On Friday, 8 April 2022 at 04:03:11 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 16:20:39 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 13:54:41 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 12:10:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 10:24:18 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 08:35:59 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
> >> >> Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
> >> >> happen,
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
> >> exactly
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> case.
> >> >> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
> >> >> >> stopped
> >> >> >> >> >> earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> NATO was not interested in paying Ukraine US$160 billion
> >> for a
> >> >> >> >> >> presence there. The EU could only offer $828 million.
> >> >> >> >> >> Russia offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
> >> >> >> natural
> >> >> >> >> >> gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled
> >> negotiations
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> >> >> the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Obama/Biden were then involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian
> >> >> >> >> President
> >> >> >> >> >> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western
> >> allies.
> >> >> >> >> >> Yushchenko was 'given Agent Orange ingredient' to poison him
> >> >> by US
> >> >> >> >> >> operatives. This left him disfigured.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk,
> >> >> suddenly
> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> >> >> >> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special
> >> >> military
> >> >> >> >> >> >> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and
> >> >> NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is
> >> >> >> fighting
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> >> the last Ukrainian.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> NATO is not involved, Ukraine weaponry is
> >> >> >> >> US/French/Australian/British
> >> >> >> >> > All NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >> supplied, plus captured Russian arms.
> >> >> >> >> >> Russia is buying American arms left by Biden from the
> >> Taliban
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> use
> >> >> >> >> >> in Ukraine
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Oh, how's it going?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals,
> >> 530
> >> >> >> >> tanks,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280
> >> howitzers,
> >> >> 82
> >> >> >> >> >> salvage
> >> >> >> >> >> >> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124
> >> >> helicopters
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> 50
> >> >> >> >> >> >> drones," he said.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
> >> >> >> >> >> >"Those figures are theirs.
> >> >> >> >> >> >We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for
> >> >> Crimea,
> >> >> >> >> >> which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy
> >> and
> >> >> air
> >> >> >> >> >> force, inflicted substantial damages to their
> >> infrastructure.
> >> >> >> >> >> >We will attain our political objectives.
> >> >> >> >> >> >Putin is our Lincoln."
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid,
> >> information,
> >> >> >> >> >> threatens and sanctions Russia.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Actually NATO is not involved, too much of Europe need
> >> Russian
> >> >> >> >> Gas/Oil
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The NATO leader is only a figurehead.
> >> >> >> >> > NATO is mostly US leadership with UK as a strong follower.
> >> >> >> >> > Biden runs NATO.
> >> >> >> >> > Europe needs Russian fossil fuel, true, and they will get
> >> nuked
> >> >> if
> >> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> >> > invade, so they are not as jumpy as US/UK.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack
> >> >> >> happened
> >> >> >> >> >> >> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected
> >> >> "president".
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the
> >> >> modern
> >> >> >> >> US,
> >> >> >> >> >> that is no longer new and fresh.
> >> >> >> >> >> >Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them
> >> old
> >> >> >> >> >> prematurely.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> America now has the same problem the Old USSR had too many
> >> >> >> bumbling
> >> >> >> >> >> crooked geriatrics running the show.
> >> >> >> >> >> When it fell Putin left his beloved Stasi team, then formed
> >> >> from
> >> >> >> his
> >> >> >> >> >> KGB mates and steal the profitable industries creating a
> >> Putin
> >> >> >> team
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> corrupt mega rich oligarch's.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > If you say so.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> <https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-mega-yachts-belonging-to-russian-oligarchs-2022-3>
> >> >> >> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/ycf7x8hj
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > My information is that the mega yacht owning oligarchs
> >> belong to
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> > sellout Yeltsin era that broke Russia, which Putin fixed.
> >> >> >> >> > The media was jumping up and down about freezing Putin's vast
> >> >> >> wealth,
> >> >> >> >> > stashed abroad.
> >> >> >> >> > Did they find a kopek or cent?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Yep, and his yacht.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > No mention of that in the hostile-to-Putin media.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> That is a lie with the BBC and our ABC.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Rubbish.
> >> >> Fact.
> >> > Heh
> >> Pathetic.
