else wrote:
==============
> > I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking dishwasher.
> >
> > The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
> >
> > They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do anything
> > more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.
> >
> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
> repair, or an attempted repair?

** The repair was effective, then a new leak developed.
Max's posts are riddled with deceitful language.

Repair warranties cover only the work done, not the whole device/machine.
The owner takes that risk.

..... Phil

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 by: Max - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 02:09 UTC

On 29/09/2022 11:40 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ==============
>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking dishwasher.
>>>
>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>
>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do anything
>>> more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.
>>>
>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>
> ** The repair was effective, then a new leak developed.

Absolute nonsense. The leak was never fixed.

The dishwasher is behaving exactly how it was before the repairer
visited the property.

> Max's posts are riddled with deceitful language.
>
> Repair warranties cover only the work done, not the whole device/machine.
> The owner takes that risk.
>
>
> .... Phil
>

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 by: Max - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 03:11 UTC

On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible to
>>> know.
>>>
>>
>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking dishwasher.
>>
>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>
>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.
>>
>
> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
> repair, or an attempted repair?
>

I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call out fee.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 03:28 UTC

On 29-Sept-22 1:11 pm, Max wrote:
> On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible
>>>> to know.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking dishwasher.
>>>
>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>
>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.
>>>
>>
>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>>
>
> I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call out fee.
>

Sounds like the only amount for which there could be any possible
dispute would be the $30 difference. You could argue that it should have
been so obvious that the machine was beyond repair that they should not
have tried. But then, you'd need evidence of that. The mere fact that
the repair was not successful would not be sufficient.

For $30? Forget it.

Sylvia.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 03:48 UTC

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:30:08 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible to
>>> know.
>>>
>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>> dishwasher.
>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.

> You need to look at the terms you agreed to.Were you paying for a
> repair, or an attempted repair?

Nope, the law applys, not what you allegedly agreed to.

Never seen anyone ever get you to sign anything before
doing the work and even if they did, it wouldn't be binding.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 03:50 UTC

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:09:53 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

> On 29/09/2022 11:40 am, Phil Allison wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> ==============
>>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>
>>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>>
>>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>>> anything
>>>> more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.
>>>>
>>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>> ** The repair was effective, then a new leak developed.
>
> Absolute nonsense. The leak was never fixed.

Even if it wasn't, there are no guarantees that it would fix an unfixable
problem.

> The dishwasher is behaving exactly how it was before the repairer
> visited the property.

There is no dishwasher and no leak, Pinocchio.

>> Max's posts are riddled with deceitful language.
>> Repair warranties cover only the work done, not the whole
>> device/machine.
>> The owner takes that risk.
>> .... Phil
>>

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 03:51 UTC

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:11:16 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

> On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new dishwasher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible to
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>>> dishwasher.
>>>
>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>
>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to do.
>>>
>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>>
>
> I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call out fee.

So you are fucked given that what they tried didnt fix the fantasy
leak in the fantasy dishwasher.

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 by: Phil Allison - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 04:33 UTC

Max = Wog Liar wrote:
==============
> >>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking dishwasher.

** Blatant LIE !!

> >>>
> >>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>
> > ** The repair was effective, then a new leak developed.
>
>> The leak was never fixed.
>

** Max's posts are riddled with deceitful language.

....... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 05:50 UTC

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:28:25 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

> On 29-Sept-22 1:11 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new
>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible
>>>>> to know.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>
>>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>>
>>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>>>
>> I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call out
>> fee.
>>
>
> Sounds like the only amount for which there could be any possible
> dispute would be the $30 difference. You could argue that it should have
> been so obvious that the machine was beyond repair that they should not
> have tried.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
don't have a fucking clue what fault diagnosis is about.

In the real world, it isnt uncommon for there to be more
than one possibility for why a dishwasher is leaking.
It could be because the water level sensor is intermittent,
or because there is a significant not visible crack in the
internal structure of the dishwasher. It would be quite
normal to replace the water level sensor to see if that
fixes the problem and decide when that doesnt fix the
problem, that it must be a non visible crack in the
internal structure of the dishwasher and that it isnt
economic to fix that and that the only sensible way
to proceed is to get a new dishwasher.

> But then, you'd need evidence of that. The mere fact that the repair was
> not successful would not be sufficient.

> For $30? Forget it.

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 by: Max - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:47 UTC

On 29/09/2022 3:50 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:28:25 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29-Sept-22 1:11 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new
>>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible
>>>>>> to know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>>>
>>>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>>>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to
>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>>>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>>>>
>>>  I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call out
>>> fee.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like the only amount for which there could be any possible
>> dispute would be the $30 difference. You could argue that it should
>> have been so obvious that the machine was beyond repair that they
>> should not have tried.
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
> don't have a fucking clue what fault diagnosis is about.
>
> In the real world, it isnt uncommon for there to be more
> than one possibility for why a dishwasher is leaking.
> It could be because the water level sensor is intermittent,

I would have thought the water level sensor is the issue, but apparently
they don't think they can fix it, and the dishwasher in question isn't
made anymore, so there are no parts available for it.

