On 29/12/2022 11:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Staff ARE the charitable cause in most charities.
> The Royal Society For The Protection Of Useless Administrators and
> Telephone sanitizers....

+1

On 29/12/2022 11:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/12/2022 10:15, mm0fmf wrote:
>> On 28/12/2022 18:42, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> RNIB, Guide Dogs and Thomas Pocklington Trusts
>>> bottom lines and ask yourself, should they not be using their money more
>>> wisely?
>>
>> RNIB income in 2021 £ 86,486,000.  They spent £ 79,066,000 of which
>> £10,061,000 was spent on raising funds, £ 53,910,000 on charitable
>> activities (what they exist for) and £ 14,560,000 on running the
>> charity itself. £8,150,000 was kept for future use. They have 1412 staff.
>>
>> The question is whether the £54m spent on charitable activities is
>> worth the £25m it costs to run the charity and raise the money in the
>> first place. Would halving the staff (lower employment costs, less
>> office space - lower rent) and halving what was spent on fund raising
>> produce a better return for the charitable cause. i.e. spend £13m on
>> costs and fund raising and spend £30m on the charitable causes? That
>> makes the charity look better, a greater proportion is spent on the
>> charitable cause. But the £24m less would be spent.
>>
> Staff ARE the charitable cause in most charities.
> The Royal Society For The Protection Of Useless Administrators and
> Telephone sanitizers....
>
>

And children. Many a family/company charity exists to provide jobs for
the children of the founder.

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On 12/28/2022 12:43 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 28/12/2022 14:08, Paul wrote:
> ..
>> The tyres on BEVs can wear out faster than on ICE cars.
>> An example was something I saw in some comments, where a
>> Tesla vehicle wore out its tyres in only 4000 miles.
> ...
>
> Is that because the tyres were fitted to a BEV, or because the manufacturer specified high-grip tyres? When I used to go on motor rallies, we changed to high grip tyres, which had about one third of the life of the standard tyres we had been using, but would hold on to the road as if the car was running on rails.
>

On my previous car (Acura Integra), the car was fitted
with just terrible tyres. The high-grip kind. The side
walls were weak, and going into a modest corner, the
car would "shift" when the sidewalls started to wibble.

At the tyre shop, they offered me some higher speed
rated tyres, and the sidewalls actually remained upright
for a change. I got about 50K from those.

I would think the design parameters of BEV tyres, would
leave fewer options for design. Since nearly every
customer has "range anxiety", a low rolling resistance
tyre with less grip, is the thing to ship on it. A grippy
variety would eat too much range. Customers would be
coming back, whining about the range value displayed
on the screen. Since the range is prominent in the
adverts for the thing, if you were promised 300km,
and you got significantly less, you would be whining
at the sales desk.

Paul

On 29/12/2022 11:06 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 28/12/2022 19:11, Theo wrote:

>> A friend of this author just replaced the tires on his Tesla Model S
>> after a mere 4,000 miles due to wear.  This balance between long life
>> and traction is even more delicate with tires fitted to EVs than those
>> on ICE vehicles

> I think the tyres on my minis used to last at best 4,000 miles, but the
> tyres on my Defender lasted 50,000.
> It's all about how hard you drive and how soft the compounds are...

....and how many times the wheels have to turn to travel a mile.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27 Dec 2022 09:26:14 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> Business news on the radio this morning contained an item about the state
>> of the car market in 2022.
>>
>> One surprise was a comment that of all used cars, EV values were falling
>> the fastest.
>>
> Surprise ???
>
> I thought the car was not worth a f**k when the battery expired. I
> expect most other people think the same.
>

Most people are ill-informed.

https://bookmygarage.com/electric-vehicles/how-much-does-an-electric-battery-cost-uk/

Tim

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Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 27 Dec 2022 09:26:14 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Business news on the radio this morning contained an item about the state
> >> of the car market in 2022.
> >>
> >> One surprise was a comment that of all used cars, EV values were falling
> >> the fastest.
> >>
> > Surprise ???
> >
> > I thought the car was not worth a f**k when the battery expired. I
> > expect most other people think the same.
> >
>
> Most people are ill-informed.
>
> https://bookmygarage.com/electric-vehicles/how-much-does-an-electric-battery-cost-uk/

Also, we don't have good data for how long they last in reality yet. The
EVs that are suffering battery degradation are mostly first-gen EVs (eg the
2010-released Nissan Leaf and the 2009-released Mitsubishi i-MIEV). Other
EVs (eg the 2012 Tesla Model S) aren't degrading very much. So we know that
some first gen EVs are holding up well and some aren't, and it's possible to
draw some conclusions from that (Teslas have a liquid cooled battery, Leafs
just have a fan).

The second-gen EVs (~2015 onwards) are holding up fine so far, but they
aren't old enough to know whether they'll last 10, 20 or more years.