> >> >> > Had they found something Putin had stashed somewherein the West
> >> they
> >> >> > would repeat it night and day.
> >>
> >> >> Nope, they only said it the one time.
> >>
> >> > My point proven.
>
> >> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
> > No, it is very clear.
> We'll see...
> > Had they got something they would parade it night and day.
> More of your mindless bullshit.
> > While all they have got is lies,
> No lie with the seized mega yachts and money.
> > spread by liars like you.
> Listed by the BBC and our ABC in fact.
> >> >> >> >> > When I was in Moscow, staying at the best hotel there, I
> >> found
> >> >> they
> >> >> >> >> were
> >> >> >> >> > using second hand Mercedes cars renovated in Lithuania.
> >> >> >> >> > And yes, we could afford to stay there.
> >> >> >> >> > Unlike in US, where there is no chance of staying in similar
> >> >> >> luxury.
> >> >> >> >> > The best Russians are spiritual, not materialistic.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > If they are very rich they evidently do not flaunt their
> >> wealth
> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> > Americans do.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Pity about those super yachts, some of which
> >> >> >> >> are worth the best part of a billion bucks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Putin and his mates are not crying about them.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> No point in crying, won't help a bit.
> >> >>
> >> >> > It does not look like they are asking for help!
> >> >> No point in doing that.
> >> >> > Quite the opposite. They are weathering all the sanctions.
> >> >> Bullshit they are with all the seized megayachts and funds and
> >> houses.
> >> > No doubt they feel compensated by increased security from*not* having
> >> > NATO nukes five minutes away from Moscow.
> >> There are no NATO nukes in Poland and it is a lot closer to Moscow.
> >> >> > Fact is they do not care about their foreign loot, if any.
> >>
> >> >> Must be why they moved some of them to the Maldives etc.
> >>
> >> > Lucky for Maldives.
> >> Pathetic.
> >> >> > Which means they are not that way corrupt,
> >>
> >> >> So those billion dollar mega yachts were
> >> >> all paid for using the piggy bank, eh ?
> >>
> >> > Which yacht belongs to Putin by registration is the question.
> >> Nope, registration is irrelevant. It is obvious who uses and owns it.
>
> > No, registration is highly relevant, for showing ownership.
> > True everywhere.
> That is complete and utter pig ignorant bullshit with the
> stinking rich who hide their assets from the tax man.
Irrelevant, fool.
>
> So who do you claim actually owns those billion
> dollar mega yachts, the tooth fairy or Santa ?
> >> >> > and so unlike those of the earlier Yeltsin era living abroad in
> >> luxury
> >>
> >> >> Just like most of Putin's daughters.
> >>
> >> > Such a good girl, the one who bravely took the covid vaccine Sputnik..
>
> >> Pathetic.
>
> > Yes, that is what you are.
> Even more pathetic than you usually manage.
Shut up, creep.
> >> >> > - now these are the guys who took the blows! Ironic!
> >>
> >> >> So has Putin and his earlier daughters.
> >>
> >> > Putin has lost nothing,
> >> Bullshit. He doesn't even get to visit the west anymore.
>
> > My, my. What a loss!
> Clearly is if he wants to visit his kids.
His kids can come to him.
>
> > Well, he has got enough in Russia, fromhis post, so why should he
> > bother.
>
> Gets a bit boring only being able to go to his dacha, stupid.
Creep, he despises you lot, so no loss for him
> > Not as if he is a compulsive gambler or shopper or druggie or something
> > like that.
> Gets a bit boring only being able to go to his dacha, stupid.
Creep he despises you lot, so he won't bother.
> >> > and his daughters have no political significance.
> >> Irrelevant.
> >> >> >> > So they do not care about those yachts.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> How odd that some of them moved them to the Maldives.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Not odd at all. Why should anyone let property get seized by
> >> hostiles?
> >> >> > As to whose yacht belong to whom, how it was acquired, that is
> >> >> something
> >> >> > beyond our scope.
> >> >> Wrong, as always.
> >> > Lame.
> >> Pathetic.
>
> > yes, that you are.
> Even more pathetic than you usually manage.
Shut up, creep.

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