On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 18:11:28 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 17 April 2022 at 03:14:46 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 03:36:14 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 02:28:54 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
> >> >> >> >> >> Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.
> >> >> >> >> >In times of war opposition is not allowed anywhere.
> >> >> >> >> But that Putin doesn't even want it called a war. Putin is an idiot
> >> >> >> >> and true pure evil. Putin also said the war was because Ukraine was
> >> >> >> >> Nazi. They have a Jew as president. It is Putin that is like the
> >> >> >> >> Nazis and a true idiot.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >No, Putin says that if Ukraine joined NATO it could not be invaded.
> >> >> >> Well would have made it much harder.
> >> >> >Impossibly one-sided without nuclear exchange. Putin knew that Ukraine would be lost if it joined NATO. So he invaded before they could join NATO.
> >> >> >> >So he has to make a pre-emptive move, calls in special operations.
> >> >> >> Putin, is an idiot and so much like the old USSR, I also believe he
> >> >> >> like Biden might have dementia.
> >> >> >Wrong. From his videos giving press conferences he appears highly intelligent, aware and capable. Does not read out from a screen, gives good replies.
> >> >> >> >Zelensky is a US puppet, serving western interests.
> >> >> >> Not really. Do you believe wanting to be independent of Russian
> >> >> >> control to be only "western interests"? There is China if Putin
> >> >> >> wants a good ass kicking.
> >> >> >Zelensky was not under Russian control.
> >> >> >He was and is under western control. '
> >> >> >> >Those grabbing interests were foiled by Putin, so there is much squealing in the western media.
> >> >> >> No, it is the murders and war crimes that is causing that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Who knows who did what crime.
> >> >> I know, I know if it isn't from Russian State television it is fake
> >> >> news all those videos are fake.
> >> >Who knows. All I know is that the West is fighting a proxy war with Russia, to the last Ukrainian.
> >> Tell me, is Putin telling the mothers of those kids killed that
> >> they have died or is he afraid, too.
> >> >> >All I know is that Biden wants Putin out, for that is what he said - as having a more pliant chap like Zelensky in Moscow would help the West in the never-ending grab that reached its height after the break-up of USSR. Which Putin fixed.
> >> >> Putin is a freak.
> >> >Well he could look that way to those wanting drunken swine in charge of Russia, the whole lot being corrupt to their cores.
> >> >That I agree to.
> >>
> >> >Actually I think I know Putin well, for in my childhood I grew up among would-be Putins. It was unique, no doubt. No other Indian boy had such an experience.
> >> >That way, I am certainly freakish to the likes of you. Very different we are, certainly.
> >> Yes, and the sooner Putin dies, the better for the free world. Are
> >> you Sudras or Untouchable? I'm betting Sudras wants to be like Putin,
> >> who if of India would be an Untouchable.
> >
> >What free world? What on earth makes you think you are free? You USAns are only free to pollute the earth and proclaim you are the greatest!
> >Very many are in jail, not free at all, and the rest are fat, sad, mad and bad.
> Indian Police Arrest 4 Men Accused of ‘Gang Raping’ Bengal Monitor
> Lizard
> https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/04/14/indian-police-arrest-4-men-accused-gang-raping-bengal-monitor-lizard/
> >
> >> >> >> >The Russians call thieves Nazis. Nazis stole the amber panels from the winter palace, and that seemed to bother our Russian guide the most for they have not yet been recovered.
> >> >> >> How will he take back say Poland? USSR failed and many found
> >> >> >> freedom so much better than any form of communism or tyranny.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Russians think Ukraine belongs to them.
> >> >> It doesn't.
> >> >
> >> >Nor does Tibet to China that way, or Israel to European Jews.
> >> You forgot the Palestinians to Israel.
> >> >Might makes right, what?
> >> >The American way, no?
> >> Tell Putin he thought he had the might turns out he and his are
> >> wimps.
> >
> >No, they are just not killing as indiscriminately and massively as USAns do, so they are retreating strategically finding that there are superior weapons against them.
> >I do not think they will give up. They will stay for years if necessary.
> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/over-900-civilians-dead-around-kyiv-russia-vows-new-attacks/articleshow/90872872.cms
> >> >
> >> >> >Poland was an enemy for centuries, and a reluctant part of Warsaw Pact. Again it is an enemy to Russia. Quite historic, their animosity. Sad. They should learn to be good friends, both are wonderful in their own ways..
> >> >> Do you still believe that the Ukrainians would be waiting with open
> >> >> arms for you and Putin? They kicked your army's ass.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, they were provided with neat weapons but they fought in the cities.
> >> In part.
> >
> >In the East they are dug in, so difficult to dislodge. The attack from the North helped to draw out some of them and that lead to land gain, principally from Crimea to the Donbass. Keeping that is the political goal, I think.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, you did
> >> >> attack civilians, but how else can the cowardly Russian armed forces
> >> >> act the Ukrainian armed forces, even with fewer arms kicked Russia's
> >> >> ass big time.
> >> >
> >> >But Russia got what Russia wanted, and that is what matters.
> >> To you maybe. It isn't over yet. USA is returning jobs to USA and
> >> that will hurt China as they have shown they support Putin and his
> >> ways, Support genocide buy "Made in China".
> >> >
> >> >> They even sunk some of your ships.
> >> >
> >> >True.
> >> Hopefully, many more to come.
> >
> >Hopefully, the war will stop with partition of Ukraine.
> Doubt it.