I have made the decision to buy a new dishwasher including installation
using the same people, since they are cheaper than any retailer, so I
win in the end.

> or because there is a significant not visible crack in the
> internal structure of the dishwasher. It would be quite
> normal to replace the water level sensor to see if that
> fixes the problem and decide when that doesnt fix the
> problem, that it must be a non visible crack in the
> internal structure of the dishwasher and that it isnt
> economic to fix that and that the only sensible way
> to proceed is to get a new dishwasher.
>
>> But then, you'd need evidence of that. The mere fact that the repair
>> was not successful would not be sufficient.
>
>> For $30? Forget it.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:54 UTC

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:47:26 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

> On 29/09/2022 3:50 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:28:25 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29-Sept-22 1:11 pm, Max wrote:
>>>> On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new
>>>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's impossible
>>>>>>> to know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>>>>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing to
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>>>>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>>>>>
>>>> I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call out
>>>> fee.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like the only amount for which there could be any possible
>>> dispute would be the $30 difference. You could argue that it should
>>> have been so obvious that the machine was beyond repair that they
>>> should not have tried.

>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
>> don't have a fucking clue what fault diagnosis is about.

>> In the real world, it isnt uncommon for there to be more
>> than one possibility for why a dishwasher is leaking.

>> It could be because the water level sensor is intermittent,

> I would have thought the water level sensor is the issue,

But then you have never had a fucking clue.

> but apparently they don't think they can fix it,and the dishwasher in
> question isn't madeanymore, so there are no parts available for it.

So what do you claim is the repair they did that didn't fix the problem,
Pinocchio ?

> I have made the decision to buy a new dishwasher including installation
> using the same people, since they are cheaper than any retailer, so I
> win in the end.

SURE you do, Pinocchio.

>> or because there is a significant not visible crack in the
>> internal structure of the dishwasher. It would be quite
>> normal to replace the water level sensor to see if that
>> fixes the problem and decide when that doesnt fix the
>> problem, that it must be a non visible crack in the
>> internal structure of the dishwasher and that it isnt
>> economic to fix that and that the only sensible way
>> to proceed is to get a new dishwasher.
>>
>>> But then, you'd need evidence of that. The mere fact that the repair
>>> was not successful would not be sufficient.
>>
>>> For $30? Forget it.

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 by: Max - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:57 UTC

On 29/09/2022 6:54 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:47:26 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>> On 29/09/2022 3:50 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:28:25 +1000, Sylvia Else
>>> <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29-Sept-22 1:11 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>> On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new
>>>>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's
>>>>>>>> impossible to know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>>>>>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing
>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>>>>>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>>>>>>
>>>>>  I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call
>>>>> out fee.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like the only amount for which there could be any possible
>>>> dispute would be the $30 difference. You could argue that it should
>>>> have been so obvious that the machine was beyond repair that they
>>>> should not have tried.
>
>>>  Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
>>> don't have a fucking clue what fault diagnosis is about.
>
>>>  In the real world, it isnt uncommon for there to be more
>>> than one possibility for why a dishwasher is leaking.
>
>>> It could be because the water level sensor is intermittent,
>
>> I would have thought the water level sensor is the issue,
>
> But then you have never had a fucking clue.
>

Why would I care about whether I know about dishwashers? I have never
claimed to be an expert on that.

>> but apparently  they don't think they can fix it,and the dishwasher in
>> question isn't madeanymore, so there are no parts available for it.
>
> So what do you claim is the repair they did that didn't fix the problem,
> Pinocchio ?
>

I believe they cleared a blockage they perceived to exist.

>> I have made the decision to buy a new dishwasher including
>> installation using the same people, since they are cheaper than any
>> retailer, so I win in the end.
>
> SURE you do, Pinocchio.
>

I win because I save money. How could I be wrong about that?

>>> or because there is a significant not visible crack in the
>>> internal structure of the dishwasher. It would be quite
>>> normal to replace the water level sensor to see if that
>>> fixes the problem and decide when that doesnt fix the
>>> problem, that it must be a non visible crack in the
>>> internal structure of the dishwasher and that it isnt
>>> economic to fix that and that the only sensible way
>>> to proceed is to get a new dishwasher.
>>>
>>>> But then, you'd need evidence of that. The mere fact that the repair
>>>> was not successful would not be sufficient.
>>>
>>>> For $30? Forget it.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:14 UTC

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:57:01 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

> On 29/09/2022 6:54 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:47:26 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/09/2022 3:50 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:28:25 +1000, Sylvia Else
>>>> <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29-Sept-22 1:11 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new
>>>>>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's
>>>>>>>>> impossible to know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>>>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>>>>>>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best thing
>>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for a
>>>>>>> repair, or an attempted repair?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call
>>>>>> out fee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like the only amount for which there could be any possible
>>>>> dispute would be the $30 difference. You could argue that it should
>>>>> have been so obvious that the machine was beyond repair that they
>>>>> should not have tried.
>>
>>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
>>>> don't have a fucking clue what fault diagnosis is about.
>>
>>>> In the real world, it isnt uncommon for there to be more
>>>> than one possibility for why a dishwasher is leaking.
>>
>>>> It could be because the water level sensor is intermittent,
>>
>>> I would have thought the water level sensor is the issue,
>> But then you have never had a fucking clue.
>>
>
> Why would I care about whether I know about dishwashers? I have never
> claimed to be an expert on that.

