Somebody was kind enough recently to post a link to a website about use of
POTS. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it so would appreciate it if
somebody would put it up again.

My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
about 'phone service.

--
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On 15/07/2023 11:53, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> Somebody was kind enough recently to post a link to a website about use
> of POTS. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it so would appreciate it if
> somebody would put it up again.
>
> My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
> about 'phone service.
>

Do you really mean about POTS or is it more about life after POTS? If
the latter rather a lot have been posted.

There's

https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Telephones,_analogue_to_digital_conversion

And I posted these by way of more general background

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/future-of-landline-calls

https://www.bt.com/help/landline/digital-voice-migration

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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 15/07/2023 in message
<6db3bdeb-f406-8ab9-a5cd-0c71f4bddf21@outlook.com> Robin wrote:

>On 15/07/2023 11:53, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>>Somebody was kind enough recently to post a link to a website about use
>>of POTS. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it so would appreciate it if
>>somebody would put it up again.
>>
>>My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
>>about 'phone service.
>>
>
>Do you really mean about POTS or is it more about life after POTS? If the
>latter rather a lot have been posted.
>
>
>There's
>
>https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Telephones,_analogue_to_digital_conversion
>
>And I posted these by way of more general background
>
>https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/future-of-landline-calls
>
>https://www.bt.com/help/landline/digital-voice-migration

If you wrote the wiki (or that part of it) then wow, and thank you very
much :-)

It's Giganet who have laid the fibre to the village and they don't provide
any form of 'phone service.

In these circumstances if I want a landline is that likely to be available
via the Giganet fibre but with a different (landline) provider or would I
need to keep my current Plusnet FTTC to get a 'phone service? i.e. will
third party 'phone suppliers be able to provide a service over somebody
else's fibre?

Thanks again!

--
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All things being equal, fat people use more soap

On 15/07/2023 13:04, Jeff Gaines wrote:

>
> If you wrote the wiki (or that part of it) then wow, and thank you very
> much :-)

Not me 'guv! Main author was John Rumm with contributions from others.

> It's Giganet who have laid the fibre to the village and they don't
> provide any form of 'phone service.
>
> In these circumstances if I want a landline is that likely to be
> available via the Giganet fibre but with a different (landline) provider
> or would I need to keep my current Plusnet FTTC to get a 'phone service?
> i.e. will third party 'phone suppliers be able to provide a service over
> somebody else's fibre?
>

Forget "landline". If you mean you want a landline number the
mainstream option would be a separate VOIP provider. See what the Wiki
says under "So what options do I have?" and also e.g.

https://www.giganet.uk/faq/does-giganet-offer-home-phone-packages/

--
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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 15 Jul 2023 12:04:27 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

>
>It's Giganet who have laid the fibre to the village and they don't provide
>any form of 'phone service.
>
>In these circumstances if I want a landline is that likely to be available
>via the Giganet fibre but with a different (landline) provider or would I
>need to keep my current Plusnet FTTC to get a 'phone service? i.e. will
>third party 'phone suppliers be able to provide a service over somebody
>else's fibre?
>

You can use anybody's VOIP over anybody's fibre. Sooner or later you
will be losing the FTTC POTS.

On 15/07/2023 in message
<756226e3-a2d2-17eb-934b-dde6eaa2d5a9@outlook.com> Robin wrote:

>On 15/07/2023 13:04, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>>
>>If you wrote the wiki (or that part of it) then wow, and thank you very
>>much :-)
>
>Not me 'guv! Main author was John Rumm with contributions from others.

Then many thanks to John Rumm and those others :-)

>>It's Giganet who have laid the fibre to the village and they don't
>>provide any form of 'phone service.
>>
>>In these circumstances if I want a landline is that likely to be
>>available via the Giganet fibre but with a different (landline) provider
>>or would I need to keep my current Plusnet FTTC to get a 'phone service?
>>i.e. will third party 'phone suppliers be able to provide a service over
>>somebody else's fibre?
>>
>
>Forget "landline". If you mean you want a landline number the mainstream
>option would be a separate VOIP provider. See what the Wiki says under
>"So what options do I have?" and also e.g.
>
>https://www.giganet.uk/faq/does-giganet-offer-home-phone-packages/

OK, not landline - perhaps "wired"? Looks like I may be swapping my
existing package with one supplier with 2 or more packages.

