https://www.virginmedia.com/help/landline/fibre-phone-faqs

On 25/02/2023 07:42, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
> https://www.virginmedia.com/help/landline/fibre-phone-faqs
no good in a power cut etc....stuff that

On 25/02/2023 07:42, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
> https://www.virginmedia.com/help/landline/fibre-phone-faqs

Warning: It can be complete bullshit about providing emergency backup
services for vulnerable customers who have existing devices like
panic/fall alarms which dial a 24/365 monitoring services who in turn
arrange for contacts and emergency services to attend.

Nothing Virgin supplied worked - they provided two different potential
solutions.

Virgins final solution : "you have a mobile phone so that will do as a
backup"

To solve the problem a new panic/fall hub was installed at an extra
ongoing cost from the monitoring service.

Don't believe everything Virgin claims and be aware if you, or your
relatives, have a similar system that has a wearable panic button that
interfaces to an auto dialler it should be tested before the Virgin
technician leaves the property and that existing equipment may not work
correctly, especially during a power cut.

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I'm still on copper because they say that as long as it is working they will
leave it as I am a priority customer and need the phone to work if internet
or mains goes down.
So basically it could be next week or ten years from now.
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"jim.gm4dhj" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> https://www.virginmedia.com/help/landline/fibre-phone-faqs

On 25/02/2023 08:28, alan_m wrote:
> On 25/02/2023 07:42, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>> https://www.virginmedia.com/help/landline/fibre-phone-faqs
>
> Warning: It can be complete bullshit about providing emergency backup
> services for vulnerable customers who have existing devices like
> panic/fall alarms which dial a 24/365 monitoring services who in turn
> arrange for contacts and emergency services to attend.
>
> Nothing Virgin supplied worked - they provided two different potential
> solutions.
>
> Virgins final solution : "you have a mobile phone so that will do as a
> backup"
>
> To solve the problem a new panic/fall hub was installed at an extra
> ongoing cost from the monitoring service.
>
> Don't believe everything Virgin claims and be aware if you, or your
> relatives, have a similar system that has a wearable panic button that
> interfaces to an auto dialler it should be tested before the Virgin
> technician leaves the property and that existing equipment may not work
> correctly, especially during a power cut.

Mine simply has Virgin's modem/router plugged into my UPS. The
home-server should see the mains power loss and shut-down gracefully,
leaving little load on the UPS, so I hope that it will support the phone
for some time.

On 25/02/2023 07:48, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
> On 25/02/2023 07:42, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>> https://www.virginmedia.com/help/landline/fibre-phone-faqs

> no good in a power cut etc....stuff that

A UPS is your friend

(yup, I know it sucks, but it is not like staying with what you have is
an option either!)

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On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.

How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes ?

On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>
> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes ?

As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.

On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>
>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes ?
>
> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>
isn't progress pathetic ? ..... only about saving money for big
companies....so we have to rejig all our phones......

On 25/02/2023 12:50, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I'm still on copper because they say that as long as it is working they will
> leave it as I am a priority customer and need the phone to work if internet
> or mains goes down.
> So basically it could be next week or ten years from now.
> Brian
>
sooner than later

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>
>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>>> ?
>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>
> isn't progress pathetic ? .....

Nope.

> only about saving money for big companies....

Bullshit.

> so we have to rejig all our phones......

Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.

Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:

> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>
>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>> ?
>
> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.

Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.

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On 26/02/2023 08:26, Bob Eager wrote:

>
> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.

City fibre ran the cable down my road last year and my ISP can now offer
me FTTP from (I believe) the City Fibre infrastructure.

The first thing City Fibre did was to install a green cabinet at the
edge of the pavement :)

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On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 10:43:29 +0000, alan_m wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 08:26, Bob Eager wrote:
>
>
>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>
> City fibre ran the cable down my road last year and my ISP can now offer
> me FTTP from (I believe) the City Fibre infrastructure.
>
> The first thing City Fibre did was to install a green cabinet at the
> edge of the pavement :)

OPenReach don't, as far as I know.

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On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 10:43:29 +0000, alan_m wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 08:26, Bob Eager wrote:
>
>
>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>
> City fibre ran the cable down my road last year and my ISP can now offer
> me FTTP from (I believe) the City Fibre infrastructure.
>
> The first thing City Fibre did was to install a green cabinet at the
> edge of the pavement :)

But it probably doesn't have to be powered - just a distribution point. OR
use the poles for that round here. I should have been more specific!

