On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 05:19:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:20:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:39:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:34:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:44:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>> happen, was
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>>> or Japan.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that
>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a sect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>>>>> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is
>>>>>>>>>> tension.
>>>>>>>>>> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say
>>>>>>>>>> off-hand
>>>>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>>>>> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions
>>>>>>>>>> evil.
>>>>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far.
>>>>>>>>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever
>>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>>>>> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or
>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower
>>>>>>>>> classes
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>>>>>>>>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and
>>>>>>>>> dictatorship
>>>>>>>>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship
>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>> fast
>>>>>>>>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>>>>> >They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>>>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather
>>>>>>>>>> disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get
>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>>>>> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> his hotels.
>>>>>>>>>> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken
>>>>>>>>>> over -
>>>>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>>>>> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>>>>> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war
>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>>>>>>>>>> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> nukes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chances of WW3 is now less.
>>>>>>>>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse
>>>>>>>>> viruses that could be set loose.
>>>>>>>>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is
>>>>>>>>> backed
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> my experience while touring Russia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Russia doesn't have a free press.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It never has had.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>>>>>>>> you 15 years in jail or killed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit with that woman
>>>>>>> who held up a placard behind the news reader.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are a Putin lover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong, as always. I think that Putin is a psychopath
>>>>> and total arsehole who has those he decides are his
>>>>> enemys murdered, has just invaded the Ukraine and who
>>>>> gets no say on what the Ukraine does EU and NATO wise.
>>>
>>>> No you are a Putin lover and desire the atheist State called the
>>>> USSR back.
>>>
>>> Prove it, fuckwit child.
>>
>> Your words do,
>
>You never could bullshit and lie your way out of
>a wet paper bag, you stupid drug crazed drunken
>lying arsehole fuckwit.

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