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As a matter of interest, the last time I tried voip back when it first was
available, and using a dialler of the type you hold against the microphone,
those were inherently poor at getting the dialled in numbers right, whereas
copper always worked fine. Has this problem been sorted out in recent years?
Why do I do it this way. simple the land line phone address book is not a
spoken one, so cannot be used by a blind person, but a dialer with voice
control can.
Brian

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"Robin" <rbw@outlook.com> wrote in message
news:6db3bdeb-f406-8ab9-a5cd-0c71f4bddf21@outlook.com...
> On 15/07/2023 11:53, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>> Somebody was kind enough recently to post a link to a website about use
>> of POTS. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it so would appreciate it if
>> somebody would put it up again.
>>
>> My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
>> about 'phone service.
>>
>
> Do you really mean about POTS or is it more about life after POTS? If the
> latter rather a lot have been posted.
>
>
> There's
>
> https://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Telephones,_analogue_to_digital_conversion
>
> And I posted these by way of more general background
>
> https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/future-of-landline-calls
>
> https://www.bt.com/help/landline/digital-voice-migration
>
>
>
> --
> Robin
> reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
>

On 16/07/2023 09:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 in message
> <756226e3-a2d2-17eb-934b-dde6eaa2d5a9@outlook.com> Robin wrote:
>
>> On 15/07/2023 13:04, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you wrote the wiki (or that part of it) then wow, and thank you
>>> very much :-)
>>
>> Not me 'guv! Main author was John Rumm with contributions from others.
>
> Then many thanks to John Rumm and those others :-)
>
>
>>> It's Giganet who have laid the fibre to the village and they don't
>>> provide any form of 'phone service.
>>>
>>> In these circumstances if I want a landline is that likely to be
>>> available via the Giganet fibre but with a different (landline)
>>> provider or would I need to keep my current Plusnet FTTC to get a
>>> 'phone service? i.e. will third party 'phone suppliers be able to
>>> provide a service over somebody else's fibre?
>>>
>>
>> Forget "landline".  If you mean you want a landline number the
>> mainstream option would be a separate VOIP provider.  See what the
>> Wiki says under "So what options do I have?" and also e.g.
>>
>> https://www.giganet.uk/faq/does-giganet-offer-home-phone-packages/
>
> OK, not landline - perhaps "wired"? Looks like I may be swapping my
> existing package with one supplier with 2 or more packages.
>

Depends where you want the wire to go!
Sadly the router giganet offers does not have a VOIP port so you will
need some hardware. Since giganet use CGNAT you may also need to order a
Static IP address as CGNAT can break VOIP.

https://www.draytek.co.uk/information/blog/what-is-cgnat

then you need a package. A&A seem the simplest. They also have a VPN
service to by-pass the CGNAT at £2/month.....

https://www.aa.net.uk/etc/news/l2tp-service-changes/

Sorry if this is complex...

Dave

On 15/07/2023 11:53, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
> about 'phone service.

Do you really need a land line service?

Virgin updated my POTS service to their VOIP in May. Sadly they never
sent me the adapter needed and decided that *I* had decided to cancel
the landline service. I didn't but they're just inept! Rather than have
them muck about recovering the number and providing the right equipment
I left the phone service cancelled which saves £25 a month.

I updated my mobile plan to infinite minutes and make most of my calls
at home via Wifi calling as mobile reception can be unreliable in parts
of the house but Wifi calling just works.

After spending more on a mobile plan I'm still £21.50 a month better off
and I never get calls from Microsoft Technical Support or Bank Security :-)

On 16/07/2023 10:48, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 11:53, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
>> about 'phone service.
>
> Do you really need a land line service?
>
> Virgin updated my POTS service to their VOIP in May. Sadly they never
> sent me the adapter needed and decided that *I* had decided to cancel
> the landline service. I didn't but they're just inept! Rather than have
> them muck about recovering the number and providing the right equipment
> I left the phone service cancelled which saves £25 a month.
>
> I updated my mobile plan to infinite minutes and make most of my calls
> at home via Wifi calling as mobile reception can be unreliable in parts
> of the house but Wifi calling just works.
>
> After spending more on a mobile plan I'm still £21.50 a month better off
> and I never get calls from Microsoft Technical Support or Bank Security :-)

Not got round to you get then! What about the Parcel texts etc.

Dave

On 16/07/2023 in message <u90bth$ne4p$2@dont-email.me> David Wade wrote:

>>OK, not landline - perhaps "wired"? Looks like I may be swapping my
>>existing package with one supplier with 2 or more packages.
>>
>
>Depends where you want the wire to go!
>Sadly the router giganet offers does not have a VOIP port so you will need
>some hardware. Since giganet use CGNAT you may also need to order a Static
>IP address as CGNAT can break VOIP.
>
>https://www.draytek.co.uk/information/blog/what-is-cgnat
>
>then you need a package. A&A seem the simplest. They also have a VPN
>service to by-pass the CGNAT at £2/month.....
>
>https://www.aa.net.uk/etc/news/l2tp-service-changes/
>
>Sorry if this is complex...

I just to to think it through :-)

I was five before we had a 'phone so my experience is no-phone and
wired-phone. I do have a mobile and it's got a good package on it so
perhaps as "mm0fmf" says down thread perhaps just use the mobile.

It does WiFi calling because the service is a bit wobbly here and I can
also use it as a tethered hot spot (terminology may be completely wrong)
so on the 2 or 3 occasions my broadband has been down I can use it for
Internet access.

Will find ice pack for brain!!!

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Though no-one can go back and make a new start, everyone can start from
now and make a new ending.

On 16/07/2023 in message <u90edf$o27r$1@dont-email.me> mm0fmf wrote:

>On 15/07/2023 11:53, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
>>about 'phone service.
>
>Do you really need a land line service?
>
>Virgin updated my POTS service to their VOIP in May. Sadly they never sent
>me the adapter needed and decided that I had decided to cancel the
>landline service. I didn't but they're just inept! Rather than have them
>muck about recovering the number and providing the right equipment I left
>the phone service cancelled which saves £25 a month.
>
>I updated my mobile plan to infinite minutes and make most of my calls at
>home via Wifi calling as mobile reception can be unreliable in parts of
>the house but Wifi calling just works.
>
>After spending more on a mobile plan I'm still £21.50 a month better off
>and I never get calls from Microsoft Technical Support or Bank Security :-)

Many thanks :-)

Good advice and may well be the way for me to go.

--
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I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day.
Tomorrow, isn't looking good either.

On 16/07/2023 12:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 in message <u90bth$ne4p$2@dont-email.me> David Wade wrote:
>
>>> OK, not landline - perhaps "wired"? Looks like I may be swapping my
>>> existing package with one supplier with 2 or more packages.
>>>
>>
>> Depends where you want the wire to go!
>> Sadly the router giganet offers does not have a VOIP port so you will
>> need some hardware. Since giganet use CGNAT you may also need to order
>> a Static IP address as CGNAT can break VOIP.
>>
>> https://www.draytek.co.uk/information/blog/what-is-cgnat
>>
>> then you need a package. A&A seem the simplest. They also have a VPN
>> service to by-pass the CGNAT at £2/month.....
>>
>> https://www.aa.net.uk/etc/news/l2tp-service-changes/
>>
>> Sorry if this is complex...
>
> I just to to think it through :-)
>
> I was five before we had a 'phone so my experience is no-phone and
> wired-phone. I do have a mobile and it's got a good package on it so
> perhaps as "mm0fmf" says down thread perhaps just use the mobile.
>
> It does WiFi calling because the service is a bit wobbly here and I can
> also use it as a tethered hot spot (terminology may be completely wrong)
> so on the 2 or 3 occasions my broadband has been down I can use it for
> Internet access.
>
> Will find ice pack for brain!!!
>

I was used to always having a landline. At home from when I was tiny to
last May in my 3rd own home. I'd thought about dumping it for sometime
as Virgin's "landline" phone isn't cheap, either the rental or some call
costs. The issue was I'd always had one and it didn't feel right to only
have a mobile phone. I'd thought about going to VOIP with someone like
Vonage if I dumped Virgin.

