On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 13:54:41 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 12:10:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 10:24:18 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 08:35:59 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
> >> was
> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
> >> >> case.
> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
> >> stopped
> >> >> >> earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> NATO was not interested in paying Ukraine US$160 billion for a
> >> >> >> presence there. The EU could only offer $828 million.
> >> >> >> Russia offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
> >> natural
> >> >> >> gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
> >> with
> >> >> >> the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Obama/Biden were then involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian
> >> >> President
> >> >> >> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
> >> >> >> Yushchenko was 'given Agent Orange ingredient' to poison him by US
> >> >> >> operatives. This left him disfigured.
> >> >> >> >> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk, suddenly
> >> one
> >> >> >> >> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special military
> >> >> >> >> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and NATO.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is
> >> fighting
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> the last Ukrainian.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> NATO is not involved, Ukraine weaponry is
> >> >> US/French/Australian/British
> >> >> > All NATO.
> >> >> >> supplied, plus captured Russian arms.
> >> >> >> Russia is buying American arms left by Biden from the Taliban to
> >> use
> >> >> >> in Ukraine
> >> >> >> >> Oh, how's it going?
> >> >> >> >> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals, 530
> >> >> tanks,
> >> >> >> >> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280 howitzers, 82
> >> >> >> salvage
> >> >> >> >> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124 helicopters
> >> >> and
> >> >> >> 50
> >> >> >> >> drones," he said.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
> >> >> >> >"Those figures are theirs.
> >> >> >> >We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for Crimea,
> >> >> >> which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy and air
> >> >> >> force, inflicted substantial damages to their infrastructure.
> >> >> >> >We will attain our political objectives.
> >> >> >> >Putin is our Lincoln."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
> >> >> >> >> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid, information,
> >> >> >> threatens and sanctions Russia.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Actually NATO is not involved, too much of Europe need Russian
> >> >> Gas/Oil
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The NATO leader is only a figurehead.
> >> >> > NATO is mostly US leadership with UK as a strong follower.
> >> >> > Biden runs NATO.
> >> >> > Europe needs Russian fossil fuel, true, and they will get nuked if
> >> >> they
> >> >> > invade, so they are not as jumpy as US/UK.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack
> >> happened
> >> >> >> >> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected "president".
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the modern
> >> >> US,
> >> >> >> that is no longer new and fresh.
> >> >> >> >Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them old
> >> >> >> prematurely.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> America now has the same problem the Old USSR had too many
> >> bumbling
> >> >> >> crooked geriatrics running the show.
> >> >> >> When it fell Putin left his beloved Stasi team, then formed from
> >> his
> >> >> >> KGB mates and steal the profitable industries creating a Putin
> >> team
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> corrupt mega rich oligarch's.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you say so.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> <https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-mega-yachts-belonging-to-russian-oligarchs-2022-3>
> >> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/ycf7x8hj
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My information is that the mega yacht owning oligarchs belong to
> >> the
> >> >> > sellout Yeltsin era that broke Russia, which Putin fixed.
> >> >> > The media was jumping up and down about freezing Putin's vast
> >> wealth,
> >> >> > stashed abroad.
> >> >> > Did they find a kopek or cent?
> >>
> >> >> Yep, and his yacht.
> >>
> >> > No mention of that in the hostile-to-Putin media.
>
> >> That is a lie with the BBC and our ABC.
>
> > Rubbish.
> Fact.
Heh
>
> > Had they found something Putin had stashed somewherein the West they
> > would repeat it night and day.
> Nope, they only said it the one time.
My point proven.
> >> >> > When I was in Moscow, staying at the best hotel there, I found they
> >> >> were
> >> >> > using second hand Mercedes cars renovated in Lithuania.
> >> >> > And yes, we could afford to stay there.
> >> >> > Unlike in US, where there is no chance of staying in similar
> >> luxury.
> >> >> > The best Russians are spiritual, not materialistic.
> >> >>
> >> >> > If they are very rich they evidently do not flaunt their wealth as
> >> >> > Americans do.
> >>
> >> >> Pity about those super yachts, some of which
> >> >> are worth the best part of a billion bucks.
> >>
> >> > Putin and his mates are not crying about them.
>
> >> No point in crying, won't help a bit.
>
> > It does not look like they are asking for help!
> No point in doing that.
> > Quite the opposite. They are weathering all the sanctions.
> Bullshit they are with all the seized megayachts and funds and houses.
No doubt they feel compensated by increased security from *not* having NATO nukes five minutes away from Moscow.
> > Fact is they do not care about their foreign loot, if any.
> Must be why they moved some of them to the Maldives etc.
Lucky for Maldives.
> > Which means they are not that way corrupt,
> So those billion dollar mega yachts were
> all paid for using the piggy bank, eh ?
Which yacht belongs to Putin by registration is the question.
> > and so unlike those of the earlier Yeltsin era living abroad in luxury
> Just like most of Putin's daughters.
Such a good girl, the one who bravely took the covid vaccine Sputnik.
> > - now these are the guys who took the blows! Ironic!
> So has Putin and his earlier daughters.
Putin has lost nothing, and his daughters have no political significance.
> >> > So they do not care about those yachts.
>
> >> How odd that some of them moved them to the Maldives.
>
> > Not odd at all. Why should anyone let property get seized by hostiles?
> > As to whose yacht belong to whom, how it was acquired, that is something
> > beyond our scope.
> Wrong, as always.
Lame.
> > The property of Yeltsin era oligarchs does not bother Putin.
> But his daughters do and he cares about his loot too.
Lame. Evidently he does not care about his supposed loot, for if he did, he would not have invaded Ukraine and thus risked their loss.
So his invasion makes sense if he had nothing to lose, for he had nothing to lose.
> > He has other things to do, like get ruble payment for gas.
>
> > He is the Czar of Russia. Russia is vast. Some piddling yachts may be
> > of concern to paltry billionaires, not someone who can use the vast
> > resources of Russia.
> Putin doesn't.
Lame.
He has all the powers of the Czars and more efficient usage.
> >> > And why should they, if they did not own them.
> >> Corse they do.
> >
> > In any case, hardly matters to them. They have much more back home,
> > like the use of the vast Russian resources.
> Putin doesn't and neither do his daughters who
> aren't even in russia.
Lame.
> >> >> > Marxism was an aberration, and a curse to them.
> >> >> > As we know, Stalinists who were less atheistic
> >>
> >> >> None of them were that.
> >>
> >> >> > won over the totally atheistic Trotskyites.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> China is also now flexing muscle, whereas under President Trump
> >> >> would
> >> >> >> >> not of happened
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I agree. While Trump did arm Ukrainians, I doubt if he would have
> >> >> >> urged them on to this state. He would have reasoned with Putin and
> >> >> told
> >> >> >> him that Ukraine would remain neutral.
> >> >> >> >He might even have found a solution with Donbass, like redrawing
> >> >> >> borders, giving Crimea water, etc.
> >> >> >> >All this misery would not have happened if he had been in power..
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
> >> >> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv