https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4

aka a recipe for disaster

Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
engines will be reliable?

On 3/01/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>
> aka a recipe for disaster
>
> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
> engines will be reliable?

yes. seems very complicated.

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On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>
>aka a recipe for disaster
>
>Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>engines will be reliable?

Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.

What a devilish complicated monster!

On 5/1/22 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>
>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>
>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>> engines will be reliable?
>
> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>
> What a devilish complicated monster!

Doesn't look all that complicated mechanically, the electronics that
control it might be interesting.
When you compare that to some very powerful old aircraft piston engines
like radials it actually looks simple.
What remains to be seen is if the extra complication results in
significant reductions in emissions and reduced fuel consumption in the
real world.

--
Daryl

On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>
>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>
>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>> engines will be reliable?
>
> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>
> What a devilish complicated monster!

There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>
>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>
>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>> engines will be reliable?
>>
>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>
>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>
> There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
>
>
>
>
If you want complicated look at a Napier Deltic:-)

--
Daryl

On 5/01/2022 9:30 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>>
>>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>>
>>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>>> engines will be reliable?
>>>
>>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>>
>>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>>
>> There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> If you want complicated look at a Napier Deltic:-)

Lol :)

In some ways this Nissan engine reminds me of the Commer "Knocker"
engine that was around in the 1950's. No more or less complicated than
that, which first appeared almost 70 years ago.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 5/1/22 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>
>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>
>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>> engines will be reliable?
>
> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>
> What a devilish complicated monster!

Unnecessarily complex if you ask me. More to the point, Nissan can't
even get CVT transmissions right so what hope do they have of getting
this right. Expect to see plenty of Q50s on the scrap heap early on in
their lives. Just like the Navaras.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>
>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>
>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>> engines will be reliable?
>>
>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>
>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>
> There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
>
Just like the Navaras - plenty of *points of failure* and, rest assured,
those sucker Infiniti owners will find them all.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/1/22 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/01/2022 9:30 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>>>
>>>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>>>
>>>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>>>> engines will be reliable?
>>>>
>>>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>>>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>>>
>>>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>>>
>>> There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If you want complicated look at a Napier Deltic:-)
>
> Lol :)
>
> In some ways this Nissan engine reminds me of the Commer "Knocker"
> engine that was around in the 1950's. No more or less complicated than
> that, which first appeared almost 70 years ago.
>
>
>
At least with today's better engine materials and tolerances the added
complication shouldn't be an issue.
To me the question is whether or not it will live up to Nissan's
marketing dept claims.
Also despite all the hype about EV's car companies still haven't given
up on further development of IC engines.

--
Daryl

On 5/1/22 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/01/2022 9:30 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>>>
>>>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>>>
>>>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>>>> engines will be reliable?
>>>>
>>>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>>>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>>>
>>>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>>>
>>> There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> If you want complicated look at a Napier Deltic:-)
>
> Lol :)
>
> In some ways this Nissan engine reminds me of the Commer "Knocker"
> engine that was around in the 1950's. No more or less complicated than
> that, which first appeared almost 70 years ago.
>
Nah, the TS3 was a very simple (and compact) engine. I worked on a
number of them in the 60s and 70s, last one in 1979, when they were
getting long in the tooth. The simplicity was in the fact that they were
a *2 stroke* engine but, unlike the Detroit diesel, had no valves at
all. No valves meant no camshaft and, unlike most opposed piston
engines, only one crankshaft. That is a huge reduction in gearing
requirements right there The only *complication*, if you could even call
it that, were the two rocker shafts which redirected piston
reciprocating motion to the crankshaft. Hardly a complex arrangement and
only three (3) cylinders too. They were quite reliable for the era,
unsurprising given their relative simplicity. No head gaskets to blow
and, with the removal of the sump and side covers, you could remove all
pistons easily. The only real problem I ever saw with them was one
particular one I worked on that would always eat the fire rings. These
fire rings were the ones on the exhaust pistons because they ran hotter
than the inlet pistons. If you needed aerostart to get a TS3 running,
guaranteed the fire rings were gone. Those engines were both reliable,
economical and powerful for the era, getting 14-15 mpg back in the day.
They would rev to 3,000 RPM and produce the most torque at that speed
but if you kept them down between 2,000-2,500 RPM, they would run
forever. In fact the "Knocker" term was derived from the wear in the
timing gears in the blower creating a knock, knock, knock at idle,
nothing to do with typical diesel combustion knock at all.

An interesting aside, the engines were not originally designed by
Rootes/Commer. They were designed by a company called Tillings Stevens
and were originally designed for underfloor use in buses and boats hence
the designation TS3, the 3 being for the 3 cylinders though it is said
the TS part was for Two Stroke. Rootes took over the company They had a
TS4 on the drawing board but Chrysler killed it off along with the
Commer name when they took over Rootes in the 60s. The TS3, it is said,
was a copy of a Sulzer ZG9 (Swiss) engine of 1937. Don't know if it was
a *licenced copy* but Olds patented/licenced a copy through a company
they bought.

So, in reality, the Commer TS3 was a much simpler engine than a typical
4 stroke and even simpler than the GM 2 stroke diesel which had 4 valves
per cylinder, all exhaust valves, and the camshaft even ran the unit
injectors. Crank rockers don't add up to a lot of complexity Darren and,
had you actually ever worked on one, you would realise this. Back to
Google for you.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/1/22 11:52 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 5/1/22 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 5/01/2022 9:30 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>>>>> engines will be reliable?
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>>>>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>>>>
>>>> There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you want complicated look at a Napier Deltic:-)
>>
>> Lol :)
>>
>> In some ways this Nissan engine reminds me of the Commer "Knocker"
>> engine that was around in the 1950's. No more or less complicated than
>> that, which first appeared almost 70 years ago.
>>
>>
>>
> At least with today's better engine materials and tolerances the added
> complication shouldn't be an issue.
> To me the question is whether or not it will live up to Nissan's
> marketing dept claims.
> Also despite all the hype about EV's car companies still haven't given
> up on further development of IC engines.
>
They are squeezing the last efficiencies out of IC engines, the Infiniti
example being merely a sign of growing desperation. They should have
moved to hybrids - they are the best stopgap available at this point in
time.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/01/2022 4:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>
>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>
>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>> engines will be reliable?
>
> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>
> What a devilish complicated monster!
>

It's not that complicated and Nissan aren't the only ones using that
design, but it's good for only about 1 mile per gallon according to some
US based sites and Nissan have an appallingly poor reputation for
building anything that is reliable.

When you can't get a timing chain to last 40k in a conventional engine
or suspension that doesn't sag before 1st service is due, this looks
like a recipe for disaster.

On 5/1/22 1:48 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 5/01/2022 4:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>
>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>
>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>> engines will be reliable?
>>
>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>
>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>>
>
> It's not that complicated and Nissan aren't the only ones using that

The timing arrangements on some diesel engines are way more complex but
then, those engines are built by engineers with a clue. Given Nissan's
track record, I wouldn't be too hopeful that this won't turn into yet
another disaster for the company.

> design, but it's good for only about 1 mile per gallon according to some
> US based sites and Nissan have an appallingly poor reputation for
> building anything that is reliable.
>
> When you can't get a timing chain to last 40k in a conventional engine
> or suspension that doesn't sag before 1st service is due, this looks
> like a recipe for disaster.
>
For sure.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/01/2022 6:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>
>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>
>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>> engines will be reliable?
>
> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>
> What a devilish complicated monster!

Try the Bristol Hercules 14 cylinder sleeve valve radial engine

these are the timing gears

https://external-preview.redd.it/nj9nn27gDl3xfGgFXM6L3pwi_icqkRevxG08L9_IfZ4.jpg?auto=webp&s=4a9be3ecd263eb24529aa0a2297e9e96f46b83ff

On 5/01/2022 12:29 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/1/22 11:52 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/1/22 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 5/01/2022 9:30 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> engines will be reliable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
>>>>>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>>>>>
>>>>> There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you want complicated look at a Napier Deltic:-)
>>>
>>> Lol :)
>>>
>>> In some ways this Nissan engine reminds me of the Commer "Knocker"
>>> engine that was around in the 1950's. No more or less complicated
>>> than that, which first appeared almost 70 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> At least with today's better engine materials and tolerances the
>> added complication shouldn't be an issue.
>> To me the question is whether or not it will live up to Nissan's
>> marketing dept claims.
>> Also despite all the hype about EV's car companies still haven't
>> given up on further development of IC engines.
>>
> They are squeezing the last efficiencies out of IC engines, the
> Infiniti example being merely a sign of growing desperation. They
> should have moved to hybrids - they are the best stopgap available at
> this point in time.
>

exactly. why are they trying to improve the ICE when basically it's dead
in the water now.

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

On 5/01/2022 7:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 5/01/2022 6:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>
>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>
>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>> engines will be reliable?
>>
>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>
>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>
> Try the Bristol Hercules 14 cylinder sleeve valve radial engine
>
> these are the timing gears
>
> https://external-preview.redd.it/nj9nn27gDl3xfGgFXM6L3pwi_icqkRevxG08L9_IfZ4.jpg?auto=webp&s=4a9be3ecd263eb24529aa0a2297e9e96f46b83ff
>

Meh, just install the gear and line up the dots and repeat, it doesn't
look that complicated to set up. More impressive is how they designed
and made these things at the time.

