On 28/09/2021 8:28 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 19:01:59 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/09/2021 6:52 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:14:15 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
>>> <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:29:31 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>>>>
>>>>> On 28/09/2021 10:00 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:57:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw scribed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So much for free trade and competition, the 'gaff' concerned was
>>>>>>> allowing the US and Britain to compete with France when it came to
>>>>>>> Australia ordering its first nuclear submarines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In terms of rating the general consensus that the top 3 SSN's are 1)
>>>>>>> US Seawolf Class 2) US Virginia Class
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The French Barracuda/Suffren class boats are considerably smaller and
>>>>>>> less capable than the British and UK offerings but with pump jet
>>>>>>> propulsion should be quieter than the Chinese SSN's
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are any of them quieter than diesel-electric?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nukes in general are quieter as they don't need to use diesels engines
>>>>> to recharge the batteries.
>>>>
>>>> But operationally, nukes are as quiet as a heavy metal concert.
>>>>
>>> If so LOUD here is a list of 51 collisions in last 20 years
>>> plus others
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarine_incidents_since_2000>
>>> https://is.gd/oEernh
>>
>> Read your cite, groundings, collisions with civilian vessels, fires,
>> mechanical problems and so on nothing to do with noise levels
>>>
> To do with the abscence of noise levels

Bullshit. READ your cite! Or, ask nursie to explain it to you.

On 29/09/2021 11:07 am, News 2021 wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:23:15 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>
>> On 28/09/2021 9:31 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:27:58 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>>>
>>>> On 28/09/2021 6:14 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:29:31 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28/09/2021 10:00 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:57:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw scribed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So much for free trade and competition, the 'gaff' concerned was
>>>>>>>> allowing the US and Britain to compete with France when it came to
>>>>>>>> Australia ordering its first nuclear submarines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of rating the general consensus that the top 3 SSN's are
>>>>>>>> 1)
>>>>>>>> US Seawolf Class 2) US Virginia Class
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The French Barracuda/Suffren class boats are considerably smaller
>>>>>>>> and less capable than the British and UK offerings but with pump
>>>>>>>> jet propulsion should be quieter than the Chinese SSN's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are any of them quieter than diesel-electric?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nukes in general are quieter as they don't need to use diesels
>>>>>> engines to recharge the batteries.
>>>>>
>>>>> But operationally, nukes are as quiet as a heavy metal concert.
>>>>>
>>>> When doing what?
>>>
>>> They are fitted with 'pumps' that operate continually.
>>
>> Which are designed to be quiet.
>
> Not quiet enough. Hearing tests done by 'deaf' people don't count.
> Nuke subs are a continual barrage of noise. The Chinese Navy just loves
> it when the US thinks it is sneaking one under the radar. Their spy
> ships get a treasure trove of tell tail signature noises.

I agree they aren't silent just trying figure out your "as noisy as a
rock concert" 120dB verses Pez' "totally silent" 0dB
>

On 29/09/2021 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:28:15 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/09/2021 10:04 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:34:53 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>> When doing what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are fitted with 'pumps' that operate continually.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Which are quiet, but super quite mode the Sub can turn off cooling to
>>>>> reactor for consierable time.
>>>>
>>>> How long can they turn it off for?
>>>>
>>> Indefinitely ,but at low speeds. their missiles can then be launched
>>> for targets over 100 miles away.
>>
>> The sub launched Tomahawk missiles have a range well over 2000kms. ICBMs
>> are well, intercontinental. Both need the sub to near the surface to
>> fire I believe
>>
> Wrong all can be luached from below surface

I said near the surface, the old ones had to surface. They use an
ejection to get the missile to the surface where ignition occurs. Don't
know from what depth that can occur.
>>
>> torpedoes can also be launched
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_running_(submarine)#:~:text=Silent%20running%20is%20a%20stealth%20mode%20of%20operation%20for%20naval%20submarines.&text=Nuclear%20submarines%20can%20run%20even,natural%20convection%20of%20the%20water.>
>>> https://is.gd/CY0fFK
>>> Nuclear submarines can run even more quietly, at very low speeds only,
>>> by turning off active reactor cooling during silent running. The
>>> reactor is then only cooled by natural convection of the water.
>>
>> Thank GOD they don't turn off cooling to the reactor as you claimed only
>> active cooling
>>
> Just the way you spin things

Just what you posted " the Sub can turn off cooling to reactor for
consierable time."
>

