On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 21:43:29 +1100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 08:26, Bob Eager wrote:
>
>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>
> City fibre ran the cable down my road last year and my ISP can now offer
> me FTTP from (I believe) the City Fibre infrastructure.
>
> The first thing City Fibre did was to install a green cabinet at the
> edge of the pavement :)

Nothing like that in our new housing subdivisions,
what you lot call an estate and they are all FTTP.

On 26/02/2023 17:16, Tim+ wrote:
> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 26/02/2023 14:27, John Rumm wrote:
>
>>> Look at the bright side. Better call quality - especially on long lines.
>>> Access to new capabilities like being able to access your line when out
>>> of the house, and on your mobile. Lower cost international calling.
>>> Fewer losses of service because some scrote has pinched the copper
>>> cutting off a whole village for a week at a cost of 100sK to fix for a
>>> couple of hundred quids worth of scrap copper.
>>>
>>>
>> No more spoofed numbers on Caller-id
>>
>
> Why not?
>
> Tim
>

Not sure what the technical details are but I have heard comments
from BT and other people that only when the switchover to digital
occurs in 2025 (unless delayed) will it be possible to stop number
spoofing.

It is intentionally allowed now because it was originally intended
for trustworthy organisations to hide the number they are calling
from or replace it with a generic switchboard number.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:27:44 +1100, John Rumm
<see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 06:19, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>
>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>> boxes ?
>>>
>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>
>> isn't progress pathetic ? ..... only about saving money for big
>> companies....so we have to rejig all our phones......
>
> Look at the bright side. Better call quality - especially on long lines.
> Access to new capabilities like being able to access your line when out
> of the house, and on your mobile.

> Lower cost international calling.

In fact free on some of our $15/month mobile plans.

> Fewer losses of service because some scrote has pinched the copper
> cutting off a whole village for a week at a cost of 100sK to fix for a
> couple of hundred quids worth of scrap copper.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 03:13:06 +1100, Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
>> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>>> boxes ?
>>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>
>>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>> Nope.
>>
>>> only about saving money for big companies....
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
>> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>
> But that doesn't work without mains power, whereas POTS does!

When you don't have mains power, you use your mobile,, stupid.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 03:38:25 +1100, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> On 26 Feb 2023 at 08:26:46 GMT, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>
>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>>>> ?
>>>
>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>
>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>
> So, with FTTP, your fibre-pair goes from your house ... to where?

And unpowered splitter/joiner.

> Remember that even in 2008, when I retired, the kit we'd been working
> with
> could, in principle, push 96 channels @ 10Gbps down a fibre-pair.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 03:58:30 +1100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 14:27, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 26/02/2023 06:19, jim.gm4dhj wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>>> boxes ?
>>>>
>>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>
>>> isn't progress pathetic ? ..... only about saving money for big
>>> companies....so we have to rejig all our phones......
>> Look at the bright side. Better call quality - especially on long
>> lines. Access to new capabilities like being able to access your line
>> when out of the house, and on your mobile. Lower cost international
>> calling. Fewer losses of service because some scrote has pinched the
>> copper cutting off a whole village for a week at a cost of 100sK to fix
>> for a couple of hundred quids worth of scrap copper.
>>
> No more spoofed numbers on Caller-id

Fraid not. voip is FAR easier to do spoof numbers on Caller ID.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 04:32:57 +1100, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 17:16, Tim+ wrote:
>> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2023 14:27, John Rumm wrote:
>>
>>>> Look at the bright side. Better call quality - especially on long
>>>> lines.
>>>> Access to new capabilities like being able to access your line when
>>>> out
>>>> of the house, and on your mobile. Lower cost international calling.
>>>> Fewer losses of service because some scrote has pinched the copper
>>>> cutting off a whole village for a week at a cost of 100sK to fix for a
>>>> couple of hundred quids worth of scrap copper.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No more spoofed numbers on Caller-id
>>>
>> Why not?

> Not sure what the technical details are

That's obvious.

> but I have heard comments
> from BT and other people that only when the switchover to digital
> occurs in 2025 (unless delayed) will it be possible to stop number
> spoofing.

That's bullshit. voip was in fact the reason it became so easy to do.

> It is intentionally allowed now because it was originally intended
> for trustworthy organisations to hide the number they are calling
> from or replace it with a generic switchboard number.

And that will still be required, stupid.

On 26/02/2023 16:13, Roger Mills wrote:
> On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
>> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>>> boxes ?
>>>>  As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>
>>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> only about saving money for big companies....
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>>
>> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>>
>> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
>> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>
> But that doesn't work without mains power, whereas POTS does!

It also doesn't work when your phone points are fed from your master
socket at the front of the house and you new Virgin router is at the
back, with an inaccessible underfloor section between them.

