On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:42:25 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:13:36 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>On 10/4/2022 10:06 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 03:47:58 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thinking of building a new PC. It's many years since I made the one
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> using now.. http://www.auslink.info/pc so I'm looking for better
>>>>>>>> performance. (download speccy free to view if you don't already have
>>>>>>>> it.. http://www.https://www.ccleaner.com/speccy ) I'm totally out of
>>>>>>>> touch with the latest technology, so I'm wondering what ppl recommend?
>>>>>>>> should I go AMD or Intel? I will use my existing HD and anything else
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can from my current PC. I probably wont be able to use the RAM I
>>>>>>>> guess,
>>>>>>>> but maybe I can use the video card, and power supply, etc.,. I'll be
>>>>>>>> working on a budget as I don't have a lot to spend on this exercise.
>>>>>>>> I've started looking and found this so far..
>>>>>>>> https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/motherboards/amd-socket-am4/73630-ga-b450m-ds3h
>>>>>>>> .. but then what processor should I get, RAM, etc., ? TIA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Touchscreen
>>>>>>> <https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-pavilion-all-in-one-27-d0255xt-8aj56av-1>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycfnuc2g
>>>>>>> HP Pavilion All-in-One - 27-d0255xt
>>>>>>> Windows 11 Home
>>>>>>> Intel® Core™ i5-10400T (2.0 GHz up to 3.6 GHz, 12 MB L3 cache, 6
>>>>>>> cores)
>>>>>>> 8 GB DDR4-2666 SDRAM (2 X 4 GB)
>>>>>> Nothing like enough ram.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8 gigs is plenty for most people.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on how you use it.
>>>>
>>> Times have changed don't see gigs being that important any more.
>>> Better to upgrade the processor I believe?
>>
>>Faster processor, faster RAM and faster storage (SSD, M2 or NVME) and
>>you have a faster beast. I use more than 8 Gig of RAM because I run
>>virtual machines. Virtual machines can really suck up the processor
>>power and fill up RAM to overflowing. 16 Gig would be *my* minimum and
>>my Mac Pro has 32 Gig and my Mac mini has 8 Gig. 8 Gig simply isn't
>>enough. YMMV.
>>
>>Best to try faster RAM and a SSD first. No point having a faster
>>processor if your RAM or HDD is the bottleneck. A new motherboard,
>>carefully chosen, can get you faster peripheral interfaces like 6Gbps
>>SATA HDDs/SSDs, NVME, USB 3.x, USB-C and Thunderbolt and, most
>>importantly, the latest RAM types and speeds. Note too that a
>>motherboard can be a bottleneck for a faster CPU as well. No point
>>buying a nice new 6Gbps SATA SSD if you don't have 6Gbps SATA ports on
>>the motherboard. Some new motherboards have spots for NVME drives built
>>in. A fast interface right where it is needed - on the motherboard.
>>
>>As an example, my nephew is wanting to build his own computer for gaming
>>with his friends. Here is his parts pick thus far;
>>
>>AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor $314.00
>>MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard $148.77
>>Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $105.00
>>Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $123.77
>>ASRock Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Challenger D Video Card $479.00
>>NZXT H510 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case $109.00
>>MSI MPG A-GF 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $99
>>
>>Whilst I'm not a fan of AMD CPUs, the gamers seem to love them. The
>>above components seem to work well as a budget gaming computer according
>>to reviews. You'll note he's opted for 16 GB (2 x 8) of DDR4 RAM from
>>the get go. That still leaves him with the ability to later upgrade to
>>32 GB RAM by adding two more sticks. We have had discussions about
>>features, and restrictions, he needs to be aware of and has now slightly
>>modified his pick and selected an appropriate monitor as well. Of course
>>he won't buy everything all at once as he needs to save up but research
>>into what fits his needs is his current focus.
>>
>For unique purpose I would say you are maybe right.
>SSD's are getting cheaper and have to wonder how much faster RAM is to
>SSD speed?
>
>The other thing is what it will cost to build a computer verses buying
>one with same specs?
>Not sure about WIN 11 but WIN 10 uses hard drive to suplement RAM and
>hard drives are much faster now!
>
>The HP Tough screen offers $180 extra for 1TB
>1 TB PCIe® NVMe™ TLC M.2 SSD + $180.00
>
>https://tinyurl.com/y788ho59
>with 1 TB SSD it will cost $1100 instead of $900

I did add upp the cost of nephew building his own without monitor it
comes to $1,379
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