On 23/11/2021 10:53 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 9:26 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty much
>>>> everything.
>>>
>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>> slightest bit different :)
>>
>> **I don't know.
>
> Of *course* you don't. That's because you have your head up your Labor
> Party supporting arse :)

**No. Albo has never been PM. No one knew just how bad Scummo would be,
until he started doing the job either. We know just how incompetent he
is now though.

>
>> Albo is not the PM.
>
> He doesn't need to be. He's been Deputy PM, and shown everyone how full
> of shit he can be in that role.

**Again: Albo has never been PM.

>
>> The PM is a proven liar of considerable scale.
>
> *All* politicians are liars Trevor. Being Prime Minister does not
> absolve anyone of that duty.

**Sure, most pollies do lie, but Scummo has taken that to a whole new
level.

>
>> That said, the most serious problem afflicting Scummo is his clear
>> inability to do the job. He is an utter incompetent, totally twisted
>> in his drive to deal with religious bullshit, rather than the
>> important stuff. Like a Federal ICAC, for instance. Instead, Scummo is
>> desperately trying to ensure that religious groups can discriminate
>> against normal people.
>
> Is he? And how is he doing that?

**
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberal-mps-express-concern-over-religious-freedom-bill-20211123-p59bcw.html

>
>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon tax
>>> under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>
>> **Yeah, keep beating that dead horse.
>
> It's not a "dead horse" Trev.

**Yes, it is. YOUR words:

"*All* politicians are liars Trevor." You've established that ALL
politicians lie and that Julia Gillard told ONE. Scummo, OTOH:

https://www.crikey.com.au/dossier-of-lies-and-falsehoods/

And many of those are seriously bad porkies.

It was one of the most blatant lies in
> Australian political history,

**Nope. It was a really dumb thing to say though. Here are some of the
more egregious lies told by YOUR heroes:

John Howard:

https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id:%22library/partypol/EZID6%22

Tony Abbott:

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott-lies-to-the-nation-to-the-end-65-of-the-worst,8164

There's lots more of course.

and it's also one that you're prepared to
> quite happily sweep under the carpet and ignore because you like the
> idiot who gave birth to it.

**Julia Gillard an "idiot"? I've heard her called many things, but never
an idiot.

If you had any scruples at all you should be
> just as critical of that as anything Morrison or anyone else has done,
> but you're clearly not and you don't need to be Einstein to work out why
> that is.

**I'll say it once more: When Julia Gillard said that she would never
introduce a carbon tax, she said a really dumb thing.

>
> Let me give you a free tip: People like you who excuse certain behavior
> on one side of the fence while admonishing those on the other for doing
> *exactly* the same thing don't paint themselves up as being particularly
> well grounded :)
>
>> Gillard was a thousand times more honest and decent and talented,
>> compared to Scummo.
>
> Bwahahahahahahaha :)
>
> You're a card :)

**You've dredged up ONE, stupid, statement made by Julia Gillard. ONE.
Contrast that with your hero, Scummo, who lies as easily as he breathes.

>
>> Gillard got stuff done. All Scummo has manged is to bury 'Sports
>> Rorts', car parks that don't get built, failed to give us a Federal
>> ICAC, despite 3 years of obfuscating, etc, etc. Scummo is an idiot and
>> WAY out of his depth.
>
> Oh yeah. She was *so* successful in her role that she almost sent the
> Labor party to political oblivion,

**Nope. Your revisionist history aside, that was all the work of that
religious loon, Rudd. Rudd, almost single-handedly, destroyed Labor's
chances at successive elections.

and if it hadn't been for Kevin Rudd
> taking back the reigns and making a miraculous recovery the Labor Party
> wouldn't exist today.

**Rudd was the problem, not the solution.

>
> No doubt about it. She was fantastic. A fantastic failure.

**Nonsense:

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott-lies-to-the-nation-to-the-end-65-of-the-worst,8164

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/history-may-be-kinder-to-julia-gillard-20200622-p554tp

Of course the child abusers will not be happy with Ms Gillard, nor the
Catholics. She made our society a better place. You can't say that about
Abbott or Scummo. Neither leader has done anything much of consequence.
Unless you like the idea of Knights and Dames. Personally, I reckon such
honours are just daft, but I accept that you may dispute that.

>
>>> Yeah, well, we all know how much of a die hard fanatical Labor
>>> supporter you are :)
>>
>> **Here's the thing: I'm not a Labor supporter. I haven't been for
>> decades. Labor are idiots, for dumping Gillard, in the same way that
>> the LIbs are idiots for dumping Hewson and Turnbull.
>
> Bullshit Trev.

**Nope. The Libs WERE idiots for dumping Hewson and Turnbull. You can
embrace Scummo and Abbott all you like. Both are idiots.

You're as mad a Labor stooge as that "Licensed" fuckwit
> from WA who thinks the plastic in laminated glass goes on the outside :)
>
>>> Here's something to ponder Trev. We've just gone through 18 months+
>>> of lockdowns which have been devastating in more ways than one. Yet
>>> the economy is in good shape, unemployment is at record lows, the
>>> housing market is booming and unlike most other countries we
>>> *haven't* had thousands of Covid casualties.
>>
>> **Why do you think that an economy that is built on booming house
>> prices is a good thing?
>
> Two things here Trev. Firstly, I never said the economy was built on
> booming house prices,

**You equated a booming economy with a booming housing market. You're an
idiot for making such a claim. A booming housing market indicates
serious problems. VERY serious problems.

and you need to brush up on your language skills
> as you clearly have some difficultly with basic comment. Secondly,
> You've got things arse about. The strength of the economy drives
> property values. Not the other way around.

**Wrong. The housing market is driven by several factors, including:

* Housing stock.
* Population growth.
* Interest rates.
* Government interference.
* FOMO.

NOTHING to do with the strength of the economy. Presently we have:

* Insufficient housing stock. (sends prices up)
* Low population growth. (sends prices down)
* Low interest rates. (sends prices up)
* Massive government interference. (sends prices up)
* Massive FOMO. (Sends prices up)

Scummo has deliberately interfered with the market and caused prices to
rise. Housing stock, interest rates and FOMO are outside the ability of
government to control, yet Scummo made the wrong decision anyway. He is
an economic idiot. Yet you still support him.

>
>> Take your time in answering and explain why, using your vast economic
>> knowledge. You will be shot down in flames.
>
> ROTFL :) Trevor, you've already demonstrated that your understanding of
> economic matters is about as balanced as your view of political leaders :)

**Unlike you, I have actually studied economics. Labor and the COALition
have made economic blunders over the years. Scummo is just the present
leader making the blunders. Like him or not, Shorten presented some
really good economic policy at the last election. Of course, economic
morons, like you, fail to appreciate those good policies.

>
>> As for COVID deaths, that is down to the states. NOTHING to do with
>> the Feds.
>
> To a degree, but not entirely.

**Let call it:

States - 90%
Feds - 10%

The feds are the ones who control the
> borders and who administer the vaccines. It's a joint effort, and any
> one would fail without help from the other

**Like the numpties who allowed the Ruby Princess to land without going
through quarantine.

>
>> Scummo has been bleating about opening up since day one. The states
>> refused.
>
> More bullshit from you :)

**Nup. Scummo has been hammering the opening up since day one. The
states refused to comply.

>
>>> If Labor was in office, I'd bet my left nut that you would happily
>>> put all that down to their fantastic management :)
>>
>> **Nope. The states are the ones to tank for the great COVID-19
>> response. Both Labor AND Liberal states. They've all done a great job.
>> That and, of course, the relative isolation inherent to our nation.
>> NSW had a better response to COVID than Victoria, due our superior
>> tack and trace system.
>
> No they didn't :)
>
> NSW had a *far* more lax system than Victoria ever did, and the current
> Delta outbreak that's been going on down here in Vic for the last few
> months is 100% a result of NSW's totally inadequate control measures.
> For fuck's sake NSW didn't even mandate masks in public.

**Oh, I agree that the idiots in NSW allowed Delta in.

>
> The "Gold Standard" NSW contact tracing system that Morrison publicly
> bleated about turned out to be "K-mart" standard and failed miserably
> once the pressure was on :)

**NSW track and trace worked well until Delta.

>
>> That was down to our LIBERAL government.
>
> Yes it was. The total fuckup that led to both NSW and Victoria being
> swamped with the Delta variant was entirely due to the inadequacies of
> Gladys and her incompetent crew.

**Her crew was not incompetent, but she and her government made some big
mistakes.

>
>> The NSW state Labor party has been fucked for years. And, like many
>> pollies, I didn't like some of the stuff Gladys did, but I would never
>> dispute that she worked very hard for NSW. She made one, VERY BIG,
>> mistake.
>
> She made lots, and not the least of which was being completely corrupt.

**Pretty much standard for NSW pollies. They're all crooks.

>
> Innocent people don't resign ahead of an inquiry :)

**Oh, she is guilty. No doubt about. However, I was discussing her work
ethic.

>
>> Scummo is a completely different animal. Scummo cares about one thing
>> and one thing only: Scummo. Nothing else matters to that fucking idiot.
>
> Take out "Summo" and insert whatever name you like and you've just
> described every other politician in the country, if not the world. If
> you genuinely think that any of them are in it for *anything* other than
> themselves then you are naive beyond belief.

**Oh, there have been exceptions. Few and far between though. Gillard
was one.