On 26/02/2023 16:38, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2023 at 08:26:46 GMT, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>
>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>>>> ?
>>>
>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>
>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>
> So, with FTTP, your fibre-pair goes from your house ... to where?
>
> Remember that even in 2008, when I retired, the kit we'd been working with
> could, in principle, push 96 channels @ 10Gbps down a fibre-pair.

Over what distance without repeaters OOI?

From what I understand of the current FTTP solutions many seem to be
structured with an Optical Line Terminal (OLT) based at a comms hub, it
will feed a multi gigabit fibre out to a passive splitter. That will in
turn feed typically 32 properties where it terminates in an Optical
Network Terminal. Total bandwidth will usually be at least ~2.5Gbps
downstream and half that upstream.

Send and receive data sharing the same (mono mode) fibre with frequency
division multiplexing (or WDM in fibre speak!)

Data to subscribers being effectively broadcast to all of them (each
stream being addressed for one ONT, and protected by encryption). The
return data form each subscriber then being interleaved with that from
others using TDM and sent back to the OLT

The design allows for quite long line lengths in total. Typically quoted
at at least 20km, but you can push a bit further with forward error
correction.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 26 Feb 2023 at 19:18:50 GMT, "John Rumm" <see.my.signature@nowhere.null>
wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 16:38, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 26 Feb 2023 at 08:26:46 GMT, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>
>>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>>
>> So, with FTTP, your fibre-pair goes from your house ... to where?
>>
>> Remember that even in 2008, when I retired, the kit we'd been working with
>> could, in principle, push 96 channels @ 10Gbps down a fibre-pair.
>
> Over what distance without repeaters OOI?

Probably about 60km using single mode fibre, as I recall. But we were leasing
dark fibre for building a pan-European network, so these typically went
captital-city-centre to capital-city-centre, from the likes of COLT, Deutsche
Telekom, etc. There were PoPs in London, Paris, and similar. The repeater
issue was handled IIRC by the fibre provider, so what we saw was e.g. a fibre
pair going from our PoP in London to our Pop in Paris. Each end terminated in
Alcatel kit and then the IP circuits were provisioned on top of the optical
layer and terminated in large routers.

The exception to the capital-city business was CERN, where we had a PoP,
because CERN needed many 10Gbps circuits to various universities around Europe
where LHC data was being processed. These were provisioned on the same fibres,
so such a circuit might go Geneva-Paris, enter the Alcatel kit, then be
optically patched onto the London fibre - thus not hitting the IP router in
Paris at all. Separation of circuits on the fibre was done by using different
light frequencies.

Still, that was 15 years ago. Dunno what they do now.

--
"What causes poverty?" Wrong question. Poverty is our primordial state. The real question is, "What causes wealth?"

Hint: it ain't Socialism.

On 26 Feb 2023 19:46:10 GMT
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> "What causes poverty?" Wrong question. Poverty is our primordial
> state.
> The real question is, "What causes wealth?"

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances
which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then —
are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often
condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people."

R A Heinlein

--
Joe

On 26/02/2023 19:46, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2023 at 19:18:50 GMT, "John Rumm" <see.my.signature@nowhere.null>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/02/2023 16:38, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> On 26 Feb 2023 at 08:26:46 GMT, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>
>>>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>>>
>>> So, with FTTP, your fibre-pair goes from your house ... to where?
>>>
>>> Remember that even in 2008, when I retired, the kit we'd been working with
>>> could, in principle, push 96 channels @ 10Gbps down a fibre-pair.
>>
>> Over what distance without repeaters OOI?
>
> Probably about 60km using single mode fibre, as I recall. But we were leasing
> dark fibre for building a pan-European network, so these typically went
> captital-city-centre to capital-city-centre, from the likes of COLT, Deutsche
> Telekom, etc. There were PoPs in London, Paris, and similar. The repeater
> issue was handled IIRC by the fibre provider, so what we saw was e.g. a fibre
> pair going from our PoP in London to our Pop in Paris. Each end terminated in
> Alcatel kit and then the IP circuits were provisioned on top of the optical
> layer and terminated in large routers.
>
> The exception to the capital-city business was CERN, where we had a PoP,
> because CERN needed many 10Gbps circuits to various universities around Europe
> where LHC data was being processed. These were provisioned on the same fibres,
> so such a circuit might go Geneva-Paris, enter the Alcatel kit, then be
> optically patched onto the London fibre - thus not hitting the IP router in
> Paris at all. Separation of circuits on the fibre was done by using different
> light frequencies.
>
> Still, that was 15 years ago. Dunno what they do now.
>

The LHC I once saw misprinted in a news website as a Large Hardon
Collider instead of Large Hadron Collider!