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On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>
>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>> boxes ?
>>>  As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>
>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>
> Nope.
>
>> only about saving money for big companies....
>
> Bullshit.
>
>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>
> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>
> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
just have to do that on the day...pain in the arse

On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>
>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes ?
>
> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>
FTTP has no roadside boxes that need power

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On 26/02/2023 06:19, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>
>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes ?
>>
>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>
> isn't progress pathetic ? ..... only about saving money for big
> companies....so we have to rejig all our phones......

Look at the bright side. Better call quality - especially on long lines.
Access to new capabilities like being able to access your line when out
of the house, and on your mobile. Lower cost international calling.
Fewer losses of service because some scrote has pinched the copper
cutting off a whole village for a week at a cost of 100sK to fix for a
couple of hundred quids worth of scrap copper.

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On 26/02/2023 11:00, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 10:43:29 +0000, alan_m wrote:
>
>> On 26/02/2023 08:26, Bob Eager wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>>
>> City fibre ran the cable down my road last year and my ISP can now offer
>> me FTTP from (I believe) the City Fibre infrastructure.
>>
>> The first thing City Fibre did was to install a green cabinet at the
>> edge of the pavement :)
>
> OPenReach don't, as far as I know.

That might partly reflect that they have been rolling out FTTP
intensively in places it was difficult to serve with other technologies.
So overhead services would be common in these cases. I can see in more
dense population areas some form of cabinet or manhole would be a useful
splice point.

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On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 14:30:33 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
> On 26/02/2023 11:00, Bob Eager wrote:
> > On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 10:43:29 +0000, alan_m wrote:
> >
> >> On 26/02/2023 08:26, Bob Eager wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
> >>
> >> City fibre ran the cable down my road last year and my ISP can now offer
> >> me FTTP from (I believe) the City Fibre infrastructure.
> >>
> >> The first thing City Fibre did was to install a green cabinet at the
> >> edge of the pavement :)
> >
> > OPenReach don't, as far as I know.
> That might partly reflect that they have been rolling out FTTP
> intensively in places it was difficult to serve with other technologies.
> So overhead services would be common in these cases. I can see in more
> dense population areas some form of cabinet or manhole would be a useful
> splice point.

Around here the splice boxes and passive splitters are on poles or in manholes,
but not green boxes. Unfortunately, although surrounded by areas with FTTP
it hasn't quite got here yet. I'm on a G.FAST box but too far away from it to benefit,
so probably considered low priority.

John

On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>
>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>> boxes ?
>>>  As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>
>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>
> Nope.
>
>> only about saving money for big companies....
>
> Bullshit.
>
>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>
> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>
> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

But that doesn't work without mains power, whereas POTS does!
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On 26 Feb 2023 at 08:26:46 GMT, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:
>
>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>
>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>>> ?
>>
>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>
> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.

So, with FTTP, your fibre-pair goes from your house ... to where?

Remember that even in 2008, when I retired, the kit we'd been working with
could, in principle, push 96 channels @ 10Gbps down a fibre-pair.

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On 26/02/2023 14:27, John Rumm wrote:
> On 26/02/2023 06:19, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>
>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>> boxes ?
>>>
>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>
>> isn't progress pathetic ? ..... only about saving money for big
>> companies....so we have to rejig all our phones......
>
> Look at the bright side. Better call quality - especially on long lines.
> Access to new capabilities like being able to access your line when out
> of the house, and on your mobile. Lower cost international calling.
> Fewer losses of service because some scrote has pinched the copper
> cutting off a whole village for a week at a cost of 100sK to fix for a
> couple of hundred quids worth of scrap copper.
>
>
No more spoofed numbers on Caller-id

In article <k61g81F38gmU1@mid.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2023 at 08:26:46 GMT, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

> > On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:
> >
> >> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
> >>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
> >>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
> >>>
> >>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
> >>> ?
> >>
> >> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
> >
> > Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.

> So, with FTTP, your fibre-pair goes from your house ... to where?

In my case to a pole mounted splitter - feeding 2 other houses and then
underground. It might simply go to the local FTTC cabinet.

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Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 26/02/2023 14:27, John Rumm wrote:

>> Look at the bright side. Better call quality - especially on long lines.
>> Access to new capabilities like being able to access your line when out
>> of the house, and on your mobile. Lower cost international calling.
>> Fewer losses of service because some scrote has pinched the copper
>> cutting off a whole village for a week at a cost of 100sK to fix for a
>> couple of hundred quids worth of scrap copper.
>>
>>
> No more spoofed numbers on Caller-id
>

Why not?

Tim

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