Theo
(who would be quite happy with a 2014 Tesla if such were available at a
non-crazy price - currently £25-30k for the base models)

On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:34:41 +0000, Theo wrote:

> The second-gen EVs (~2015 onwards) are holding up fine so far, but they
> aren't old enough to know whether they'll last 10, 20 or more years.

My 2016 Leaf has a specified range of 155 miles and is now showing
predicted range of 85 miles fully charged.

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On 29 Dec 2022 at 19:33:43 GMT, The Other John wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:34:41 +0000, Theo wrote:
>
>> The second-gen EVs (~2015 onwards) are holding up fine so far, but they
>> aren't old enough to know whether they'll last 10, 20 or more years.
>
> My 2016 Leaf has a specified range of 155 miles and is now showing
> predicted range of 85 miles fully charged.

I wonder if that's a range adjusted for winter?

Isn't there a way to estimate remaining battery capacity as an objective
amount - like, say, smart phones can?
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On 12/29/2022 2:33 PM, The Other John wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:34:41 +0000, Theo wrote:
>
>> The second-gen EVs (~2015 onwards) are holding up fine so far, but they
>> aren't old enough to know whether they'll last 10, 20 or more years.
>
> My 2016 Leaf has a specified range of 155 miles and is now showing
> predicted range of 85 miles fully charged.
>

Nissan Leaf - £3,393 (39)

https://www.evgo.com/blog/nissan-leaf-battery-life/

"One of the most important rules of Nissan LEAF battery maintenance is
keeping the battery charge between 20% and 80%. Letting your LEAF’s
battery die regularly or charging it to full capacity regularly will
cause your battery modules to degrade faster."

Paul

In article <tokq2n$d1na$1@dont-email.me>,
The Other John <nomail@here.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:34:41 +0000, Theo wrote:

> > The second-gen EVs (~2015 onwards) are holding up fine so far, but they
> > aren't old enough to know whether they'll last 10, 20 or more years.

> My 2016 Leaf has a specified range of 155 miles and is now showing
> predicted range of 85 miles fully charged.

cold battery

I charged my Enyaq to 80% on Tuesday and it showed 180 miles. Now it shows
134 miles . It hasn't moved.

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 15:44:40 -0500, Paul wrote:

> Nissan Leaf - £3,393 (39)
>
> https://www.evgo.com/blog/nissan-leaf-battery-life/
>
> "One of the most important rules of Nissan LEAF battery maintenance
> is
> keeping the battery charge between 20% and 80%. Letting your LEAF’s
> battery die regularly or charging it to full capacity regularly
> will cause your battery modules to degrade faster."

That's a lower price than the £7k+ price that is often bandied about.

If I only charge it to 80% that will give me a range of 68 miles now, so
it's too late to think about how to stop the charge at 80%. I don't let
it get lower than 50% before topping it up. I only use a domestic 'Granny'
charger which is surely kinder to the battery than a high power fast
charger?

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The Other John <nomail@here.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:34:41 +0000, Theo wrote:
>
> > The second-gen EVs (~2015 onwards) are holding up fine so far, but they
> > aren't old enough to know whether they'll last 10, 20 or more years.
>
> My 2016 Leaf has a specified range of 155 miles and is now showing
> predicted range of 85 miles fully charged.

That's a first gen EV - they haven't really changed the design since 2010.
Still no liquid battery cooling (even in the 2023 Leaf).

Theo

On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 21:27:41 +0000, charles wrote:

> I charged my Enyaq to 80% on Tuesday and it showed 180 miles. Now it
> shows 134 miles . It hasn't moved.

How do you charge it to 80% Charles? Is the charger or the car
programmable or do you have to keep monitoring it?

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In article <tomei0$ksu9$1@dont-email.me>,
The Other John <nomail@here.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 21:27:41 +0000, charles wrote:

> > I charged my Enyaq to 80% on Tuesday and it showed 180 miles. Now it
> > shows 134 miles . It hasn't moved.

> How do you charge it to 80% Charles? Is the charger or the car
> programmable or do you have to keep monitoring it?

The car's own control. I can set the level as I require. 80% noremally, but
100% if I'm going on a long journey: so far 5 or 6 times in 15 months

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On 29/12/2022 15:52, JNugent wrote:
> On 29/12/2022 11:06 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 28/12/2022 19:11, Theo wrote:
>
>>> A friend of this author just replaced the tires on his Tesla Model S
>>> after a mere 4,000 miles due to wear.  This balance between long life
>>> and traction is even more delicate with tires fitted to EVs than those
>>> on ICE vehicles
>
>> I think the tyres on my minis used to last at best 4,000 miles, but
>> the tyres on my Defender lasted 50,000.
>> It's all about how hard you drive and how soft the compounds are...
>
> ...and how many times the wheels have to turn to travel a mile.
>
Yes, that too.

