Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

> On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 12:10:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 10:24:18 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 08:35:59 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine..
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>> was
>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>> >> case.
>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>> stopped
>> >> >> earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> NATO was not interested in paying Ukraine US$160 billion for a
>> >> >> presence there. The EU could only offer $828 million.
>> >> >> Russia offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>> natural
>> >> >> gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>> with
>> >> >> the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Obama/Biden were then involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian
>> >> President
>> >> >> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>> >> >> Yushchenko was 'given Agent Orange ingredient' to poison him by US
>> >> >> operatives. This left him disfigured.
>> >> >> >> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk, suddenly
>> one
>> >> >> >> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special military
>> >> >> >> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and NATO..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is
>> fighting
>> >> to
>> >> >> the last Ukrainian.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> NATO is not involved, Ukraine weaponry is
>> >> US/French/Australian/British
>> >> > All NATO.
>> >> >> supplied, plus captured Russian arms.
>> >> >> Russia is buying American arms left by Biden from the Taliban to
>> use
>> >> >> in Ukraine
>> >> >> >> Oh, how's it going?
>> >> >> >> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals, 530
>> >> tanks,
>> >> >> >> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280 howitzers, 82
>> >> >> salvage
>> >> >> >> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124 helicopters
>> >> and
>> >> >> 50
>> >> >> >> drones," he said.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
>> >> >> >"Those figures are theirs.
>> >> >> >We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for Crimea,
>> >> >> which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy and air
>> >> >> force, inflicted substantial damages to their infrastructure.
>> >> >> >We will attain our political objectives.
>> >> >> >Putin is our Lincoln."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
>> >> >> >> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid, information,
>> >> >> threatens and sanctions Russia.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Actually NATO is not involved, too much of Europe need Russian
>> >> Gas/Oil
>> >> >
>> >> > The NATO leader is only a figurehead.
>> >> > NATO is mostly US leadership with UK as a strong follower.
>> >> > Biden runs NATO.
>> >> > Europe needs Russian fossil fuel, true, and they will get nuked if
>> >> they
>> >> > invade, so they are not as jumpy as US/UK.
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack
>> happened
>> >> >> >> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected "president"..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the modern
>> >> US,
>> >> >> that is no longer new and fresh.
>> >> >> >Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them old
>> >> >> prematurely.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> America now has the same problem the Old USSR had too many
>> bumbling
>> >> >> crooked geriatrics running the show.
>> >> >> When it fell Putin left his beloved Stasi team, then formed from
>> his
>> >> >> KGB mates and steal the profitable industries creating a Putin
>> team
>> >> of
>> >> >> corrupt mega rich oligarch's.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you say so.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-mega-yachts-belonging-to-russian-oligarchs-2022-3>
>> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/ycf7x8hj
>> >> >
>> >> > My information is that the mega yacht owning oligarchs belong to
>> the
>> >> > sellout Yeltsin era that broke Russia, which Putin fixed.
>> >> > The media was jumping up and down about freezing Putin's vast
>> wealth,
>> >> > stashed abroad.
>> >> > Did they find a kopek or cent?
>>
>> >> Yep, and his yacht.
>>
>> > No mention of that in the hostile-to-Putin media.

>> That is a lie with the BBC and our ABC.

> Rubbish.

Fact.

> Had they found something Putin had stashed somewherein the West they
> would repeat it night and day.

Nope, they only said it the one time.

>> >> > When I was in Moscow, staying at the best hotel there, I found they
>> >> were
>> >> > using second hand Mercedes cars renovated in Lithuania.
>> >> > And yes, we could afford to stay there.
>> >> > Unlike in US, where there is no chance of staying in similar
>> luxury.
>> >> > The best Russians are spiritual, not materialistic.
>> >>
>> >> > If they are very rich they evidently do not flaunt their wealth as
>> >> > Americans do.
>>
>> >> Pity about those super yachts, some of which
>> >> are worth the best part of a billion bucks.
>>
>> > Putin and his mates are not crying about them.

>> No point in crying, won't help a bit.

> It does not look like they are asking for help!

No point in doing that.

> Quite the opposite. They are weathering all the sanctions.

Bullshit they are with all the seized megayachts and funds and houses.

> Fact is they do not care about their foreign loot, if any.

Must be why they moved some of them to the Maldives etc.

> Which means they are not that way corrupt,

So those billion dollar mega yachts were
all paid for using the piggy bank, eh ?

> and so unlike those of the earlier Yeltsin era living abroad in luxury

Just like most of Putin's daughters.

> - now these are the guys who took the blows! Ironic!

So has Putin and his earlier daughters.

>> > So they do not care about those yachts.

>> How odd that some of them moved them to the Maldives.

> Not odd at all. Why should anyone let property get seized by hostiles?
> As to whose yacht belong to whom, how it was acquired, that is something
> beyond our scope.

Wrong, as always.

> The property of Yeltsin era oligarchs does not bother Putin.

But his daughters do and he cares about his loot too.

> He has other things to do, like get ruble payment for gas.

> He is the Czar of Russia. Russia is vast. Some piddling yachts may be
> of concern to paltry billionaires, not someone who can use the vast
> resources of Russia.

Putin doesn't.

>> > And why should they, if they did not own them.
>> Corse they do.
>
> In any case, hardly matters to them. They have much more back home,
> like the use of the vast Russian resources.

Putin doesn't and neither do his daughters who
aren't even in russia.

>> >> > Marxism was an aberration, and a curse to them.
>> >> > As we know, Stalinists who were less atheistic
>>
>> >> None of them were that.
>>
>> >> > won over the totally atheistic Trotskyites.
>> >>
>> >> >> >> China is also now flexing muscle, whereas under President Trump
>> >> would
>> >> >> >> not of happened
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I agree. While Trump did arm Ukrainians, I doubt if he would have
>> >> >> urged them on to this state. He would have reasoned with Putin and
>> >> told
>> >> >> him that Ukraine would remain neutral.
>> >> >> >He might even have found a solution with Donbass, like redrawing
>> >> >> borders, giving Crimea water, etc.
>> >> >> >All this misery would not have happened if he had been in power.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>> >> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv