On 23/11/21 7:12 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:34:26 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>
>> I probably would have done the same. The juvenile one we had in the
>> bedroom I just picked up with a pair of kitchen tongs and put it in a
>> plastic shopping bag and took it outside where it sadly got into an
>> aggressive argument with a very sharp machetti.
>
> Sure you did Fraudster. I believe you. Honest.
>
>
>
> alvey
> Wondering what size cup a "machetti" is served in?
>
A cup the size of a thimble, that way it is relatable to the size of
Darren's brain.

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On 23/11/2021 5:29 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 23/11/21 7:12 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:34:26 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I probably would have done the same. The juvenile one we had in the
>>> bedroom I just picked up with a pair of kitchen tongs and put it in a
>>> plastic shopping bag and took it outside where it sadly got into an
>>> aggressive argument with a very sharp machetti.
>>
>> Sure you did Fraudster. I believe you. Honest.
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>> Wondering what size cup a "machetti" is served in?
>>
> A cup the size of a thimble, that way it is relatable to the size of
> Darren's brain.
>

Indeed.

I'm surprised gung-ho Derro he didn't come out with another unlawfully
discharging of a firearm story in support of his illegally killing a
protected species story...

On 23/11/2021 7:55 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> One of the candidates for the last local election was a snake catcher by
>> the name of Jarrod Bingham. I think he ended up getting elected. Anyway,
>> I was chatting with him one day down at the Village shopping centre
>> while I was waiting for a cup of coffee and we got talking about snakes.
>> He claimed that Brown snakes are venomous from birth, but generally
>> while they're young their fangs are too short to do anything. Not that
>> I'd be willing to put that theory to the test, but he reckons that while
>> they've got black heads they're pretty harmless.
>
> I'd accept that as being basically correct except there doesn't seem
> to be a general consensus as to what length they are when their fangs
> are sufficiently developed to penetrate skin.... I've always assumed
> it to be around 30cm. FWIW young browns have a diamond pattern on the
> back of their head and in SA where I grew up they were always known a
> diamond snakes, as distinct from browns, and regarded as harmless.
> They lose the diamond at around 30cm (12").
>
> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike. I used a waste paper
> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
> belting or shooting it.
>
> Snakes are much easier to kill

Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.

On 23/11/2021 9:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 7:55 am, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the candidates for the last local election was a snake catcher by
>>> the name of Jarrod Bingham. I think he ended up getting elected. Anyway,
>>> I was chatting with him one day down at the Village shopping centre
>>> while I was waiting for a cup of coffee and we got talking about snakes.
>>> He claimed that Brown snakes are venomous from birth, but generally
>>> while they're young their fangs are too short to do anything. Not that
>>> I'd be willing to put that theory to the test, but he reckons that while
>>> they've got black heads they're pretty harmless.
>>
>> I'd accept that as being basically correct except there doesn't seem
>> to be a general consensus as to what length they are when their fangs
>> are sufficiently developed to penetrate skin.... I've always assumed
>> it to be around 30cm.  FWIW young browns have a diamond pattern on the
>> back of their head and in SA where I grew up they were always known a
>> diamond snakes, as distinct from browns, and regarded as harmless.
>> They lose the diamond at around 30cm (12").
>>
>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste paper
>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>> belting or shooting it.
>>
>> Snakes are much easier to kill
>
>
> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.

I should add that it's also a profoundly stupid thing to do.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:04:29 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 23/11/2021 5:29 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 7:12 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:34:26 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I probably would have done the same. The juvenile one we had in the
>>>> bedroom I just picked up with a pair of kitchen tongs and put it in a
>>>> plastic shopping bag and took it outside where it sadly got into an
>>>> aggressive argument with a very sharp machetti.
>>>
>>> Sure you did Fraudster. I believe you. Honest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>> Wondering what size cup a "machetti" is served in?
>>>
>> A cup the size of a thimble, that way it is relatable to the size of
>> Darren's brain.
>>
>
> Indeed.
>
> I'm surprised gung-ho Derro he didn't come out with another unlawfully
> discharging of a firearm story in support of his illegally killing a
> protected species story...