On 5/1/22 10:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 5/01/2022 6:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>
>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>
>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>> engines will be reliable?
>>
>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>
>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>
> Try the Bristol Hercules 14 cylinder sleeve valve radial engine
>
> these are the timing gears
>
> https://external-preview.redd.it/nj9nn27gDl3xfGgFXM6L3pwi_icqkRevxG08L9_IfZ4.jpg?auto=webp&s=4a9be3ecd263eb24529aa0a2297e9e96f46b83ff
>

LOL, makes that Nissan engine look simple.

--
Daryl

On 6/01/2022 8:43 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 5/1/22 10:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 5/01/2022 6:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>>
>>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>>
>>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>>> engines will be reliable?
>>>
>>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>>
>>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>>
>> Try the Bristol Hercules 14 cylinder sleeve valve radial engine
>>
>> these are the timing gears
>>
>> https://external-preview.redd.it/nj9nn27gDl3xfGgFXM6L3pwi_icqkRevxG08L9_IfZ4.jpg?auto=webp&s=4a9be3ecd263eb24529aa0a2297e9e96f46b83ff
>>
>
>
> LOL, makes that Nissan engine look simple.

Compared to some engines we've seen, it pretty much is. I don't know why
Junior from Westyville thought it was interesting. Perhaps it is to him.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 09:30:32 UTC+11, Daryl wrote:
> On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
> > On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
> >>>
> >>> aka a recipe for disaster
> >>>
> >>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
> >>> engines will be reliable?
> >>
> >> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
> >> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
> >>
> >> What a devilish complicated monster!
> >
> > There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> If you want complicated look at a Napier Deltic:-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you look past the *seemingly* myriad moving parts, they are really just a bigger version of the then ubiquitous TS3. (Commer Knocker)
There`s nothing new under the sun. ;)..
>
> --
> Daryl

On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 12:27:18 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/1/22 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
> > On 5/01/2022 9:30 am, Daryl wrote:
> >> On 5/1/22 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
> >>> On 5/01/2022 7:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
> >>>>>
> >>>>> aka a recipe for disaster
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
> >>>>> engines will be reliable?
> >>>>
> >>>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
> >>>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
> >>>>
> >>>> What a devilish complicated monster!
> >>>
> >>> There is not the slightest thing complicated about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> If you want complicated look at a Napier Deltic:-)
> >
> > Lol :)
> >
> > In some ways this Nissan engine reminds me of the Commer "Knocker"
> > engine that was around in the 1950's. No more or less complicated than
> > that, which first appeared almost 70 years ago.
> >
> Nah, the TS3 was a very simple (and compact) engine. I worked on a
> number of them in the 60s and 70s, last one in 1979, when they were
> getting long in the tooth. The simplicity was in the fact that they were
> a *2 stroke* engine but, unlike the Detroit diesel, had no valves at
> all. No valves meant no camshaft and, unlike most opposed piston
> engines, only one crankshaft. That is a huge reduction in gearing
> requirements right there The only *complication*, if you could even call
> it that, were the two rocker shafts which redirected piston
> reciprocating motion to the crankshaft. Hardly a complex arrangement and
> only three (3) cylinders too. They were quite reliable for the era,
> unsurprising given their relative simplicity. No head gaskets to blow
> and, with the removal of the sump and side covers, you could remove all
> pistons easily. The only real problem I ever saw with them was one
> particular one I worked on that would always eat the fire rings. These
> fire rings were the ones on the exhaust pistons because they ran hotter
> than the inlet pistons. If you needed aerostart to get a TS3 running,
> guaranteed the fire rings were gone. Those engines were both reliable,
> economical and powerful for the era, getting 14-15 mpg back in the day.
> They would rev to 3,000 RPM and produce the most torque at that speed
> but if you kept them down between 2,000-2,500 RPM, they would run
> forever. In fact the "Knocker" term was derived from the wear in the
> timing gears in the blower creating a knock, knock, knock at idle,
> nothing to do with typical diesel combustion knock at all.
>
> An interesting aside, the engines were not originally designed by
> Rootes/Commer. They were designed by a company called Tillings Stevens
> and were originally designed for underfloor use in buses and boats hence
> the designation TS3, the 3 being for the 3 cylinders though it is said
> the TS part was for Two Stroke. Rootes took over the company They had a
> TS4 on the drawing board but Chrysler killed it off along with the
> Commer name when they took over Rootes in the 60s. The TS3, it is said,
> was a copy of a Sulzer ZG9 (Swiss) engine of 1937. Don't know if it was
> a *licenced copy* but Olds patented/licenced a copy through a company
> they bought.
>
> So, in reality, the Commer TS3 was a much simpler engine than a typical
> 4 stroke and even simpler than the GM 2 stroke diesel which had 4 valves
> per cylinder, all exhaust valves, and the camshaft even ran the unit
> injectors. Crank rockers don't add up to a lot of complexity Darren and,
> had you actually ever worked on one, you would realise this. Back to
> Google for you.
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No point, *you* have decimated the resource.
> --
> Xeno
>
>
> Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
> (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Thursday, 6 January 2022 at 00:05:46 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
> On 5/01/2022 7:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> > On 5/01/2022 6:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
> >>>
> >>> aka a recipe for disaster
> >>>
> >>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
> >>> engines will be reliable?
> >>
> >> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen. Far to
> >> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
> >>
> >> What a devilish complicated monster!
> >
> > Try the Bristol Hercules 14 cylinder sleeve valve radial engine
> >
> > these are the timing gears
> >
> > https://external-preview.redd.it/nj9nn27gDl3xfGgFXM6L3pwi_icqkRevxG08L9_IfZ4.jpg?auto=webp&s=4a9be3ecd263eb24529aa0a2297e9e96f46b83ff
> >
> Meh, just install the gear and line up the dots and repeat, it doesn't
> look that complicated to set up. More impressive is how they designed
> and made these things at the time.
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Connect the dots?, whoo-hoo, that means even *you* could possibly/probably handle it ???...