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 05:38:37 +1100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 16:13, Roger Mills wrote:
>> On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
>>> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>>>> boxes ?
>>>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>>
>>>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> only about saving money for big companies....
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>>>
>>> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>>>
>>> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
>>> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>> But that doesn't work without mains power, whereas POTS does!
>
> It also doesn't work when your phone points are fed from your master
> socket at the front of the house and you new Virgin router is at the
> back, with an inaccessible underfloor section between them.

So move the router to the front, stupid.

On 26/02/2023 16:38, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 26 Feb 2023 at 08:26:46 GMT, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>
>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>>>> ?
>>>
>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>
>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>
> So, with FTTP, your fibre-pair goes from your house ... to where?

To a regional concentrator up to 25km away.
Everything else up to there is passive splitters/combiners. No power needed

>
> Remember that even in 2008, when I retired, the kit we'd been working with
> could, in principle, push 96 channels @ 10Gbps down a fibre-pair.
>
I think they go higher than that now

--
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain

On 26/02/2023 16:59, charles wrote:
> In article <k61g81F38gmU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> On 26 Feb 2023 at 08:26:46 GMT, "Bob Eager" <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:24:18 +0000, SteveW wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>
>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside boxes
>>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>
>>> Except that FTTP doesn't use roadside boxes.
>
>> So, with FTTP, your fibre-pair goes from your house ... to where?
>
> In my case to a pole mounted splitter - feeding 2 other houses and then
> underground. It might simply go to the local FTTC cabinet.
>
Not normally. They can use the green cabs as passive distribution points
but they need no power

Conceptually your fibre runs to a regional hub, which is powered. But
the local splitting is all passive

--
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain

On 26/02/2023 18:38, SteveW wrote:
> On 26/02/2023 16:13, Roger Mills wrote:
>> On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
>>> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>>>> boxes ?
>>>>>  As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>>
>>>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> only about saving money for big companies....
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>>>
>>> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>>>
>>> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
>>> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>>
>> But that doesn't work without mains power, whereas POTS does!
>
> It also doesn't work when your phone points are fed from your master
> socket at the front of the house and you new Virgin router is at the
> back, with an inaccessible underfloor section between them.
my problem

On 26/02/2023 21:07, chop wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 05:38:37 +1100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/02/2023 16:13, Roger Mills wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
>>>> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>>>>> boxes ?
>>>>>>  As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>>>
>>>>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> only about saving money for big companies....
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>>>>
>>>> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>>>>
>>>> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
>>>> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>>>  But that doesn't work without mains power, whereas POTS does!
>>
>> It also doesn't work when your phone points are fed from your master
>> socket at the front of the house and you new Virgin router is at the
>> back, with an inaccessible underfloor section between them.
>
> So move the router to the front, stupid.
no

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 17:39:51 +1100, jim.gm4dhj <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> On 26/02/2023 21:07, chop wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 05:38:37 +1100, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/02/2023 16:13, Roger Mills wrote:
>>>> On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
>>>>> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various roadside
>>>>>>>> boxes ?
>>>>>>> As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>>> only about saving money for big companies....
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>>>>>
>>>>> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
>>>>> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>>>> But that doesn't work without mains power, whereas POTS does!
>>>
>>> It also doesn't work when your phone points are fed from your master
>>> socket at the front of the house and you new Virgin router is at the
>>> back, with an inaccessible underfloor section between them.
>> So move the router to the front, stupid.
> no

So do without a landline phone, stupid.

On 27/02/2023 07:23, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 17:39:51 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On 26/02/2023 21:07, chop wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 05:38:37 +1100, SteveW
>>> <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/02/2023 16:13, Roger Mills wrote:
>>>>> On 26/02/2023 07:17, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 17:19:13 +1100, jim.gm4dhj
>>>>>> <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/02/2023 00:24, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 22:40, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 25/02/2023 18:11, SteveW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I hope that it will support the phone for some time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How long is the battery backup for the Virgin's various
>>>>>>>>> roadside boxes ?
>>>>>>>>  As BT Openreach is going to FTTP, the same will apply there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> isn't progress pathetic ? .....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> only about saving money for big companies....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so we have to rejig all our phones......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just plug into the router instead of the phone line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even you should be able to manage that, if someone
>>>>>> lends you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>>>>>  But that doesn't work without mains power, whereas POTS does!
>>>>
>>>> It also doesn't work when your phone points are fed from your master
>>>> socket at the front of the house and you new Virgin router is at the
>>>> back, with an inaccessible underfloor section between them.
>>>  So move the router to the front, stupid.
>> no
>
> So do without a landline phone, stupid.
good idea ron