Given his claimed eysight he'd probably do more damage to his house than
the snake. Also given his eysight (and ignorance), it was possibly a
Legless Lizard in the house. Easy prey for a Gutless Gobshite...

alvey

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On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 21:07:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 23/11/2021 9:05 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 7:55 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One of the candidates for the last local election was a snake catcher by
>>>> the name of Jarrod Bingham. I think he ended up getting elected. Anyway,
>>>> I was chatting with him one day down at the Village shopping centre
>>>> while I was waiting for a cup of coffee and we got talking about snakes.
>>>> He claimed that Brown snakes are venomous from birth, but generally
>>>> while they're young their fangs are too short to do anything. Not that
>>>> I'd be willing to put that theory to the test, but he reckons that while
>>>> they've got black heads they're pretty harmless.
>>>
>>> I'd accept that as being basically correct except there doesn't seem
>>> to be a general consensus as to what length they are when their fangs
>>> are sufficiently developed to penetrate skin.... I've always assumed
>>> it to be around 30cm.  FWIW young browns have a diamond pattern on the
>>> back of their head and in SA where I grew up they were always known a
>>> diamond snakes, as distinct from browns, and regarded as harmless.
>>> They lose the diamond at around 30cm (12").
>>>
>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste paper
>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>
>>> Snakes are much easier to kill
>>
>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>
> I should add that it's also a profoundly stupid thing to do.

No it's not. Don't listen to him fellas. You go for it!

alvey

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Clocky wrote:
>On 23/11/2021 7:55 am, John_H wrote:
>
>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike. I used a waste paper
>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>> belting or shooting it.
>
>
>Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.

It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
people or pets!

Besides which, professional snake catchers are rarer than rocking
horse shit outside of suburbia!

I'd also suggest that no one has ever been prosecuted for killing a
snake in their house or backyard, including non venomous species,
especially since a very large number of people can't tell the
difference.

Do you happen to know how to positively identify an eastern brown
snake?

Clue: It's much easier after they're dead.

Further to which, snakebite victims have long long been advised to
kill the snake and bring it with them for identification when seeking
medical treatment although it probably shouldn't be necessary in this
day and age with the development of polyvalent anti venom (where
available). Nor does it cover all of the venomous species.

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:09:31 +1000, John_H wrote:

> Clocky wrote:
>>On 23/11/2021 7:55 am, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike. I used a waste paper
>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>> belting or shooting it.
>>
>>
>>Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>
> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
> people or pets!

This is true, but I'd like to see it amended so that small, white yapping
dogs are exempted from 'protection'.

alvey
Especially for Coastal Pythons.

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On 24/11/2021 8:09 am, John_H wrote:
> Clocky wrote:

>>
>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike. I used a waste paper
>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>> belting or shooting it.
>>
>>
>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>
> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
> people or pets!

It is indeed, and if the licensed Westralian motor mouth had a clue he
would know this.

> Besides which, professional snake catchers are rarer than rocking
> horse shit outside of suburbia!

We have access to them here, but their policy is to catch the snake,
charge you 200 bucks for the privilege, and then take it 200 mtrs up the
road and let it go because "it needs to remain in it's environment".

Yeah, right.

> I'd also suggest that no one has ever been prosecuted for killing a
> snake in their house or backyard, including non venomous species,
> especially since a very large number of people can't tell the
> difference.

Snakes specifically are not protected in and of themselves. They fall
under the umbrella of general protection afforded to all natural fauna
and as such there is no specific "snake" law. It is, however, perfectly
legal to kill a snake or any other "protected" animal that poses a
threat to you as you say.

Common sense applies. It would be ridiculously difficult to offer up a
plea "self defence" and expect to get away with it if you killed a Koala
or an Echidna, but one of the world's most deadliest snakes in your
house threatening to bite you would be a completely different story
despite the protection laws.

> Do you happen to know how to positively identify an eastern brown
> snake?
>
> Clue: It's much easier after they're dead.

This bloke can't tell the difference between plastic and glass. What
hope has he got with anything more complicated?

> Further to which, snakebite victims have long long been advised to
> kill the snake and bring it with them for identification when seeking
> medical treatment although it probably shouldn't be necessary in this
> day and age with the development of polyvalent anti venom (where
> available). Nor does it cover all of the venomous species.