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On 29/12/2022 19:33, The Other John wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022 17:34:41 +0000, Theo wrote:
>
>> The second-gen EVs (~2015 onwards) are holding up fine so far, but they
>> aren't old enough to know whether they'll last 10, 20 or more years.
>
> My 2016 Leaf has a specified range of 155 miles and is now showing
> predicted range of 85 miles fully charged.
>
That's about the sort of degradation my (model aircraft) LiPo batteries
exhibit.

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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

Richard <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 28/12/2022 11:50, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>> On 28/12/2022 11:35, Richard wrote:
>>> On 28/12/2022 11:32, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>>> On 28/12/2022 11:17, Richard wrote:
>>>>> On 28/12/2022 09:47, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/12/2022 09:34, Richard wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/12/2022 09:07, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/12/2022 20:29, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/12/2022 17:20, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> why do charity spongers ask for nineteen pounds and seven pence
>>>>>>>>>> on tv and not a round number ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do the spongers, suggest you adopt so many animals, whales,
>>>>>>>>> polar bears, lions, tigers, donkeys, elephants, horses, dogs,
>>>>>>>>> cats, penguins? I adopted them all, put them in my garage, but
>>>>>>>>> they just fight all the time
>>>>>>>> Donkeys are so cool .......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpo7hVxC0mU
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which third world country is that?
>>>>>> Ayrshire.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit the New Forest to see donkeys that are not living in such
>>>>> desolation.
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99RgAA_Xu30
>>>> what desolation ? ....
>>>
>>> The nice settings in which your video is made. Makes Millbrook council
>>> estate seem fairly idyllic.
>> you would be more used to that then ...
>
> Do have the odd occasion to drive through said estate.
>
> However, I do live in and drive through a nice chunk of the New Forest
> on my way to and from work. Often encounter ponies, donkeys, pigs (in
> the pannage season), deer etc. Not so much in the depths of winter though.
>

Nice isn’t it , used to drive that road daily but now retired so just enjoy
living on the edge of the Forest.
Just wish that tempting though it is that people don’t pet and feed the
animals as it encourages them
to loiter by the roadsides where especially in darker conditions they get
fatally hit often a slow lingering death as the sod just drives off.
Mate has a Donkey at the other end of the village , it has been known to go
walkabout but then so does his Ram whose evidence of nocturnal wanderings
enjoying juicy bits of prize gardens was proven by several house security
cameras.
I suppose it makes a change from Cats.

GH

On 01/01/2023 10:15, Marland wrote:
> Richard <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 28/12/2022 11:50, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>> On 28/12/2022 11:35, Richard wrote:
>>>> On 28/12/2022 11:32, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>>>> On 28/12/2022 11:17, Richard wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/12/2022 09:47, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/12/2022 09:34, Richard wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/12/2022 09:07, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/12/2022 20:29, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/12/2022 17:20, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> why do charity spongers ask for nineteen pounds and seven pence
>>>>>>>>>>> on tv and not a round number ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do the spongers, suggest you adopt so many animals, whales,
>>>>>>>>>> polar bears, lions, tigers, donkeys, elephants, horses, dogs,
>>>>>>>>>> cats, penguins? I adopted them all, put them in my garage, but
>>>>>>>>>> they just fight all the time
>>>>>>>>> Donkeys are so cool .......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpo7hVxC0mU
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which third world country is that?
>>>>>>> Ayrshire.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit the New Forest to see donkeys that are not living in such
>>>>>> desolation.
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99RgAA_Xu30
>>>>> what desolation ? ....
>>>>
>>>> The nice settings in which your video is made. Makes Millbrook council
>>>> estate seem fairly idyllic.
>>> you would be more used to that then ...
>>
>> Do have the odd occasion to drive through said estate.
>>
>> However, I do live in and drive through a nice chunk of the New Forest
>> on my way to and from work. Often encounter ponies, donkeys, pigs (in
>> the pannage season), deer etc. Not so much in the depths of winter though.
>>
>
> Nice isn’t it , used to drive that road daily but now retired so just enjoy
> living on the edge of the Forest.

Not sure which road you drove. I use the B3054 mainly and hang a right
through Pilley on my way to work. The reverse on the way home.

> Just wish that tempting though it is that people don’t pet and feed the
> animals as it encourages them
> to loiter by the roadsides where especially in darker conditions they get
> fatally hit often a slow lingering death as the sod just drives off.

Wonder if the proposals for increased penalties will get through:
https://www.hampshirelive.news/news/hampshire-news/new-forest-pspo-could-see-7761696

> Mate has a Donkey at the other end of the village , it has been known to go
> walkabout but then so does his Ram whose evidence of nocturnal wanderings
> enjoying juicy bits of prize gardens was proven by several house security
> cameras.
> I suppose it makes a change from Cats.

Often see donkeys pillaging gardens through fences in Pilley. The pigs
there at pannage can slow one down somewhat.