On 6/01/2022 11:45 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 12:27:18 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:

>>
>> So, in reality, the Commer TS3 was a much simpler engine than a typical
>> 4 stroke and even simpler than the GM 2 stroke diesel which had 4 valves
>> per cylinder, all exhaust valves, and the camshaft even ran the unit
>> injectors. Crank rockers don't add up to a lot of complexity Darren and,
>> had you actually ever worked on one, you would realise this. Back to
>> Google for you.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> No point, *you* have decimated the resource.

*Jesus* this fucking clueless attention whore will invent any kind of
ridiculous bullshit to waffle on, won't it?

I never said the Commer "Knocker" engine was complicated. I said the
Nissan engine reminded me of it in some ways, and that it was no more or
less complicated.

Fair dimkum, this useless piece of unicorn riding shit couldn't
comprehend basic language if you wrote it on a cricket bat and smashed
him in the face with it.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 6/01/2022 12:38 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 6 January 2022 at 00:05:46 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:

>>> Try the Bristol Hercules 14 cylinder sleeve valve radial engine
>>>
>>> these are the timing gears
>>>
>>> https://external-preview.redd.it/nj9nn27gDl3xfGgFXM6L3pwi_icqkRevxG08L9_IfZ4.jpg?auto=webp&s=4a9be3ecd263eb24529aa0a2297e9e96f46b83ff
>>>
>> Meh, just install the gear and line up the dots and repeat, it doesn't
>> look that complicated to set up. More impressive is how they designed
>> and made these things at the time.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Connect the dots?, whoo-hoo, that means even *you* could possibly/probably handle it ???...

I wouldn't bet big money on it. Why do you think he fits snorkels and
mudflaps for a living, and pisses down his leg with excitement over
something as mundane as wiring up a set of driving lights?

Did the Westie moron ever get around to telling anyone what he replaced
his old ex-taxi Commodore with?

What's the best it was another heap of shit Commodore :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 6/01/2022 6:04 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/01/2022 8:43 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/1/22 10:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 5/01/2022 6:49 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:29:02 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0An3RbXcPg
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4
>>>>>
>>>>> aka a recipe for disaster
>>>>>
>>>>> Nissan can't even get the basics right, what hope is there that these
>>>>> engines will be reliable?
>>>>
>>>> Clearly these are going the way of the ball point pen.  Far to
>>>> expensive to repair and cheaper to buy a new one.
>>>>
>>>> What a devilish complicated monster!
>>>
>>> Try the Bristol Hercules 14 cylinder sleeve valve radial engine
>>>
>>> these are the timing gears
>>>
>>> https://external-preview.redd.it/nj9nn27gDl3xfGgFXM6L3pwi_icqkRevxG08L9_IfZ4.jpg?auto=webp&s=4a9be3ecd263eb24529aa0a2297e9e96f46b83ff
>>>
>>
>>
>> LOL, makes that Nissan engine look simple.
>
> Compared to some engines we've seen, it pretty much is.

Nothing complex about it, never my point.

I don't know why
> Junior from Westyville thought it was interesting. Perhaps it is to him.
>
>
>

It's car related unlike say you posting a wet sand blaster build that
you 1:1 copied from some bloke on youtube, tried to claim as your own
"project"... and still couldn't get working :-)

You're as fake as your claimed qualifications and trade relevance!