I don't think killing the snake is recommended any longer, but being
able to positively identify what it is can help speed up the recovery
process.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 24/11/2021 5:09 am, John_H wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 7:55 am, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike. I used a waste paper
>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>> belting or shooting it.
>>
>>
>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>
> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
> people or pets!
>

No it's not, it's illegal and you can (and should be) prosecuted.
There is greater risk of getting bitten when trying to kill a snake you
dimwit!

> Besides which, professional snake catchers are rarer than rocking
> horse shit outside of suburbia!
>

You're not trying.

> I'd also suggest that no one has ever been prosecuted for killing a
> snake in their house or backyard, including non venomous species,
> especially since a very large number of people can't tell the
> difference.
>

Irrelevant to what the law states, and you're breaking it.

> Do you happen to know how to positively identify an eastern brown
> snake?
>
> Clue: It's much easier after they're dead.
>

No need to kill them.

> Further to which, snakebite victims have long long been advised to
> kill the snake and bring it with them for identification when seeking
> medical treatment although it probably shouldn't be necessary in this
> day and age with the development of polyvalent anti venom (where
> available). Nor does it cover all of the venomous species.
>

It's old school fucking bullshit.
I can't believe how ignorant you are.

On 24/11/2021 7:09 am, John_H wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 7:55 am, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike. I used a waste paper
>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>> belting or shooting it.
>>
>>
>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>
> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
> people or pets!

https://pestaid.com.au/is-it-illegal-to-kill-snakes-in-australia/

> Besides which, professional snake catchers are rarer than rocking
> horse shit outside of suburbia!
>
> I'd also suggest that no one has ever been prosecuted for killing a
> snake in their house or backyard, including non venomous species,
> especially since a very large number of people can't tell the
> difference.

The cops aren't likely to come round to your house.

> Do you happen to know how to positively identify an eastern brown
> snake?
>
> Clue: It's much easier after they're dead.
>
> Further to which, snakebite victims have long long been advised to
> kill the snake and bring it with them for identification when seeking
> medical treatment although it probably shouldn't be necessary in this
> day and age with the development of polyvalent anti venom (where
> available). Nor does it cover all of the venomous species.
>

On 24/11/2021 1:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 7:09 am, John_H wrote:

>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>> people or pets!
>
> https://pestaid.com.au/is-it-illegal-to-kill-snakes-in-australia/

What a ridiculous load of propagandist bullshit from an environmental
group :)

Get the skinny here:

> https://www.environment.act.gov.au/parks-conservation/plants-and-animals/urban-wildlife/snakes

[quote]

"Snakes are protected by law in all states and territories of Australia
and may not be killed unless they threaten life. Offences under the
Nature Conservation Act 2014 carry severe penalties. Snakes cannot be
taken from the wild, kept without a licence, or traded without a licence."

[End quote]

It's the "unless they threaten life" clause that makes the killing of
snakes legal in particular circumstances.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 24/11/2021 11:04 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 1:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 7:09 am, John_H wrote:
>
>>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>>> people or pets!
>>
>> https://pestaid.com.au/is-it-illegal-to-kill-snakes-in-australia/
>
> What a ridiculous load of propagandist bullshit from an environmental
> group :)
>
> Get the skinny here:
>
>> https://www.environment.act.gov.au/parks-conservation/plants-and-animals/urban-wildlife/snakes
>>
>
> [quote]
>
> "Snakes are protected by law in all states and territories of Australia
> and may not be killed unless they threaten life. Offences under the
> Nature Conservation Act 2014 carry severe penalties. Snakes cannot be
> taken from the wild, kept without a licence, or traded without a licence."
>
> [End quote]
>
> It's the "unless they threaten life" clause that makes the killing of
> snakes legal in particular circumstances.
>
>
>
>

*Very* specific circumstances, none of which apply here, lawbreaker.

On 24/11/2021 10:21 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 7:09 am, John_H wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 7:55 am, John_H wrote:
>>>
>>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste paper
>>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>>
>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>> people or pets!
>
> https://pestaid.com.au/is-it-illegal-to-kill-snakes-in-australia/

Sure, if there is no other option and you are in immediate danger you
might have a case, but nothing in this thread has suggested anything
like that situation, in fact "I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our
house recently and it certainly wasn't agressive and made no attempt to
strike" is the complete opposite of that and is clearly illegal.

https://www.snakecatchers.com/snakeremoval/victoria/bacchus_marsh

No excuses, what they are doing is clearly unlawful.

Noddy wrote:
>On 24/11/2021 8:09 am, John_H wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike. I used a waste paper
>>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>>
>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>> people or pets!
>
>It is indeed, and if the licensed Westralian motor mouth had a clue he
>would know this.
>
>> Besides which, professional snake catchers are rarer than rocking
>> horse shit outside of suburbia!
>
>We have access to them here, but their policy is to catch the snake,
>charge you 200 bucks for the privilege, and then take it 200 mtrs up the
>road and let it go because "it needs to remain in it's environment".

$200 appears to be the standard fee throughout Oz but it's purely
academic where I am as the nearest one is 160km away and only does it
part time AFAIK. He's also selective as to which jobs he takes on.

>Yeah, right.
>
>> I'd also suggest that no one has ever been prosecuted for killing a
>> snake in their house or backyard, including non venomous species,
>> especially since a very large number of people can't tell the
>> difference.
>
>Snakes specifically are not protected in and of themselves. They fall
>under the umbrella of general protection afforded to all natural fauna
>and as such there is no specific "snake" law. It is, however, perfectly
>legal to kill a snake or any other "protected" animal that poses a
>threat to you as you say.

An eastern brown poses a threat by its mere proximity to humans and
pets. I don't know of anyone, including snake handlers, who'd
tolerate one running free inside their house or any other building
frequented by people. Clocky is an idiot!

>Common sense applies. It would be ridiculously difficult to offer up a
>plea "self defence" and expect to get away with it if you killed a Koala
>or an Echidna, but one of the world's most deadliest snakes in your
>house threatening to bite you would be a completely different story
>despite the protection laws.

As an observation... echidnas are a common sight on our roads during
summer and very obviously a lot of folk go out of their way to run
over them, which usually costs a tyre according to son's tyre fitter
mate (there being at least some natural justice).

>> Do you happen to know how to positively identify an eastern brown
>> snake?
>>
>> Clue: It's much easier after they're dead.
>
>This bloke can't tell the difference between plastic and glass. What
>hope has he got with anything more complicated?
>
>> Further to which, snakebite victims have long long been advised to
>> kill the snake and bring it with them for identification when seeking
>> medical treatment although it probably shouldn't be necessary in this
>> day and age with the development of polyvalent anti venom (where
>> available). Nor does it cover all of the venomous species.
>
>I don't think killing the snake is recommended any longer, but being
>able to positively identify what it is can help speed up the recovery
>process.

Throughout much of Oz the Eastern Brown (also called Common Brown) is
frequently confused with the King Brown (aka Mulga Snake) which isn't
even a related species although they look similar. Nor are they as
venomous and their bite is treated with a different antivenom . The
experts identify them by a scale count.

Further to an earlier discussion as to the risk they pose relative to
size... a few years back DiL's pedigree cat killed a juvenile brown,
which she estimated at around 15" IIRC, and was bitten in the process.
She took it to the vet (who's a bit over an hour away) and it
survived, though barely. A bite from a 1.5 metre brown can kill a
large dog in 10 minutes, a cat somewhat less, so the small ones don't
seem to be nearly as dangerous.

I also got he bill for the antivenom, since we have a business acount
with the vet. It was $250 at the time.

--
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On 25/11/2021 9:18 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>>> Besides which, professional snake catchers are rarer than rocking
>>> horse shit outside of suburbia!
>>
>> We have access to them here, but their policy is to catch the snake,
>> charge you 200 bucks for the privilege, and then take it 200 mtrs up the
>> road and let it go because "it needs to remain in it's environment".
>
> $200 appears to be the standard fee throughout Oz but it's purely
> academic where I am as the nearest one is 160km away and only does it
> part time AFAIK. He's also selective as to which jobs he takes on.

As you would be in that position, and I don't blame them either. Many
businesses who find themselves in similar situations work in exactly the
same way. If you have the luxury of picking and choosing your own work,
why would you take anything but the easy stuff?

>> Snakes specifically are not protected in and of themselves. They fall
>> under the umbrella of general protection afforded to all natural fauna
>> and as such there is no specific "snake" law. It is, however, perfectly
>> legal to kill a snake or any other "protected" animal that poses a
>> threat to you as you say.
>
> An eastern brown poses a threat by its mere proximity to humans and
> pets. I don't know of anyone, including snake handlers, who'd
> tolerate one running free inside their house or any other building
> frequented by people.

Exactly. They are an *extremely* aggressive animal and totally
unpredictable in their behaviour. Being in close proximity to one in and
of itself is inherently dangerous.

> Clocky is an idiot!

That's been a long established fact. The moron *clearly* has zero
experience on the subject but it doesn't stop him mouthing off as if
he's an expert. Which in itself is nothing unusual :)

>> Common sense applies. It would be ridiculously difficult to offer up a
>> plea "self defence" and expect to get away with it if you killed a Koala
>> or an Echidna, but one of the world's most deadliest snakes in your
>> house threatening to bite you would be a completely different story
>> despite the protection laws.
>
> As an observation... echidnas are a common sight on our roads during
> summer and very obviously a lot of folk go out of their way to run
> over them, which usually costs a tyre according to son's tyre fitter
> mate (there being at least some natural justice).

We get a few around here, and I always stop and pick them up and move
them off the road if I come across one. Their barbs are ridiculously
sharp and you can't pick one up without using a pair of welding gloves
or wrapping a thick rag or blanket around it first. I can understand how
one would make a mess of a tyre.

The biggest willful destruction of wildlife we see around here is either
people shooting Roo's, or deliberately running over blue tongues that
are sunning themselves on the road.

>> I don't think killing the snake is recommended any longer, but being
>> able to positively identify what it is can help speed up the recovery
>> process.
>
> Throughout much of Oz the Eastern Brown (also called Common Brown) is
> frequently confused with the King Brown (aka Mulga Snake) which isn't
> even a related species although they look similar. Nor are they as
> venomous and their bite is treated with a different antivenom . The
> experts identify them by a scale count.

I believe so.

Last time I was in hospital for a minor procedure (which wasn't snake
related) I got talking to the anesthetist nurse about snakes as she
lived local and hated the things. Her advice if you get bitten is not to
wash the wound area and just bandage straight over the top, as venom is
often left on the skin and it can be used to identify the species and
apply the appropriate treatment.

> Further to an earlier discussion as to the risk they pose relative to
> size... a few years back DiL's pedigree cat killed a juvenile brown,
> which she estimated at around 15" IIRC, and was bitten in the process.
> She took it to the vet (who's a bit over an hour away) and it
> survived, though barely. A bite from a 1.5 metre brown can kill a
> large dog in 10 minutes, a cat somewhat less, so the small ones don't
> seem to be nearly as dangerous.

That seems to be the general consensus, but it's not a theory I ever
want to put to the test :)

> I also got he bill for the antivenom, since we have a business acount
> with the vet. It was $250 at the time.

That's cheap.

A few years ago I was mucking out my chook house when I saw my now
departed dog thrashing around with a 4 foot Brown snake in it's mouth
that it had pulled out from under the chook pen. I had no idea if the
dog had been bitten, so I killed the snake and bundled the dog into the
car and drove it straight to the vet which is ten minutes away at speed.

I was panicking on the way as the dog was salivating quite heavily and
in a fairly excited state, but the vets were pretty laid back. They
asked how long ago it happened and walked the dog up and down the
corridor a few times to see how steady it was on it's feet and they came
to the conclusion within 10 minutes that if she *was* bitten it was a
"dry" bite and she was showing no signs of neurotoxin poisoning. Still,
I left her there for observation at their recommendation with
instructions to use the antivenom if necessary, but fortunately they
never needed to and I picked her up later that day. Cost of the
antivenom treatment was a thousand bucks.

The dog survived another encounter with a snake a few years later, but
eventually succumbed to a spinal paralysis at around 10 years of age.

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Noddy.

On 24/11/2021 7:31 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 8:09 am, John_H wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste paper
>>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>>
>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>> people or pets!
>
> It is indeed, and if the licensed Westralian motor mouth had a clue he
> would know this.

I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the big
difference.
Exactly like you borrowing a firearm to blindly take potshots at a tin
can on your fenceline - you have history here.

Clocky wrote:
>On 24/11/2021 7:31 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 8:09 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste paper
>>>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>>>
>>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>>> people or pets!
>>
>> It is indeed, and if the licensed Westralian motor mouth had a clue he
>> would know this.
>
>I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
>have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the big
>difference.

