On 11/02/2022 1:57 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 8:39 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 10/02/2022 9:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 10/2/22 3:48 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2022 10:01 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>  > On 9/2/22 3:18 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>  >> On 9/02/2022 1:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>  >>> On 9/02/2022 8:53 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>  >>>> On 9/02/2022 8:57 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>  >>>>> On 9/2/22 5:24 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>  >>>>>> On 9/02/2022 1:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/game-changing-4680-battery-goes-into-production/
>>>>
>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>  >>>>>> **Li-Ion batteries, as I have stated many times, is merely a
>>>> short term, interim step for BEVs. Al-Ion batteries will sweep away
>>>> all otehr battery technologies. Some VERY interesting developments
>>>> right here in OZ:
>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>> https://graphenemg.com/energy-storage-solutions/aluminum-ion-battery/
>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>  >>>>> Problem will be if and when that new battery tech comes on
>>>> line what to do with all the old batteries, eventually someone will
>>>> figure out how to recycle but until then old batteries will be as
>>>> big problem than nuclear waste.
>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >>>> **We have to figure out what to do with ALL batteries. Li-Ion,
>>>> NiMH, NiCd, alkaline, etc. All are problematic. As big a problem as
>>>> nuclear waste? Not even remotely close. You are engaged in either
>>>> gross hyperbole or you have zero idea of just how dangerous nuclear
>>>> waste really is. Thing is this: Al-Ion batteries are far less of a
>>>> problem, compared to Li-Ion batteries. A point which will accelerate
>>>> their development.
>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >>>>> IMHO battery electric vehicles are no where near as "green"
>>>> as their promoters would like us to believe.
>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >>>> **Depends. Burning fossil fuels is killing the planet.
>>>> Disposing of batteries is a local problem.
>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>> It doesn't "depend" at all. An enormous amount of resources go
>>>> into building an electric vehicle, the electricity used to charge
>>>> them has an environmental cost associated with it and then EV's have
>>>> a relatively short viable service life and have significant
>>>> environmental impact at end of life.
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>> If you want to save the environment you would have less
>>>> environmental impact driving some old IC car around for 30 years
>>>> instead of buying a new EV every 5-10 years.
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >> **Those comments are applicable TODAY and in Australia. They may
>>>> not be applicable in the near future and certainly not in all
>>>> places. In any case, it really doesn't matter. Australia doesn't
>>>> build cars. Since the companies that do are phasing out IC cars, we
>>>> will have little choice in what we can purchase.
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Yes and no, no one is compelled to buy a new car.
>>>>
>>>> **Indeed. However, when fossil fuels cost (say) $10.00/L, those
>>>> people may think twice. Particularly in light of this estimate:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/may/09/electric-cars-will-be-cheaper-to-produce-than-fossil-fuel-vehicles-by-2027
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  > My car is 20yrs old and done just over 200,000km, last year I
>>>> only did 6000km in it, at that rate it could still be reliable for
>>>> another 10yrs.
>>>>
>>>> **Sure. Same as my Nissan, except it is 21 years old. Nissan knew
>>>> how to build cars back then. However, when fuel costs me $10.00/L, I
>>>> may re-think keeping the old girl.
>>>>
>>>>  > If Covid has done anything good its that fewer people are
>>>> commuting to work so cars on average are doing less klms so no need
>>>> to replace them as often, a well maintained car doing average kms
>>>> can easily last 30yrs.
>>>>
>>>> **Sure.
>>>>
>>>>  > Funny thing is one of the few people I know who drives an EV
>>>> (Hyundai Kona) has only done 6000km in the last 18mths because he
>>>> now works from home, hardly worth the $60k it cost his employer.
>>>>  > I know someone with an 11yr old Prius on its original battery, I
>>>> don't know how long they usually last but at 11yrs its at the end of
>>>> its life.
>>>>  > There will come a time when people will need to replace their
>>>> cars but how far in the future that is is anyone's guess, my guess
>>>> is its at least 10yrs away.
>>>>
>>>> **Here's the thing:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.canstarblue.com.au/vehicles/average-car-price/
>>>>
>>>> And this:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/australia-average-vehicle-age-is-10-1-years/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The average age of Australian cars is 10.1 years.
>>>>
>>>> The average Australian car buyer keeps their car for 6.1 years. You
>>>> and I are outliers.
>>>>
>>>>  > In one way EV's might be a good thing, it will force people to
>>>> put their cars in their garage to charge them instead of filling
>>>> garages with junk then parking cars on the street:-)
>>>>
>>>> **True. And, here's the thing. It's extremely likely that my next
>>>> car (replacing either the Nissan or the Suby) will be BEV or PHEV.
>>>> It is highly unlikely that I would consider buying a non-battery
>>>> equipped vehicle ever again. I doubt that I am alone in this view.
>>>>
>>>> Something like this looks like a good idea:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2022-mitsubishi-eclipse-cross-phev-review/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For me, I would likely need to visit a servo twice a year.
>>>
>>>
>>> The cost of fuel is peanuts compared to the vehicles buy price and
>>> depreciation.
>>
>> **That is true TODAY. In ten years, that may not be the case.
>>
>>> Wife's Golf is getting around 700km from its 50liter tank using it
>>> for generally running around, 50/50 hwy city driving so compared to
>>> other costs petrol isn't a big deal.
>>
>> **Fuel costs have never been a huge part of the expense for average to
>> low kms drivers. Those who do high kms have a different equation to
>> satisfy. Which is why taxis are almost all Camry hybrids.
>>
>>> Had to replace a fog/turn/ side lamp H11 globe today, price varied
>>> from $40-60 depending on brand which IMHO is nuts.
>>
>> **That's VW for you. In truth, it's likely to be the case for all car
>> importers.
>>
>> Alternatively, I purchased this brand of LED for the Stagea:
>>
>> https://www.banggood.com/NovSight-A500-N50-2PCS-70W-Car-LED-Headlights-Bulbs-H1-H3-H4-H7-H11-H13-9005-9006-9007-9012-Fog-Lamps-15000LM-6500K-p-1839965.html?cur_warehouse=CN&ID=518371&rmmds=search
>>
>>
>> Very, VERY nice. Should last a very long time.
>>
>
>
> Maybe. Those look exactly the same as a local company retrofitted to
> their fleet only to have to replace them within months due to high LED
> driver failure rates because they could not dissipate heat quick enough.
> Obviously it's application dependent so YMMV.

**They may LOOK exactly the same, but I can assure you that there are
differences. As I found, to my cost. The first set I purchased had a
fault in one lamp. I ordered another, more expensive set. When they
arrived, I put them on the bench and measured the light output on my
light meter. The more expensive set cost about 30% more, were far better
finished and constructed (copper heat sinking) and delivered around 70%
more light! Well worth spending a few extra Bucks. Which I why I
specified the Novsight brand. They are clearly a superior product.
Critically, the ones to avoid are the ones that DON'T use an external
driver. The ones that employ a built-in driver are problematic, because
the fan has to cool and LED assembly and the driver.