The change to 2FA (two factor authentication) on bank accounts etc.
meant they all had my mobile number to send me texts to confirm login
attempts so I had no real problems dumping the landline other than the
fact I felt a little naked in only have a mobile phone. However, not
only is there my mobile phone but my wife's as well. The other issue is
I had 3 DECT handsets before, 2 downstairs at either end of the house
and 1 in the bedroom. I refuse to carry my phone about the house all day
so if someone rings and I don't hear it then I don't hear and end up
ringing back. But as there are infinite minutes it's not really an issue.

The biggest problem then is accepting you don't really need a landline
if you have a mobile. And as I said in the other thread, if you have
Wifi calling then even less than stellar mobile coverage is not a
problem. Once I'd accepted it was no longer essential, only having a
mobile just became the new normal. My son (31) has never had a fixed
line phone at his flats and now home. Likewise, most of my under 35 work
colleagues just have a mobile. Landline desire does tend to be an
indicator that you're getting on a bit ;-)

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 13:39:15 +0100
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

> Landline desire does
> tend to be an indicator that you're getting on a bit ;-)
>
>
>
>

Or you don't see the need for (currently) the extra expense of FTTP. I
was fine with 8Mb/s ADSL, and only moved to FTTC because it only cost
another £5 a month, whereas FTTP was about £15 a month extra.

No children normally in the house, so not streaming multiple films
simultaneously.

--
Joe

In article <u90odl$p44v$1@dont-email.me>,
mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 12:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> > On 16/07/2023 in message <u90bth$ne4p$2@dont-email.me> David Wade wrote:
> >
> >>> OK, not landline - perhaps "wired"? Looks like I may be swapping my
> >>> existing package with one supplier with 2 or more packages.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Depends where you want the wire to go!
> >> Sadly the router giganet offers does not have a VOIP port so you will
> >> need some hardware. Since giganet use CGNAT you may also need to order
> >> a Static IP address as CGNAT can break VOIP.
> >>
> >> https://www.draytek.co.uk/information/blog/what-is-cgnat
> >>
> >> then you need a package. A&A seem the simplest. They also have a VPN
> >> service to by-pass the CGNAT at £2/month.....
> >>
> >> https://www.aa.net.uk/etc/news/l2tp-service-changes/
> >>
> >> Sorry if this is complex...
> >
> > I just to to think it through :-)
> >
> > I was five before we had a 'phone so my experience is no-phone and
> > wired-phone. I do have a mobile and it's got a good package on it so
> > perhaps as "mm0fmf" says down thread perhaps just use the mobile.
> >
> > It does WiFi calling because the service is a bit wobbly here and I can
> > also use it as a tethered hot spot (terminology may be completely
> > wrong) so on the 2 or 3 occasions my broadband has been down I can use
> > it for Internet access.
> >
> > Will find ice pack for brain!!!
> >

> I was used to always having a landline. At home from when I was tiny to
> last May in my 3rd own home. I'd thought about dumping it for sometime
> as Virgin's "landline" phone isn't cheap, either the rental or some call
> costs. The issue was I'd always had one and it didn't feel right to only
> have a mobile phone. I'd thought about going to VOIP with someone like
> Vonage if I dumped Virgin.

> The change to 2FA (two factor authentication) on bank accounts etc.
> meant they all had my mobile number to send me texts to confirm login
> attempts so I had no real problems dumping the landline other than the
> fact I felt a little naked in only have a mobile phone. However, not
> only is there my mobile phone but my wife's as well. The other issue is
> I had 3 DECT handsets before, 2 downstairs at either end of the house
> and 1 in the bedroom. I refuse to carry my phone about the house all day
> so if someone rings and I don't hear it then I don't hear and end up
> ringing back. But as there are infinite minutes it's not really an issue.

> The biggest problem then is accepting you don't really need a landline
> if you have a mobile. And as I said in the other thread, if you have
> Wifi calling then even less than stellar mobile coverage is not a
> problem. Once I'd accepted it was no longer essential, only having a
> mobile just became the new normal. My son (31) has never had a fixed
> line phone at his flats and now home. Likewise, most of my under 35 work
> colleagues just have a mobile. Landline desire does tend to be an
> indicator that you're getting on a bit ;-)

Or you have potential callers who are "getting on a bit". My daughter's
land line (mentioned earlier) is so that she can have a church business
answering machine.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 15/07/2023 11:53 am, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> Somebody was kind enough recently to post a link to a website about use
> of POTS. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it so would appreciate it if
> somebody would put it up again.
>
> My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
> about 'phone service.
>

I've got a telegraph pole outside my house with nine neighbour's
connected to it.

Does this change mean it will be removed?

How does the fibre get to my house?

Another Dave
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On 16/07/2023 10:48, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 11:53, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
>> about 'phone service.
>
> Do you really need a land line service?
>
> Virgin updated my POTS service to their VOIP in May. Sadly they never
> sent me the adapter needed and decided that *I* had decided to cancel
> the landline service. I didn't but they're just inept! Rather than have
> them muck about recovering the number and providing the right equipment
> I left the phone service cancelled which saves £25 a month.
>
> I updated my mobile plan to infinite minutes and make most of my calls
> at home via Wifi calling as mobile reception can be unreliable in parts
> of the house but Wifi calling just works.
>
> After spending more on a mobile plan I'm still £21.50 a month better off
> and I never get calls from Microsoft Technical Support or Bank Security :-)

There are several threads on this topic at the moment.

I have a Samsung S5 (less than £10 on ebay) supplying calls, texts and
70GByte via 4G for £9.95 per month.

So, bye-bye landline etc - and the data is faster than FTTC.

Nice to be able to watch HD Video without burps.

PA

In message <u90tls$pkf9$1@dont-email.me>, Another Dave
<dmarsden@nospam.com> writes
>I've got a telegraph pole outside my house with nine neighbour's
>connected to it.
>
>Does this change mean it will be removed?
>
>How does the fibre get to my house?
>

Probably by the same route.

Contractors for OpenReach installed some extra hardware a couple of
years back on the pole outside my house, and a couple of the neighbours
have already gone FTTP(*) with the fibres running from/between poles.

* meanwhile OR tell me that it will be available here some time in the
next 2.5 years.

Adrian
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On 16/07/2023 15:09, Another Dave wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 11:53 am, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>> Somebody was kind enough recently to post a link to a website about
>> use of POTS. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it so would appreciate it
>> if somebody would put it up again.
>>
>> My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
>> about 'phone service.
>>
>
> I've got a telegraph pole outside my house with nine neighbour's
> connected to it.
>
> Does this change mean it will be removed?
>
> How does the fibre get to my house?
>
Off that pole

> Another Dave

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In article <u90tls$pkf9$1@dont-email.me>,
Another Dave <dmarsden@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 15/07/2023 11:53 am, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> >
> > Somebody was kind enough recently to post a link to a website about use
> > of POTS. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it so would appreciate it if
> > somebody would put it up again.
> >
> > My street now has fibre, not sure id it's live yet, so I need to think
> > about 'phone service.
> >

> I've got a telegraph pole outside my house with nine neighbour's
> connected to it.

> Does this change mean it will be removed?

> How does the fibre get to my house?

My fibre comes from the telephone pole across the road - As does my POTS

> Another Dave

--
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On 16/07/2023 3:17 pm, Adrian wrote:
> In message <u90tls$pkf9$1@dont-email.me>, Another Dave
> <dmarsden@nospam.com> writes
>> I've got a telegraph pole outside my house with nine neighbour's
>> connected to it.
>>
>> Does this change mean it will be removed?
>>
>> How does the fibre get to my house?
>>
>
> Probably by the same route.

Bugger.

--
Change nospam to techie

On 16/07/2023 17:28, Another Dave wrote:
> On 16/07/2023 3:17 pm, Adrian wrote:
>> In message <u90tls$pkf9$1@dont-email.me>, Another Dave
>> <dmarsden@nospam.com> writes
>>> I've got a telegraph pole outside my house with nine neighbour's
>>> connected to it.
>>>
>>> Does this change mean it will be removed?
>>>
>>> How does the fibre get to my house?
>>>
>>
>> Probably by the same route.
>
> Bugger.
>
>
Its worse. It will come from the same pole, but they will only feed it
into the building in the ground floor. My phone line used to enter on
the first floor, so I had to run a cable from the fibre back to the
router and hubs on the first floor...

Dave

On 16/07/2023 13:45, charles wrote:
> church business
> answering machine.

That's sounds a reasonable case for a landline. Or at least another line.

It's easiest when your ISP provides the phone and you just plug
something into the socket on the router, a la Virgin.

You may want to consider the following...

You can get an unlimited voice/texts SIM from 1p Mobile that lasts a
year and costs £36. You get 250MB data / month. Uses EE ISTR. Stick it
in a old phone (that does 4G) and put that in her study/office etc. and
Use it and it's voicemail for the church business.

On 16/07/2023 14:45, charles wrote:
> In article <u90odl$p44v$1@dont-email.me>,
> mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 16/07/2023 12:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>> On 16/07/2023 in message <u90bth$ne4p$2@dont-email.me> David Wade wrote:
>>>
>>>>> OK, not landline - perhaps "wired"? Looks like I may be swapping my
>>>>> existing package with one supplier with 2 or more packages.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Depends where you want the wire to go!
>>>> Sadly the router giganet offers does not have a VOIP port so you will
>>>> need some hardware. Since giganet use CGNAT you may also need to order
>>>> a Static IP address as CGNAT can break VOIP.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.draytek.co.uk/information/blog/what-is-cgnat
>>>>
>>>> then you need a package. A&A seem the simplest. They also have a VPN
>>>> service to by-pass the CGNAT at £2/month.....
>>>>
>>>> https://www.aa.net.uk/etc/news/l2tp-service-changes/
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if this is complex...
>>>
>>> I just to to think it through :-)
>>>
>>> I was five before we had a 'phone so my experience is no-phone and
>>> wired-phone. I do have a mobile and it's got a good package on it so
>>> perhaps as "mm0fmf" says down thread perhaps just use the mobile.
>>>
>>> It does WiFi calling because the service is a bit wobbly here and I can
>>> also use it as a tethered hot spot (terminology may be completely
>>> wrong) so on the 2 or 3 occasions my broadband has been down I can use
>>> it for Internet access.
>>>
>>> Will find ice pack for brain!!!
>>>
>
>> I was used to always having a landline. At home from when I was tiny to
>> last May in my 3rd own home. I'd thought about dumping it for sometime
>> as Virgin's "landline" phone isn't cheap, either the rental or some call
>> costs. The issue was I'd always had one and it didn't feel right to only
>> have a mobile phone. I'd thought about going to VOIP with someone like
>> Vonage if I dumped Virgin.
>
>> The change to 2FA (two factor authentication) on bank accounts etc.
>> meant they all had my mobile number to send me texts to confirm login
>> attempts so I had no real problems dumping the landline other than the
>> fact I felt a little naked in only have a mobile phone. However, not
>> only is there my mobile phone but my wife's as well. The other issue is
>> I had 3 DECT handsets before, 2 downstairs at either end of the house
>> and 1 in the bedroom. I refuse to carry my phone about the house all day
>> so if someone rings and I don't hear it then I don't hear and end up
>> ringing back. But as there are infinite minutes it's not really an issue.
>
>> The biggest problem then is accepting you don't really need a landline
>> if you have a mobile. And as I said in the other thread, if you have
>> Wifi calling then even less than stellar mobile coverage is not a
>> problem. Once I'd accepted it was no longer essential, only having a
>> mobile just became the new normal. My son (31) has never had a fixed
>> line phone at his flats and now home. Likewise, most of my under 35 work
>> colleagues just have a mobile. Landline desire does tend to be an
>> indicator that you're getting on a bit ;-)
>
> Or you have potential callers who are "getting on a bit". My daughter's
> land line (mentioned earlier) is so that she can have a church business
> answering machine.
>

And provided that the number being called is not ex-directory,
you can find the number quite easily. Bit tricky with mobile
numbers (is there, or was there ever a 'directory enquiries'
for mobile numbers ?)

David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
> Its worse. It will come from the same pole, but they will only feed it
> into the building in the ground floor. My phone line used to enter on
> the first floor, so I had to run a cable from the fibre back to the
> router and hubs on the first floor...

I'm not sure if that's a hard and fast rule. They want a termination point
at ground level, so they can diagnose faults without having the householder
being in or needing ladders. But you may be able to convince them to run
the cable from the termination point back up to ingress on another floor.
In particular, if they're fixing a run down from the pole, it's not a big
deal to run another cable up in parallel with the first. Especially if the
internal install is easy - eg power available close to where it comes in.

That may be a time to deploy the fabled tea and choccy biccies...

Theo