Try reading Section 130 of the Nature Conservation ACT 2014 which is
the law and specifically states....
(3) This section does not apply to a person if the injury or
endangerment of the animal was caused—
(a) in circumstances in which the animal was a danger to the person

>Exactly like you borrowing a firearm to blindly take potshots at a tin
>can on your fenceline - you have history here.

And if you happened to be a snake you'd be venomous!

--
John H

On 30/11/21 11:33 am, John_H wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 7:31 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2021 8:09 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>>>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste paper
>>>>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>>>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>>>>
>>>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>>>> people or pets!
>>>
>>> It is indeed, and if the licensed Westralian motor mouth had a clue he
>>> would know this.
>>
>> I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
>> have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the big
>> difference.
>
> Try reading Section 130 of the Nature Conservation ACT 2014 which is
> the law and specifically states....
> (3) This section does not apply to a person if the injury or
> endangerment of the animal was caused—
> (a) in circumstances in which the animal was a danger to the person
>
>> Exactly like you borrowing a firearm to blindly take potshots at a tin
>> can on your fenceline - you have history here.
>
> And if you happened to be a snake you'd be venomous!
>

ROTFL.

--
Daryl

On 30/11/2021 11:33 am, John_H wrote:
> Clocky wrote:

>> I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
>> have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the big
>> difference.
>
> Try reading Section 130 of the Nature Conservation ACT 2014 which is
> the law and specifically states....
> (3) This section does not apply to a person if the injury or
> endangerment of the animal was caused—
> (a) in circumstances in which the animal was a danger to the person
>
>> Exactly like you borrowing a firearm to blindly take potshots at a tin
>> can on your fenceline - you have history here.
>
> And if you happened to be a snake you'd be venomous!

Lol :) He's a moron with nothing better to do than remind everyone of
that fact as you're no doubt aware.

I remember when the conversation of shooting at the tin can against the
back fence was current he made some ridiculous claim that I was "Blindly
shooting at pigeons across my back fence into neighbouring properties"

Of course, I never said I was doing any such thing at all, and in fact
that comment was a complete fabrication. When that was brought to his
attention the relevance deprived idiot claimed he never said it despite
it being there in black and white for all to see less than 24 hours earlier.

What do you expect from an imbecile who claims he had to "physically
prove" his competency to a government department who's only requirement
was that he present his credentials and pay a fee :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 30/11/2021 8:33 am, John_H wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 7:31 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2021 8:09 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it certainly
>>>>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste paper
>>>>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished floor by
>>>>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>>>>
>>>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>>>> people or pets!
>>>
>>> It is indeed, and if the licensed Westralian motor mouth had a clue he
>>> would know this.
>>
>> I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
>> have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the big
>> difference.
>
> Try reading Section 130 of the Nature Conservation ACT 2014 which is
> the law and specifically states....
> (3) This section does not apply to a person if the injury or
> endangerment of the animal was caused—
> (a) in circumstances in which the animal was a danger to the person

That condition does *not* apply to anything described in this thread.

Nice try, but you both broke the law. Period.

On 30/11/2021 12:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/11/2021 11:33 am, John_H wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>
>>> I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
>>> have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the
>>> big
>>> difference.
>>
>> Try reading Section 130 of the Nature Conservation ACT 2014 which is
>> the law and specifically states....
>> (3) This section does not apply to a person if the injury or
>> endangerment of the animal was caused—
>> (a) in circumstances in which the animal was a danger to the person
>>
>>> Exactly like you borrowing a firearm to blindly take potshots at a tin
>>> can on your fenceline - you have history here.
>>
>> And if you happened to be a snake you'd be venomous!
>
> Lol :) He's a moron with nothing better to do than remind everyone of
> that fact as you're no doubt aware.
>
> I remember when the conversation of shooting at the tin can against
> the back fence was current he made some ridiculous claim that I was
> "Blindly shooting at pigeons across my back fence into neighbouring
> properties"
>
> Of course, I never said I was doing any such thing at all, and in fact
> that comment was a complete fabrication.

comment that was a complete fabrication? he must have been following
your (many) examples

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 30/11/2021 4:57 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 30/11/2021 8:33 am, John_H wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2021 7:31 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 24/11/2021 8:09 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it
>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste
>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished
>>>>>>> floor by
>>>>>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>>>>> people or pets!
>>>>
>>>> It is indeed, and if the licensed Westralian motor mouth had a clue he
>>>> would know this.
>>>
>>> I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
>>> have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the
>>> big
>>> difference.
>>
>> Try reading Section 130 of the Nature Conservation ACT 2014 which is
>> the law and specifically states....
>> (3) This section does not apply to a person if the injury or
>> endangerment of the animal was caused—
>> (a) in circumstances in which the animal was a danger to the person
>
> That condition does *not* apply to anything described in this thread.
>
> Nice try, but you both broke the law. Period.
>
>

personally I wouldn't care what the law was or what kind of snake it
was. if there was a snake anywhere on my property I would kill it.
killed one many years ago when this locale was more rural than it is now.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 30/11/21 12:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/11/2021 11:33 am, John_H wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>
>>> I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
>>> have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the big
>>> difference.
>>
>> Try reading Section 130 of the Nature Conservation ACT 2014 which is
>> the law and specifically states....
>> (3) This section does not apply to a person if the injury or
>> endangerment of the animal was caused—
>> (a) in circumstances in which the animal was a danger to the person
>>
>>> Exactly like you borrowing a firearm to blindly take potshots at a tin
>>> can on your fenceline - you have history here.
>>
>> And if you happened to be a snake you'd be venomous!
>
> Lol :) He's a moron with nothing better to do than remind everyone of
> that fact as you're no doubt aware.
>
> I remember when the conversation of shooting at the tin can against the
> back fence was current he made some ridiculous claim that I was "Blindly
> shooting at pigeons across my back fence into neighbouring properties"

You are shooting blindly whenever you have a rifle in your hands - or
whenever you shoot your mouth off.
>
> Of course, I never said I was doing any such thing at all, and in fact
> that comment was a complete fabrication. When that was brought to his
> attention the relevance deprived idiot claimed he never said it despite
> it being there in black and white for all to see less than 24 hours
> earlier.
>
> What do you expect from an imbecile who claims he had to "physically
> prove" his competency to a government department who's only requirement
> was that he present his credentials and pay a fee :)

That piece of paper - his *credentials* (trade papers) that he had to
show - was the proof of his competency. Much to your chagrin, *you*
don't have that piece of paper Darren. The reason for your lack of same
was that you didn't even meet the minimum entry standard to even sign up
to an apprenticeship - but that didn't stop you lying and *falsely*
claiming that you did. If you are *unqualified*, as you most certainly
are, you don't even get to first base in the motor trade in NSW or WA.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 30/11/2021 2:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 30/11/2021 4:57 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 30/11/2021 8:33 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 24/11/2021 7:31 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 24/11/2021 8:09 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I killed a 50cm (18") brown inside our house recently and it
>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>> wasn't agressive and made no attempt to strike.  I used a waste
>>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>> basket to pin it down as I didn't want to damage the polished
>>>>>>>> floor by
>>>>>>>> belting or shooting it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Snakes are protected and there is no need to kill them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's perfectly legal to kill a venomous snake that poses a threat to
>>>>>> people or pets!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is indeed, and if the licensed Westralian motor mouth had a clue he
>>>>> would know this.
>>>>
>>>> I know the law and you two idiots think you know the law but in reality
>>>> have substituted your own pig ignorant ideas for the law, that's the
>>>> big
>>>> difference.
>>>
>>> Try reading Section 130 of the Nature Conservation ACT 2014 which is
>>> the law and specifically states....
>>> (3) This section does not apply to a person if the injury or
>>> endangerment of the animal was caused—
>>> (a) in circumstances in which the animal was a danger to the person
>>
>> That condition does *not* apply to anything described in this thread.
>>
>> Nice try, but you both broke the law. Period.
>>
>>
>
> personally I wouldn't care what the law was or what kind of snake it
> was. if there was a snake anywhere on my property I would kill it.
> killed one many years ago when this locale was more rural than it is now.
>

What, you would even kill pythons?

There is almost never a need to kill snakes. You place yourself at
greater risk trying to kill a snake then if you leave it be almost all
of the time.

I find the level of ignorance and unreasonable fear as well as unlawful
behaviour on display by supposed adults to be much more frightening than
any snake I have ever encountered and I have encountered plenty.