They should have done it peacefully, as in Czechoslovakia.
Now that was a great example, and not far away either.
But did they follow it?
> >
> >> >> >It is US that is a tyrannical monster: full of lies, violence, greed, selfishness, meanness, lechery, pollution, jails, casinos, racism, bigotry etc.
> >> >> >Its tyranny lies in inflicting its vile culture or lack of it upon unsuspecting outsiders.
> >> >> >Russia is much more positive.
> >> >> Almost choked on that bit of propaganda. What do you think of
> >> >> Australia?

It was a UK colony and is now a US+UK colony. Not a Switzerland!
There was that dechucka guy here who was the perfect rep.
> >> >More to the point, what do Australians think of US?
> >
> >> I trained with their military and they think well of the USA. The
> >> government may be taking a glass-half-full approach. They dislike
> >> China and China's support of Putin's genocide isn't helping there. The
> >> Marxists never liked the USA and don't really matter.
> >
> >There were massive rallies against Australian involvement in Iraq.
> I was against that war also.

I am sure there are Ukrainians who want peace, but they are not represented as they have a US puppet imposed upon them.

> >> >> >> >> >> >And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
> >> >> >> >> >> Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.
> >> >> >> >> >No, so long as you are not treacherous as his opposition usually are, being the tools of the West.
> >> >> >> >> Telling people there is a war and wanting peace is so very
> >> >> >> >> treacherous and worthy of 15 years in jail to that freak Putin.
> >> >> >> >It is a war for peace and security.
> >> >> >> >Not wanting NATO nukes pointed at your belly is an idea supported by most Russians.
> >> >> >> >> >> >A fine system, far better than US.
> >> >> >> >> >> No.
> >> >> >> >> >Yes, to thirdworlders.
> >> >> >> >> Third-world countries like Russia.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Correct, first time! Congratulations.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Fuck Russia, it is a backward
> >> >> >> >> sewer, well, those that support Putin are shit. Wait, not a sewer
> >> >> >> >> that is too advanced, just an outhouse.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Russia gives; US takes!
> >> >> >> How did the US "take" and what?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >From India US took the top talent for generations, now. Used them for economic gain.
> >> >> Took them? Maybe they paid then and treated them better. Doubt
> >> >> they were abducted. Maybe if India wasn't such a shit hole country
> >> >> they would have stayed.
> >> >
> >> >Of course they took them with bribes. India suffers accordingly.
> >> Well, do you believe they should have been forced to stay as Putin
> >> would have done to his people?
> >> >Singapore and China did not have this loss, so they prosper much better.
> >> China is communist, so the people may not have had choices.
> >> Singapore prospers because they have a high-tech industrial base and a
> >> good military. They are also smart in walking the fine line between
> >> Beijing and the US. Getting the best from both relationships.
> >> >
> >> >> >From Ukraine it took away peace and whatever wits they had by placing a puppet in charge.
> >> >
> >> >> That was a elected leader. Well liked by the majority of the
> >> >> people. How long has it been since Russia had a free and open
> >> >> elections?

From what I hear, some 4 years ago when Putin was re-elected.
> >> >
> >> >Then if not a puppet - which he is - he is certainly the stupidest leader of our time, to have wrecked his country by believing in US promises.
> >> Then you believe he should have just surrendered to all Putin's
> >> demands?
> >
> >To reasonable demands, yes.
> Well of China wants part of OZ will you say the same?

If we sell well, why not? They already have lots of Oz property.

> > Became a puppet state for Putin, and gave up what the EU
> >> could give culturally?

What culture? If the EU is that good whey did UK leave?
Will they want destroyed states like Ukraine to join?
They did not want Turkey.
If Ukraine got partitioned peacefully they would have got a good chance to join.
> >
> >He could have done an India, got non-aligned, and benefited like India did from both sides.