Nothing to do with being an expert, fuckwit.

>>> but apparently they don't think they can fix it,and the dishwasher in
>>> question isn't madeanymore, so there are no parts available for it.

>> So what do you claim is the repair they did that didn't fix the
>> problem, Pinocchio ?

> I believe they cleared a blockage they perceived to exist.

>>> I have made the decision to buy a new dishwasher including
>>> installation using the same people, since they are cheaper than any
>>> retailer, so I win in the end.

>> SURE you do, Pinocchio.

> I win because I save money.

SURE you do, Pinocchio.

> How could I be wrong about that?

There is no dishwasher, Pinocchio.

No car with a fire inside it either.

>>>> or because there is a significant not visible crack in the
>>>> internal structure of the dishwasher. It would be quite
>>>> normal to replace the water level sensor to see if that
>>>> fixes the problem and decide when that doesnt fix the
>>>> problem, that it must be a non visible crack in the
>>>> internal structure of the dishwasher and that it isnt
>>>> economic to fix that and that the only sensible way
>>>> to proceed is to get a new dishwasher.
>>>>
>>>>> But then, you'd need evidence of that. The mere fact that the repair
>>>>> was not successful would not be sufficient.
>>>>
>>>>> For $30? Forget it.

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 by: Max - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:55 UTC

On 29/09/2022 7:14 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:57:01 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>> On 29/09/2022 6:54 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:47:26 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/09/2022 3:50 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:28:25 +1000, Sylvia Else
>>>>> <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29-Sept-22 1:11 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>> On 29/09/2022 11:30 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 8:28 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2022 8:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-22 5:52 pm, Max wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I just paid $180 for someone to tell me that I need a new
>>>>>>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any way to claw back this money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but since you've provided no information, it's
>>>>>>>>>> impossible to know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was billed $180 on the basis that they had fixed a leaking
>>>>>>>>> dishwasher.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The dishwasher then started leaking as it had before.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They then looked at it and told me that they couldn't really do
>>>>>>>>> anything more, and that buying a new one would be the best
>>>>>>>>> thing to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to look at the terms you agreed to. Were you paying for
>>>>>>>> a repair, or an attempted repair?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I was paying for repair, but they did say there was a $150 call
>>>>>>> out fee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like the only amount for which there could be any possible
>>>>>> dispute would be the $30 difference. You could argue that it
>>>>>> should have been so obvious that the machine was beyond repair
>>>>>> that they should not have tried.
>>>
>>>>>  Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you
>>>>> don't have a fucking clue what fault diagnosis is about.
>>>
>>>>>  In the real world, it isnt uncommon for there to be more
>>>>> than one possibility for why a dishwasher is leaking.
>>>
>>>>> It could be because the water level sensor is intermittent,
>>>
>>>> I would have thought the water level sensor is the issue,
>>>  But then you have never had a fucking clue.
>>>
>>
>> Why would I care about whether I know about dishwashers?  I have never
>> claimed to be an expert on that.
>
> Nothing to do with being an expert, fuckwit.
>

I don't have to know anything at all about dishwashers if I don't want
to, fuckwit.

There is no point knowing about things that is not your profession.

>>>> but apparently  they don't think they can fix it,and the dishwasher
>>>> in question isn't madeanymore, so there are no parts available for it.
>
>>>  So what do you claim is the repair they did that didn't fix the
>>> problem, Pinocchio ?
>
>> I believe they cleared a blockage they perceived to exist.
>
>>>> I have made the decision to buy a new dishwasher including
>>>> installation using the same people, since they are cheaper than any
>>>> retailer, so I win in the end.
>
>>>  SURE you do, Pinocchio.
>
>> I win because I save money.
>
> SURE you do, Pinocchio.
>
>> How could I be wrong about that?
>
> There is no dishwasher, Pinocchio.
>
> No car with a fire inside it either.
>
>>>>> or because there is a significant not visible crack in the
>>>>> internal structure of the dishwasher. It would be quite
>>>>> normal to replace the water level sensor to see if that
>>>>> fixes the problem and decide when that doesnt fix the
>>>>> problem, that it must be a non visible crack in the
>>>>> internal structure of the dishwasher and that it isnt
>>>>> economic to fix that and that the only sensible way
>>>>> to proceed is to get a new dishwasher.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But then, you'd need evidence of that. The mere fact that the
>>>>>> repair was not successful would not be sufficient.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For $30? Forget it.


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