On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 08:42:56 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 04:23:39 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> >> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> >> >> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
> >> >> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> >> >> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> >> >> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
> >> >> >> >They are religious nationalists.
> >> >> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No. I don't think so.
> >> >> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
> >> >
> >> >I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.
> >> I don't have a sect.
> >You are not important. What you personally think is irrelevant. I was referring to the US sects, which is what I took you to represent. Unimportant and useless people can be representatives.
> What do you believe is a 'sect' what are they called?
> >> >> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
> >> >> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
> >> >> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
> >> >> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
> >> >> They are evil and should be destroyed.
> >> >
> >> >You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far. Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
> >> >
> >> >> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
> >> >> >> Not in ethics.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
> >> >> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
> >> >> Nope.
> >> >
> >> >They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
> >> >They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite fast
> >> >Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith such as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
> >> >
> >> >> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
> >> >> >They are not Indian yet!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
> >> >> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
> >> >> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
> >> >> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
> >> >> >> >> pocket?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
> >> >> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
> >> >> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
> >> >> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
> >> >> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
> >> >> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
> >> >> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
> >> >> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?
> >> >
> >> >> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
> >> >> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
> >> >
> >> >I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get nukes.
> >> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave them
> >> up.
> >> > Chances of WW3 is now less.
> >> >It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens will not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse viruses that could be set loose.
> >> >Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed by my experience while touring Russia.
> >> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar. Russia
> >> doesn't have a free press. Then again to disagree with Putin will get
> >> you 15 years in jail or killed.
> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
> >A fine system, far better than US.
> No.
Yes, to thirdworlders.