On 11/02/2022 11:31 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 1:57 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 11/02/2022 8:39 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2022 9:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 10/2/22 3:48 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 10/02/2022 10:01 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>  > On 9/2/22 3:18 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>  >> On 9/02/2022 1:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>  >>> On 9/02/2022 8:53 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>  >>>> On 9/02/2022 8:57 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>  >>>>> On 9/2/22 5:24 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>  >>>>>> On 9/02/2022 1:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/game-changing-4680-battery-goes-into-production/
>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>> **Li-Ion batteries, as I have stated many times, is merely
>>>>> a short term, interim step for BEVs. Al-Ion batteries will sweep
>>>>> away all otehr battery technologies. Some VERY interesting
>>>>> developments right here in OZ:
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>> https://graphenemg.com/energy-storage-solutions/aluminum-ion-battery/
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>> Problem will be if and when that new battery tech comes on
>>>>> line what to do with all the old batteries, eventually someone will
>>>>> figure out how to recycle but until then old batteries will be as
>>>>> big problem than nuclear waste.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> **We have to figure out what to do with ALL batteries.
>>>>> Li-Ion, NiMH, NiCd, alkaline, etc. All are problematic. As big a
>>>>> problem as nuclear waste? Not even remotely close. You are engaged
>>>>> in either gross hyperbole or you have zero idea of just how
>>>>> dangerous nuclear waste really is. Thing is this: Al-Ion batteries
>>>>> are far less of a problem, compared to Li-Ion batteries. A point
>>>>> which will accelerate their development.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>> IMHO battery electric vehicles are no where near as "green"
>>>>> as their promoters would like us to believe.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> **Depends. Burning fossil fuels is killing the planet.
>>>>> Disposing of batteries is a local problem.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> It doesn't "depend" at all. An enormous amount of resources go
>>>>> into building an electric vehicle, the electricity used to charge
>>>>> them has an environmental cost associated with it and then EV's
>>>>> have a relatively short viable service life and have significant
>>>>> environmental impact at end of life.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> If you want to save the environment you would have less
>>>>> environmental impact driving some old IC car around for 30 years
>>>>> instead of buying a new EV every 5-10 years.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> **Those comments are applicable TODAY and in Australia. They
>>>>> may not be applicable in the near future and certainly not in all
>>>>> places. In any case, it really doesn't matter. Australia doesn't
>>>>> build cars. Since the companies that do are phasing out IC cars, we
>>>>> will have little choice in what we can purchase.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > Yes and no, no one is compelled to buy a new car.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Indeed. However, when fossil fuels cost (say) $10.00/L, those
>>>>> people may think twice. Particularly in light of this estimate:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/may/09/electric-cars-will-be-cheaper-to-produce-than-fossil-fuel-vehicles-by-2027
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  > My car is 20yrs old and done just over 200,000km, last year I
>>>>> only did 6000km in it, at that rate it could still be reliable for
>>>>> another 10yrs.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sure. Same as my Nissan, except it is 21 years old. Nissan knew
>>>>> how to build cars back then. However, when fuel costs me $10.00/L,
>>>>> I may re-think keeping the old girl.
>>>>>
>>>>>  > If Covid has done anything good its that fewer people are
>>>>> commuting to work so cars on average are doing less klms so no need
>>>>> to replace them as often, a well maintained car doing average kms
>>>>> can easily last 30yrs.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>  > Funny thing is one of the few people I know who drives an EV
>>>>> (Hyundai Kona) has only done 6000km in the last 18mths because he
>>>>> now works from home, hardly worth the $60k it cost his employer.
>>>>>  > I know someone with an 11yr old Prius on its original battery, I
>>>>> don't know how long they usually last but at 11yrs its at the end
>>>>> of its life.
>>>>>  > There will come a time when people will need to replace their
>>>>> cars but how far in the future that is is anyone's guess, my guess
>>>>> is its at least 10yrs away.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Here's the thing:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.canstarblue.com.au/vehicles/average-car-price/
>>>>>
>>>>> And this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/australia-average-vehicle-age-is-10-1-years/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The average age of Australian cars is 10.1 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The average Australian car buyer keeps their car for 6.1 years. You
>>>>> and I are outliers.
>>>>>
>>>>>  > In one way EV's might be a good thing, it will force people to
>>>>> put their cars in their garage to charge them instead of filling
>>>>> garages with junk then parking cars on the street:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> **True. And, here's the thing. It's extremely likely that my next
>>>>> car (replacing either the Nissan or the Suby) will be BEV or PHEV.
>>>>> It is highly unlikely that I would consider buying a non-battery
>>>>> equipped vehicle ever again. I doubt that I am alone in this view.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something like this looks like a good idea:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2022-mitsubishi-eclipse-cross-phev-review/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_2&utm_medium=partner
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, I would likely need to visit a servo twice a year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cost of fuel is peanuts compared to the vehicles buy price and
>>>> depreciation.
>>>
>>> **That is true TODAY. In ten years, that may not be the case.
>>>
>>>> Wife's Golf is getting around 700km from its 50liter tank using it
>>>> for generally running around, 50/50 hwy city driving so compared to
>>>> other costs petrol isn't a big deal.
>>>
>>> **Fuel costs have never been a huge part of the expense for average
>>> to low kms drivers. Those who do high kms have a different equation
>>> to satisfy. Which is why taxis are almost all Camry hybrids.
>>>
>>>> Had to replace a fog/turn/ side lamp H11 globe today, price varied
>>>> from $40-60 depending on brand which IMHO is nuts.
>>>
>>> **That's VW for you. In truth, it's likely to be the case for all car
>>> importers.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, I purchased this brand of LED for the Stagea:
>>>
>>> https://www.banggood.com/NovSight-A500-N50-2PCS-70W-Car-LED-Headlights-Bulbs-H1-H3-H4-H7-H11-H13-9005-9006-9007-9012-Fog-Lamps-15000LM-6500K-p-1839965.html?cur_warehouse=CN&ID=518371&rmmds=search
>>>
>>>
>>> Very, VERY nice. Should last a very long time.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe. Those look exactly the same as a local company retrofitted to
>> their fleet only to have to replace them within months due to high LED
>> driver failure rates because they could not dissipate heat quick
>> enough. Obviously it's application dependent so YMMV.
>
> **They may LOOK exactly the same, but I can assure you that there are
> differences.

As I found, to my cost. The first set I purchased had a
> fault in one lamp. I ordered another, more expensive set. When they
> arrived, I put them on the bench and measured the light output on my
> light meter. The more expensive set cost about 30% more, were far better
> finished and constructed (copper heat sinking) and delivered around 70%
> more light! Well worth spending a few extra Bucks. Which I why I
> specified the Novsight brand. They are clearly a superior product.
> Critically, the ones to avoid are the ones that DON'T use an external
> driver. The ones that employ a built-in driver are problematic, because
> the fan has to cool and LED assembly and the driver.

Anything with a fan is problematic out in the field. They just don't
last. As I said, YMMV greatly depending on application.