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 01:07:07 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
<news21@woa.com.au> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:23:15 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>
>> On 28/09/2021 9:31 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:27:58 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>>>
>>>> On 28/09/2021 6:14 pm, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:29:31 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28/09/2021 10:00 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:57:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw scribed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So much for free trade and competition, the 'gaff' concerned was
>>>>>>>> allowing the US and Britain to compete with France when it came to
>>>>>>>> Australia ordering its first nuclear submarines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of rating the general consensus that the top 3 SSN's are
>>>>>>>> 1)
>>>>>>>> US Seawolf Class 2) US Virginia Class
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The French Barracuda/Suffren class boats are considerably smaller
>>>>>>>> and less capable than the British and UK offerings but with pump
>>>>>>>> jet propulsion should be quieter than the Chinese SSN's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are any of them quieter than diesel-electric?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nukes in general are quieter as they don't need to use diesels
>>>>>> engines to recharge the batteries.
>>>>>
>>>>> But operationally, nukes are as quiet as a heavy metal concert.
>>>>>
>>>> When doing what?
>>>
>>> They are fitted with 'pumps' that operate continually.
>>
>> Which are designed to be quiet.
>
>Not quiet enough. Hearing tests done by 'deaf' people don't count.
>Nuke subs are a continual barrage of noise. The Chinese Navy just loves
>it when the US thinks it is sneaking one under the radar. Their spy
>ships get a treasure trove of tell tail signature noises.
>
The Chinese ones are even picked up by satellites
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:43:45 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 29/09/2021 10:36 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:28:15 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/09/2021 10:04 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:34:53 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>>> When doing what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are fitted with 'pumps' that operate continually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which are quiet, but super quite mode the Sub can turn off cooling to
>>>>>> reactor for consierable time.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long can they turn it off for?
>>>>>
>>>> Indefinitely ,but at low speeds. their missiles can then be launched
>>>> for targets over 100 miles away.
>>>
>>> The sub launched Tomahawk missiles have a range well over 2000kms. ICBMs
>>> are well, intercontinental. Both need the sub to near the surface to
>>> fire I believe
>>>
>> Wrong all can be luached from below surface
>
>I said near the surface, the old ones had to surface. They use an
>ejection to get the missile to the surface where ignition occurs. Don't
>know from what depth that can occur.
>>>
>>> torpedoes can also be launched
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_running_(submarine)#:~:text=Silent%20running%20is%20a%20stealth%20mode%20of%20operation%20for%20naval%20submarines.&text=Nuclear%20submarines%20can%20run%20even,natural%20convection%20of%20the%20water.>
>>>> https://is.gd/CY0fFK
>>>> Nuclear submarines can run even more quietly, at very low speeds only,
>>>> by turning off active reactor cooling during silent running. The
>>>> reactor is then only cooled by natural convection of the water.
>>>
>>> Thank GOD they don't turn off cooling to the reactor as you claimed only
>>> active cooling
>>>
>> Just the way you spin things
>
>Just what you posted " the Sub can turn off cooling to reactor for
>consierable time."
>>
Coolimg water "pumps" but you new that.
--
Petzl
We know the Dumb3 are lying,
they know they are lying,
they know we know they are lying,
we know they know we know they are lying,
but they are still lying. Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn

On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:39:32 +1000, Fran <f2r2a3@loonynutters.com>
wrote:

>On 28/09/2021 8:28 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 19:01:59 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/09/2021 6:52 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:14:15 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
>>>> <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:29:31 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28/09/2021 10:00 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:57:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw scribed:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So much for free trade and competition, the 'gaff' concerned was
>>>>>>>> allowing the US and Britain to compete with France when it came to
>>>>>>>> Australia ordering its first nuclear submarines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of rating the general consensus that the top 3 SSN's are 1)
>>>>>>>> US Seawolf Class 2) US Virginia Class
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The French Barracuda/Suffren class boats are considerably smaller and
>>>>>>>> less capable than the British and UK offerings but with pump jet
>>>>>>>> propulsion should be quieter than the Chinese SSN's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are any of them quieter than diesel-electric?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nukes in general are quieter as they don't need to use diesels engines
>>>>>> to recharge the batteries.
>>>>>
>>>>> But operationally, nukes are as quiet as a heavy metal concert.
>>>>>
>>>> If so LOUD here is a list of 51 collisions in last 20 years
>>>> plus others
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarine_incidents_since_2000>
>>>> https://is.gd/oEernh
>>>
>>> Read your cite, groundings, collisions with civilian vessels, fires,
>>> mechanical problems and so on nothing to do with noise levels
>>>>
>> To do with the abscence of noise levels
>
>Bullshit. READ your cite! Or, ask nursie to explain it to you.
>
They can't hear OR see each other
Were on the Manly Ferry some time a ago when A navy sub swept past
just the conning tower visible but no sound.
--
Petzl
We know the Dumb3 are lying,
they know they are lying,
they know we know they are lying,
we know they know we know they are lying,
but they are still lying. Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn

snip

>> Just what you posted " the Sub can turn off cooling to reactor for
>> consierable time."
>>>
> Coolimg water "pumps" but you new that.

You may be psychotic but I'm not psychic
>

On 29/09/2021 12:20 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:39:32 +1000, Fran <f2r2a3@loonynutters.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/09/2021 8:28 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 19:01:59 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/09/2021 6:52 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:14:15 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
>>>>> <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:29:31 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28/09/2021 10:00 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:57:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw scribed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So much for free trade and competition, the 'gaff' concerned was
>>>>>>>>> allowing the US and Britain to compete with France when it came to
>>>>>>>>> Australia ordering its first nuclear submarines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In terms of rating the general consensus that the top 3 SSN's are 1)
>>>>>>>>> US Seawolf Class 2) US Virginia Class
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The French Barracuda/Suffren class boats are considerably smaller and
>>>>>>>>> less capable than the British and UK offerings but with pump jet
>>>>>>>>> propulsion should be quieter than the Chinese SSN's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are any of them quieter than diesel-electric?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nukes in general are quieter as they don't need to use diesels engines
>>>>>>> to recharge the batteries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But operationally, nukes are as quiet as a heavy metal concert.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If so LOUD here is a list of 51 collisions in last 20 years
>>>>> plus others
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarine_incidents_since_2000>
>>>>> https://is.gd/oEernh
>>>>
>>>> Read your cite, groundings, collisions with civilian vessels, fires,
>>>> mechanical problems and so on nothing to do with noise levels
>>>>>
>>> To do with the abscence of noise levels
>>
>> Bullshit. READ your cite! Or, ask nursie to explain it to you.
>>
> They can't

READ YOUR CITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRY TO FOLLOW A THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRY TO POST A RELEVANT RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On 29/09/2021 12:20 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 11:39:32 +1000, Fran <f2r2a3@loonynutters.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/09/2021 8:28 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 19:01:59 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/09/2021 6:52 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:14:15 -0000 (UTC), News 2021
>>>>> <news21@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 10:29:31 +1000, Dechucka scribed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28/09/2021 10:00 am, News 2021 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:57:39 +0100, Keith Willshaw scribed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So much for free trade and competition, the 'gaff' concerned was
>>>>>>>>> allowing the US and Britain to compete with France when it came to
>>>>>>>>> Australia ordering its first nuclear submarines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In terms of rating the general consensus that the top 3 SSN's are 1)
>>>>>>>>> US Seawolf Class 2) US Virginia Class
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The French Barracuda/Suffren class boats are considerably smaller and
>>>>>>>>> less capable than the British and UK offerings but with pump jet
>>>>>>>>> propulsion should be quieter than the Chinese SSN's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are any of them quieter than diesel-electric?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nukes in general are quieter as they don't need to use diesels engines
>>>>>>> to recharge the batteries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But operationally, nukes are as quiet as a heavy metal concert.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If so LOUD here is a list of 51 collisions in last 20 years
>>>>> plus others
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarine_incidents_since_2000>
>>>>> https://is.gd/oEernh
>>>>
>>>> Read your cite, groundings, collisions with civilian vessels, fires,
>>>> mechanical problems and so on nothing to do with noise levels
>>>>>
>>> To do with the abscence of noise levels
>>
>> Bullshit. READ your cite! Or, ask nursie to explain it to you.
>>
> They can't hear OR see each other

They can which is why all of the super powers have attack subs out there
trying to keep track of the ballistic missile subs so they can sink them
before they can fire. I believe the opening and flooding of the missile
tubes and coming to launch depth would be the attack indication (with
appropriate orders of course)

> Were on the Manly Ferry some time a ago when A navy sub swept past
> just the conning tower visible but no sound.

Seems your ears are as screwed as your eyes.
Wonder if that sub commander just lost his command or was court martialed.